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Leviticus969



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Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions
#22084077 - 08/12/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Title says it all. I've narrowed down some factors but was wondering what you guys think.
Thanks in advance...
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: Leviticus969]
#22084099 - 08/13/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: taGyo] 1
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: cronicr]
#22084210 - 08/13/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm just going to conclude its a lighting issue.
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: Leviticus969]
#22084216 - 08/13/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: cronicr] 1
#22084240 - 08/13/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would say the top causes of mushrooms growing in random directions are:
a. Light source(s)
b. surface area of substrate facing in random directions, in places where mushrooms would like to grow
c. mushrooms make you gay
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: Inocuole]
#22084278 - 08/13/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol... Well my fruiting chamber has very little to no fae and light so it's either or.
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: Leviticus969]
#22084287 - 08/13/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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got a pic? but there tropic response's are indeed the cause
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: cronicr]
#22084357 - 08/13/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah... It has to be the light since fruits are growin to the side where the walls of the tote have indirect lighting
Oh and btw... Does this strain look familiar to any of you guys?
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: Leviticus969]
#22084390 - 08/13/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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6Silent9Knight6 said: my fruiting chamber has very little to no fae and light
The absence of either will cause your fruits to stretch in weird directions.
Also that strain could be anything, looks like a regular cube, but it would be easier to tell if they were getting light and FAE.
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: Inocuole]
#22084392 - 08/13/15 01:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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 thehy will try find a good place to blow there spores
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: cronicr]
#22084466 - 08/13/15 01:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Neat lookin fruits cron 
Oh and let me guess the strain... Gay white cubes?
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: Leviticus969]
#22084483 - 08/13/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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those were starving for air
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: Leviticus969]
#22084485 - 08/13/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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6Silent9Knight6 said: Neat lookin fruits cron 
Oh and let me guess the strain... Gay white cubes? 
They aren't true gay white cubes, they're actually just metrosexual.
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: Inocuole] 1
#22084769 - 08/13/15 04:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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air movement, gravity and light play together.
if your surface is uneven so is the air rising and evap from it.
like in nature with mountains the higher parts of the terrain have thermals that rise and this entrains airflow to these points, most air leaves contact with the sub at the high points of the sub.
part of the reason i believe a flat surface gives better pinsets! as it equals the evap and air flow over it by removing thermals at the high points.
how these thermals affect growth direction is..
mushrooms always grow with their stipe faced into the direction of the air currents.( for effective spore dispersal later)
when a mushroom is near a hole in a tub it sometimes grows towards it at an angle, this is not searching for fresh air it is as the fruit is being confused with tropisms and is it altering its growth direction to suit the air flow that is greater near the hole:)
you can do the same with a fan.
around the time of spore drop a re curviture happens using gravity and light to ensure caps face the correct way for best spore delivery. and cap shapes entrain the currents around and under the cap for this reason.
and is the reason different mushrooms have different cap shapes. i.e to suit the enviroment they grow and to ensure efficient spore delivery.
if any stimuli is missing then the responsability shifts too the remaining stimuli.
i.e if no light or wind they use gravity and grow straight up. if no gravity they use light and wind if no wind they use gravity and light if no wind or gravity they use light if no light or gravity they use wind ect
just like us if 1 or more sense is lost the others grow or become more responsible to suit. the responsability shift if it has to for survival.
all living things do this plants or animal or fungi. the same happens with all biological systems. actually even computer browsers copy this all the time with there self correcting error codes. virtually the computer version of a biological system imo
in fungi even pinning is governed by such things and it is a mix of stimuli that create the effect. and if any are missing or inadequet then they rely on the others left to survive.
thats why myc will pin without FAE in high co2 and only light as a trigger. or in total darkness if they have too
like with jars knotting, petris pinning and monotubs knotting and pinning before fae is given and only light is recieved in this case light is enough to trigger the progression into fruiting and hyphal knots can and will form, sometimes even a pin or 2. light if use right can and will trigger hyphal knots after colonization if employed right.
they all will pin if they have to without all the main fruiting parameters set!
1 is enough if it is the only 1 they will rely on this 1 trigger to survive! to get best effects you use a balance of stimuli/triggers.
you can even use this to better your pinsets. if you expose you monotubs to direct light after colonization and wait till it knots. then apply a late casing after these knots or first pin appears and then induce FAE. what happens is the late casing never colonises at all and the knots the light created before now have perfect conditions right where you want it, at the surface because of the casing.
the humidity of the air between the casing creates the perfect conditions to allow these knots to go on to form pins ect.
only other person i know who uses this tek is fahtster! both us used it for years and it works! took me years to find someone who uses and understands my technique lol
if you understand all the systems you can cheat the myc to do what you want! first understand the reactions and swapping of stimuli, then you can utilise these effects in your growing!!
try it yourself it works or search fahtsters late casing tek.
we both used it for year and years and it works and improves pinsets. also look into psuedo casings and fahts laying/spawning tek.
the results speak for themselves. i dont care what others say, i trust results and science and i have seen the effect first had lots of times and yes light if used right will start the fruiting cycle off before FAE ect leading to better and faster pinsets!!
its all about how you use the mycs natural systems and abuse them. almost forced fruiting
i use fahts tek but adjusted to my own ways, but the reasoning is the same, from how and why you lay the spawn to the method of late casing. and i use direct 2000 lux + light at surface to trigger the hormonal response in the myc to make knots before casing and setting the main triggers.
you see my fruiting cycle starts way before main triggers are set or casing is applied!
it starts when the knots form caused by light and 100% colonized!! then i knock over the dominoes i have conveniently set up.
and the chain reaction begins and i just ride the wave lol
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7708447
learn the tek and your pinsets will improve and your tubs need less maintenance and you will be controlling all aspects of the grow rather than just watching the myc do its thing.
it takes it one step further and puts you in the driving seat and tbh contams are less of a problem as the 3 flushes i aim for are over fast with little lag at the start or between flushes and i dont need to rehydrate hardly ever as the casing is not sat around! within days its a empty tub to a full one, then a little misting and go again.
Edited by mustangbob3 (08/13/15 04:24 AM)
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: Leviticus969]
#22084803 - 08/13/15 04:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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6Silent9Knight6 said:

Yeah... It has to be the light since fruits are growin to the side where the walls of the tote have indirect lighting
can I ask why you've made this chamber?
read this tek on how to create a much nicer environment for your little babies, you'll get a better harvest

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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: keeno] 1
#22084856 - 08/13/15 04:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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maybe he's concerned about bad trip genetics finding their way into the tub and do the anastomosis dance?
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: keeno]
#22085002 - 08/13/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Reason I have the chamber like that is cuz the damn lil fruit flies or fungas gnats are always gettin into my shit.
Anyways, I fan the crap out of it any chance I get. I'm still really convinced it's just a lighting issue . Reason why many others use a black bag on the bottom of their monos to avoid getting side pins and to promote the shrooms to grow vertically only. But it could be fae also.
just wanted to get a clone and print from this run without the flies. This is the first flush but for the second I will expose them to open air and more lighting since I dont care for flushes after. Cool.
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: Leviticus969]
#22085357 - 08/13/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ah fairy muff... i got the gnats too, not sure how to get the fuckers...
anyone else?
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: keeno]
#22085520 - 08/13/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd make a few 2 - 3 inch holes and stuff em with polyfill. Didn't do that here cuz lazy.
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: Leviticus969]
#22085602 - 08/13/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i'd say your small caps were sue to lighting.....
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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: mustangbob3]
#22085674 - 08/13/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said: air movement, gravity and light play together.
if your surface is uneven so is the air rising and evap from it.
like in nature with mountains the higher parts of the terrain have thermals that rise and this entrains airflow to these points, most air leaves contact with the sub at the high points of the sub.
part of the reason i believe a flat surface gives better pinsets! as it equals the evap and air flow over it by removing thermals at the high points.
how these thermals affect growth direction is..
mushrooms always grow with their stipe faced into the direction of the air currents.( for effective spore dispersal later)
when a mushroom is near a hole in a tub it sometimes grows towards it at an angle, this is not searching for fresh air it is as the fruit is being confused with tropisms and is it altering its growth direction to suit the air flow that is greater near the hole:)
you can do the same with a fan.
around the time of spore drop a re curviture happens using gravity and light to ensure caps face the correct way for best spore delivery. and cap shapes entrain the currents around and under the cap for this reason.
and is the reason different mushrooms have different cap shapes. i.e to suit the enviroment they grow and to ensure efficient spore delivery.
if any stimuli is missing then the responsability shifts too the remaining stimuli.
i.e if no light or wind they use gravity and grow straight up. if no gravity they use light and wind if no wind they use gravity and light if no wind or gravity they use light if no light or gravity they use wind ect
just like us if 1 or more sense is lost the others grow or become more responsible to suit. the responsability shift if it has to for survival.
all living things do this plants or animal or fungi. the same happens with all biological systems. actually even computer browsers copy this all the time with there self correcting error codes. virtually the computer version of a biological system imo
in fungi even pinning is governed by such things and it is a mix of stimuli that create the effect. and if any are missing or inadequet then they rely on the others left to survive.
thats why myc will pin without FAE in high co2 and only light as a trigger. or in total darkness if they have too
like with jars knotting, petris pinning and monotubs knotting and pinning before fae is given and only light is recieved in this case light is enough to trigger the progression into fruiting and hyphal knots can and will form, sometimes even a pin or 2. light if use right can and will trigger hyphal knots after colonization if employed right.
they all will pin if they have to without all the main fruiting parameters set!
1 is enough if it is the only 1 they will rely on this 1 trigger to survive! to get best effects you use a balance of stimuli/triggers.
you can even use this to better your pinsets. if you expose you monotubs to direct light after colonization and wait till it knots. then apply a late casing after these knots or first pin appears and then induce FAE. what happens is the late casing never colonises at all and the knots the light created before now have perfect conditions right where you want it, at the surface because of the casing.
the humidity of the air between the casing creates the perfect conditions to allow these knots to go on to form pins ect.
only other person i know who uses this tek is fahtster! both us used it for years and it works! took me years to find someone who uses and understands my technique lol
if you understand all the systems you can cheat the myc to do what you want! first understand the reactions and swapping of stimuli, then you can utilise these effects in your growing!!
try it yourself it works or search fahtsters late casing tek.
we both used it for year and years and it works and improves pinsets. also look into psuedo casings and fahts laying/spawning tek.
the results speak for themselves. i dont care what others say, i trust results and science and i have seen the effect first had lots of times and yes light if used right will start the fruiting cycle off before FAE ect leading to better and faster pinsets!!
its all about how you use the mycs natural systems and abuse them. almost forced fruiting
i use fahts tek but adjusted to my own ways, but the reasoning is the same, from how and why you lay the spawn to the method of late casing. and i use direct 2000 lux + light at surface to trigger the hormonal response in the myc to make knots before casing and setting the main triggers.
you see my fruiting cycle starts way before main triggers are set or casing is applied!
it starts when the knots form caused by light and 100% colonized!! then i knock over the dominoes i have conveniently set up.
and the chain reaction begins and i just ride the wave lol
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7708447
learn the tek and your pinsets will improve and your tubs need less maintenance and you will be controlling all aspects of the grow rather than just watching the myc do its thing.
it takes it one step further and puts you in the driving seat and tbh contams are less of a problem as the 3 flushes i aim for are over fast with little lag at the start or between flushes and i dont need to rehydrate hardly ever as the casing is not sat around! within days its a empty tub to a full one, then a little misting and go again.
Awesome post, bob. Your knowledge and experience never ceases to amaze me.
Edited by insanemike (08/13/15 10:21 AM)
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Leviticus969



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Re: Cause of Mushrooms Growing in Random Directions [Re: insanemike]
#22085797 - 08/13/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, bob. Thank you for that write up. It probably is both the fae and lighting. I'll update you all on potency this weekend when i eat these. If the lighting and fae had any effects
Edited by Leviticus969 (08/13/15 10:34 AM)
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