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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22086657 - 08/13/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the best part was the pharmacist at my local dispensary telling me that the oil was so black because of how much thc was in it. The fucking guy doesnt have a clue about anything i dont even think he smokes weed.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22086662 - 08/13/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I wanted to give him some oil cuz i felt so bad


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22086682 - 08/13/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The people making the oil are the "scientist" that my state has contracted to produce oil and hash. $60 for a half gram of not even full melt!

and black latex goop co2 oil!
this is the best they have its shatter and $90 a gram :cool:


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #22086691 - 08/13/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yep I said it, no difference whatsoever. It's a morphological difference, not a genetically based one that would determine chemical content.

So you're all saying that years of unverifiable anecdotal evidence beats the only feasibly conducted scientific study so far?  :ohyeahdefinitely:

I believed the indica vs. sativa myth until I started making friends with growers and seeing their plants grow from seedling to harvest.

I managed to feel extreme couchlock from an obviously spindly sativa and a buzzy hyper high from a broad-leaved indica.

Please read into what I say and post before making such reactionary statements with no grounding in science.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22086693 - 08/13/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't because I rarely see two strains people claim looking similar. Even the medical seed didn't look right from the local dispensary. No regulation, it doesn't mean anything


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Yukon Cornelius] * 1
    #22086696 - 08/13/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't give a shit about your friend's presentation until it's been peer reviewed.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #22086702 - 08/13/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Also I'd like to clarify, not all weed has the same high if that's what you interpreted from that statement.


The variation is just too great regardless of it being sativa or indica.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #22086704 - 08/13/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:havesomescience:


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22086712 - 08/13/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't give a shit about your friend's presentation until it's been peer reviewed.




Yeah, because I know the guy personally. :rolleyes:

Please be reasonable, I've seen you take logical steps to deconstruct an argument before so there is no need to take it as a personal attack against your beliefs.

Dismissing the evidence without even reading it is a poor argument.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Yukon Cornelius] * 1
    #22086773 - 08/13/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not taking it personally, I just have enough experience with weed strains being distinct and distinguishable that I know the thrust of the presentation is wrong. I would need airtight evidence, peer-reviewed and reproduced, to believe that I am just imagining things when I can reliably name a strain based on its smell or high.

My take on the research you're telling me about is that the skill of the growers whose buds were tested varied widely.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #22086851 - 08/13/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nope, not even close. I was in the same boat as you until I was willing to accept the fact that there is solid evidence against what I experienced.

Instead of dismissing it because it is contrary to what I believe, I seriously considered it and read into the evidence further.

If you at least read the evidence instead of taking the easy way out by just saying "it's not what I experienced" then I could have a constructive dialogue with you on the topic.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #22086890 - 08/13/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Read what? All I see is a video. His paper was supposed to be published spring of 2014.. what happened?
I will agree, that because of difference in growers and growing conditions.. the same strains can have different final products, as I have already stated several times in this thread.
But to make the claim that all strain names are just bullshit... well.. that's bullshit.
And there are no differences between sativas and indicas?
I should just take your word on it because of your anecdotal evidence? Which, not two sentences prior to making that statement you were decrying unverifiable anecdotal evidence?

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So you're all saying that years of unverifiable anecdotal evidence beats the only feasibly conducted scientific study so far?  :ohyeahdefinitely:

I believed the indica vs. sativa myth until I started making friends with growers and seeing their plants grow from seedling to harvest.

I managed to feel extreme couchlock from an obviously spindly sativa and a buzzy hyper high from a broad-leaved indica.

Please read into what I say and post before making such reactionary statements with no grounding in science.




Read what you said like you asked.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #22086910 - 08/13/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Nope, not even close. I was in the same boat as you until I was willing to accept the fact that there is solid evidence against what I experienced.

Instead of dismissing it because it is contrary to what I believe, I seriously considered it and read into the evidence further.

If you at least read the evidence instead of taking the easy way out by just saying "it's not what I experienced" then I could have a constructive dialogue with you on the topic.




By "constructive dialogue" do you mean one that results in me realizing that I've been deluding myself along with everybody who professionally cultivates marijuana in observing that there is a consistent chemical and qualitative difference between sativa and indica?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that is one extra extraordinary claim you're making.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22086961 - 08/13/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Pretty much the only times I've seen shwag in the last 15 years or so have been in other countries.





It's pretty common in Tx.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22086963 - 08/13/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Read what? All I see is a video. His paper was supposed to be published spring of 2014.. what happened?
I will agree, that because of difference in growers and growing conditions.. the same strains can have different final products, as I have already stated several times in this thread.
But to make the claim that all strain names are just bullshit... well.. that's bullshit.
And there are no differences between sativas and indicas? I should just take your word on it because of your anecdotal evidence?




As I emphasized earlier, he is still collecting data on this paper. There are hundreds of submissions that he receives every month of different samples that have to be processed.

This is just the evidence so far, it leads me to have a reasonable doubt that strain names have any meaning in terms of an expected effect.

I need to do a bit more digging on the botany publications about the difference between indica and sativa species, but I'm not saying take my word for it from anecdotal evidence.

Most folks I know who strongly believe in the indica/sativa difference also have no experience in seeing where their product comes from directly.

I know it's hard to believe, but I'm merely pointing out the evidence that is available so far.

We are a long way from having sufficient research into this field, but that's not to say that there is no validity in pursuing that research further.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22087035 - 08/13/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yukon Cornelius said:
Nope, not even close. I was in the same boat as you until I was willing to accept the fact that there is solid evidence against what I experienced.

Instead of dismissing it because it is contrary to what I believe, I seriously considered it and read into the evidence further.

If you at least read the evidence instead of taking the easy way out by just saying "it's not what I experienced" then I could have a constructive dialogue with you on the topic.




By "constructive dialogue" do you mean one that results in me realizing that I've been deluding myself along with everybody who professionally cultivates marijuana in observing that there is a consistent chemical and qualitative difference between sativa and indica?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that is one extra extraordinary claim you're making.




Not in the least, don't twist my words. I just want you to actually look into his research and not dismiss it without giving it any consideration.

Doesn't mean you have to agree with me, just means you should constructively disagree with me.

Qualitative differences are a result of quantitative measurements, your central nervous system is not an LC/MS.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #22087049 - 08/13/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I agree, we need all the research we can get. But you can't go making bold claims like that, that flies in face of everyone else's experience, without backing it up with tons of evidence.
I mean weed is one of the oldest cultivated plants on the planet. The lack of studies is thanks to the war on drugs.

Also pray tell, how does one empirically test how people "feel" between sativas and indicas? I'm genuinely curious.
I could say Sativas gave me couchlock too.. but they never do. Not a pure sativa. Not to mention, most strains out there these days are hybrid between sativas and indicas, so it gets even murkier.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22087116 - 08/13/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Read what? All I see is a video. His paper was supposed to be published spring of 2014.. what happened?
I will agree, that because of difference in growers and growing conditions.. the same strains can have different final products, as I have already stated several times in this thread.
But to make the claim that all strain names are just bullshit... well.. that's bullshit.
And there are no differences between sativas and indicas?
I should just take your word on it because of your anecdotal evidence? Which, not two sentences prior to making that statement you were decrying unverifiable anecdotal evidence?

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Yukon Cornelius said:
So you're all saying that years of unverifiable anecdotal evidence beats the only feasibly conducted scientific study so far?  :ohyeahdefinitely:

I believed the indica vs. sativa myth until I started making friends with growers and seeing their plants grow from seedling to harvest.

I managed to feel extreme couchlock from an obviously spindly sativa and a buzzy hyper high from a broad-leaved indica.

Please read into what I say and post before making such reactionary statements with no grounding in science.




Read what you said like you asked.





Fair enough, just trying to make a connection with what information you are willing to acknowledge.

The different feelings are governed by varying ratios of cannabinoids, along with the added entourage effect with it's terpenoid profile.

This is a very complex mechanism to study and shouldn't be simplified so easily. We barely understand the  main active components let alone it's interaction with the wide range of other secondary psychoactive components.

It's not as easy as studying the effects of one active compound like in clinical trials for pharmaceuticals, and even then it takes year for definitive data to surface.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #22087271 - 08/13/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That is all very true.
There are at least 85 cannabinoids found in cannabis, of which we have a rudimentary understanding of like... 4 or 5. And over 400 compounds.
Not to mention how they all interact and synergize with one another in different ratios. More research is needed.



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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22087281 - 08/13/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My brains...

they hurt.

(whos got the strain for that?)


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