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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #22085261 - 08/13/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Fact. Blueberry tastes radically different from something like Sour Diesel. I can pick out different strains blindly from a lineup, and have on several occasions. Blue Dream for example is one I can pick out from a mile away. I love the history of genetics and the best strains can be traces back from landraces, which are indigenous strains that are found in the wild all over the world.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: daytripper05]
    #22085275 - 08/13/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My friend can do that too like some fucking cannabis rain man


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22085283 - 08/13/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'll admit that if you "smoke" the weed, the flavor isn't really all that unique, at least to me. I vaporize all my bud, so the flavor is radically different with every strain. All the unique flavors can be had by vaporizing.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22085322 - 08/13/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My big thing lately is I like weed that is "fresh" as in clearly hasn't been compressed in the vacuum seal process or otherwise abused.  Airy buds and nice trichromes y'know?  I don't like to pay a premium based on name, but if it is ethically treated and I can tell I'll pay more.

I mostly ignore the names.  I get alot of them, and some of them I'll just laugh in the dudes face because the names are ridiculous.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22085333 - 08/13/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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learning sponge said:
that's because you don't have accsess to dispensaries/growers therefore you have no idea wut the the hell youre talking about

THERES A BIG DIFFERENCE BRO:gc:





anyone can slap a name on some weed and sell it to a dispensary, I mean how
exactly did any of these strains originally come about, someone crossed X
with Y and slapped a name on it but where did X and Y come from, right, the
same fucking plant. if they say it's an indica/sativa cross then hey, at least
that's better than saying they crossed 2 sativas and now it's an entirely
different sativa. it's this kind of retardation that has people selling
'labradoodles' as pure bred dogs





Weed strains come from genetic mutation of other strains, and then growing the mutated clones/seeds.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22085492 - 08/13/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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nicechrisman said:
Cannabis seeds strains and their genetic origins

Although hundreds of regional sub-varieties have been developed by skilled home and professional marijuana seeds breeders, the foundational genetic stock of traditional cannabis seeds strains is well-known and respected. We can think of these genetic precursors as the basic colour palette from which breeders mix and match to create limitless diversity.

Base origins and history of cannabis strains:

Columbian: also known as "Gold," was one of the original sativa imports that fueled the marijuana renaissance in North America during the 1960's. Ohhhh the sweet smell and taste with a mellow high that can’t be matched. Sativa all the way. I miss the melow taste, not to mention the buzz from Columbian Gold. $40.00 an ounce those days. I remember complaining that Gold is all anyone ever had :-)

Thai: sometimes known as Thai Sticks, because this Asian sativa variety produces loose clusters which are often woven onto sticks of bamboo or cannabis stems. Often called Budha Bud Thai stick and came wrapped on a stick with a wierd green or red thread. One hit wonder for sure. Hybridized and crossed Thai marijuana seeds are still available on the Dutch online market.

Jamaican: these mostly sativa plants are fast-growing and reputed to produce a stimulating high. Jamaican is probably the result of crosses of Indian ganja, which arrived with the Indian immigrants who came to the country. The term for marijuana in Jamaica is ganja, the same as in India. The traditional Jamaican term for the best weed is Kali, named for the Indian killer goddess.

Mexican: the war on drugs has severely afflicted Mexican indigenous production. Some of the best cannabis used to come from Mexico, but these days "Mexican Brown brickweed" has become synonymous with "schwag." Good Mexican is a Sativa offshoot, and even though its THC is degraded by bricking and shipping, it can be a potent and hardy plant when raised in captivity.

Cambodian and Chinese: these cannabis varieties are often problematic. In China, cannabis is cultivated for hemp fiber. In Cambodia, Vietnam and nearby countries, plants often tend to be hermaphroditic, which means that they develop male and female flowers and if left unchecked can fertilize themselves. Some breeders allege that using seeds from mostly-female hermaphroditic parents will produce seeds that favour the female gender. Unfortunately, such seeds also tend to be hermaphrodites, resulting in compromised floral development and resin production.

African: South Africa is becoming one of the world's top pot producers. Some experts allege that South African pot contains a deviant THC molecule which produces super-hallucinogenic highs. Durban Poison is a South African strain. The more northern parts of Africa also produce regional varieties; the further north you go, the more likely the strains are to be Indicas. Ghana is famous for its marijuana cultivation. Many african cannabis seeds, original strains and hybridized ones can be purchased online.

Afghani: These are some of the first seed types collected by European and American cannabis researchers during the 1960's hippie era. Afghani and Hindu Kush are indicas which grow fast, have huge leaves, and produce a skunky, mentally-crippling high. These two varieties have become very popular with many commercial growers. Still one of widely sold marijuana seeds strains online.

Hawaiian: Island strains, such as Maui Wowie, used to be readily available. Then the DEA started a massive air war against Hawaiian growers, and these varieties became scarce. They are now used mainly in crosses, and often lean toward the Sativa end of the spectrum.

Unless you buy from a seed bank or breeder, it's hard to know for sure which of the above varieties you have in your private marijuana seed stash. The size and shape of leaves, maturation characteristics, and the visual appearance of floral clusters are some of the most reliable ways to determine what lineage your seeds come from.





so now we know that there were 8 strains that weed originated from and all this
other shit is contrived horse shit because crossing hawaiian with columbian
wouldnt produce 8000 strains of weed even though that's how these breeders are
doing it. breeder a crosses these two and produces brand X while breeder b
crosses these two and calls it brand Y


now, for the record, cambodian, afghani and thai are all the same


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22085580 - 08/13/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

But if you put like 200 strains of weed on a table in front of you you could distinguish between them in terms of appearance, smell, potency, cannibinoid composition, taste, color etc, not to mention growing characteristics, speed to maturation, what kind of environments they do well in, etc etc.

So...

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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22085583 - 08/13/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22085584 - 08/13/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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But if you put like 200 strains of weed on a table in front of you you could distinguish between them in terms of appearance, smell, potency, cannibinoid composition, taste, color etc, not to mention growing characteristics, speed to maturation, what kind of environments they do well in, etc etc.

So...

:shrug:





no but i could tell you that one is prettier than some of the others


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22085588 - 08/13/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I get the strain stuff and its cool and whatever.

What i hate is in my non medical state everyone and their brother will go buy "frazzle dazzle sour diezel" before buying the non name dank ass shit. Even if the no name is better they just like to be like "brah im smoking super duper skunk junk"....

I have no source and dont care to look for one but i recall reading an article that said strains dont matter that you can go get the same strain from two different dispensaries and they will be completely different.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22085607 - 08/13/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

pris obv smokes shitty weed i mean cannabis breeding is fucking redic i mean fucking blue nugget that taste like a fucking blueberry i dont even fucking know how itas possible. i mean a strain usually designates a group with a noticeable morphological deviation, Not sure how you guys arent seeing noticable differances in strains and even been able to trace liniages of hybrids baised on flavors and aromoas and such.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #22086303 - 08/13/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I sure as fuck don't. Even in medical states i don't see how it can be all that reliable, if theres really no regulation. Not to mention you can have two nugs from the same plant give different effects. Really doesn't make sense to me. As far as im concerned the only difference in strains is sativa and indica, and the rest is perceived differences that more or less rely on the person's genetics than the actual plants.




The only people who don't "buy into" weed strains are people who haven't actually had any experience with premium buds that actually are of any given strain. Trust me, dedicated growers don't need regulations to be able to provide these. As if the government would know anything about good weed in the first place. :curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22086381 - 08/13/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
But if you put like 200 strains of weed on a table in front of you you could distinguish between them in terms of appearance, smell, potency, cannibinoid composition, taste, color etc, not to mention growing characteristics, speed to maturation, what kind of environments they do well in, etc etc.

So...

:shrug:





no but i could tell you that one is prettier than some of the others






This debate reminds me of heirloom tomatoes.  How several decades back in Itally, when tomato plants were moved with the family, and planted in a different region, with different climate, soil ph, and so on, how the plants addapted and changed to strive in the new area.  fast forward several decades and now even tho those same tomato plants originated from the same source, they all have unique genetic traits.

Take a south american marijuana plant, take a genetic test to see what it looks like. Then grow it in a completely different agriculture zone, keep it going for several years until it stabilizes in its new environment, and then do a genetic test.  I would really be curious to see the difference from the first test.    Im a bit too lazy to see if these tests have already been done, Im just posting from work quickly. just putting this idea out there.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22086386 - 08/13/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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LuSiD enthusiast said:
I sure as fuck don't. Even in medical states i don't see how it can be all that reliable, if theres really no regulation. Not to mention you can have two nugs from the same plant give different effects. Really doesn't make sense to me. As far as im concerned the only difference in strains is sativa and indica, and the rest is perceived differences that more or less rely on the person's genetics than the actual plants.




The only people who don't "buy into" weed strains are people who haven't actually had any experience with premium buds that actually are of any given strain. Trust me, dedicated growers don't need regulations to be able to provide these. As if the government would know anything about good weed in the first place. :curbyourenthusiasm:




I am experienced and I don't buy into it one single bit. Of course there is varieties that can be cultivated for specific characteristics by one grower over the course of many generations of a land strain. There is some accountability in that case, a very isolated genetic pool.

However I absolutely think identifying a type of high or flavor profile from just the name alone is bullshit. I even started a thread a while back about this subject after I saw a presentation by an organic chemist Jeffrey C. Rhaber who runs the most sophisticated cannabis testing facility in the country.

He's done an analysis of strains submitted by multiple growers with the same name and plotted them according to their various ratios of terpenoids and cannabinoids. The results were all across the map, with no correlation whatsoever between the submitted name and the psychoactive chemical content.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22086387 - 08/13/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't live in a med state so generally I don't buy into the name craze. My newest dealer is pretty on point with his strains though. I guess it just really depends.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22086405 - 08/13/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

u guys need step ur shit up i havent lived in a medi state basically my whole life and i could tell you names of certain strains just off smell people arent jus pulling these names outta their ass unless ur dealer is a jackass


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22086440 - 08/13/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There are vastly dramatic differences between strains. It's not even remotely like cubes where a strain is a strain is a strain and some minute differences between each.
Strain certainly isn't everything.. as growing conditions / curing process and more play a large part in the end product.
But all things being equal, there can be some pretty dramatic differences between strains alone in terms of terpenes, THC/CBD ratio, smell, appearance, type of high, etc.
Yes the same strains can vary wildly grown in different areas and by different growers, but the base characteristics are almost always there. You have the same grower producing the same strains under the same ideal conditions, it's going to be pretty damn consistent.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22086468 - 08/13/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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There are vastly dramatic differences between strains. It's not even remotely like cubes where a strain is a strain is a strain and some minute differences between each.




It is exactly the same, strain names mean nothing quantitatively because there is 0 regulation.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22086479 - 08/13/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
u guys need step ur shit up i havent lived in a medi state basically my whole life and i could tell you names of certain strains just off smell people arent jus pulling these names outta their ass unless ur dealer is a jackass



I'm trying bruh. I just know I get really good bud :shrug: I mean I was in Denver all weekend and I gotta say I definitely get the same quality of bud and for way cheaper. Fuck that $20 a gram bullshit


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22086505 - 08/13/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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nicechrisman said:
Cannabis seeds strains and their genetic origins

Although hundreds of regional sub-varieties have been developed by skilled home and professional marijuana seeds breeders, the foundational genetic stock of traditional cannabis seeds strains is well-known and respected. We can think of these genetic precursors as the basic colour palette from which breeders mix and match to create limitless diversity.

Base origins and history of cannabis strains:

Columbian: also known as "Gold," was one of the original sativa imports that fueled the marijuana renaissance in North America during the 1960's. Ohhhh the sweet smell and taste with a mellow high that can’t be matched. Sativa all the way. I miss the melow taste, not to mention the buzz from Columbian Gold. $40.00 an ounce those days. I remember complaining that Gold is all anyone ever had :-)

Thai: sometimes known as Thai Sticks, because this Asian sativa variety produces loose clusters which are often woven onto sticks of bamboo or cannabis stems. Often called Budha Bud Thai stick and came wrapped on a stick with a wierd green or red thread. One hit wonder for sure. Hybridized and crossed Thai marijuana seeds are still available on the Dutch online market.

Jamaican: these mostly sativa plants are fast-growing and reputed to produce a stimulating high. Jamaican is probably the result of crosses of Indian ganja, which arrived with the Indian immigrants who came to the country. The term for marijuana in Jamaica is ganja, the same as in India. The traditional Jamaican term for the best weed is Kali, named for the Indian killer goddess.

Mexican: the war on drugs has severely afflicted Mexican indigenous production. Some of the best cannabis used to come from Mexico, but these days "Mexican Brown brickweed" has become synonymous with "schwag." Good Mexican is a Sativa offshoot, and even though its THC is degraded by bricking and shipping, it can be a potent and hardy plant when raised in captivity.

Cambodian and Chinese: these cannabis varieties are often problematic. In China, cannabis is cultivated for hemp fiber. In Cambodia, Vietnam and nearby countries, plants often tend to be hermaphroditic, which means that they develop male and female flowers and if left unchecked can fertilize themselves. Some breeders allege that using seeds from mostly-female hermaphroditic parents will produce seeds that favour the female gender. Unfortunately, such seeds also tend to be hermaphrodites, resulting in compromised floral development and resin production.

African: South Africa is becoming one of the world's top pot producers. Some experts allege that South African pot contains a deviant THC molecule which produces super-hallucinogenic highs. Durban Poison is a South African strain. The more northern parts of Africa also produce regional varieties; the further north you go, the more likely the strains are to be Indicas. Ghana is famous for its marijuana cultivation. Many african cannabis seeds, original strains and hybridized ones can be purchased online.

Afghani: These are some of the first seed types collected by European and American cannabis researchers during the 1960's hippie era. Afghani and Hindu Kush are indicas which grow fast, have huge leaves, and produce a skunky, mentally-crippling high. These two varieties have become very popular with many commercial growers. Still one of widely sold marijuana seeds strains online.

Hawaiian: Island strains, such as Maui Wowie, used to be readily available. Then the DEA started a massive air war against Hawaiian growers, and these varieties became scarce. They are now used mainly in crosses, and often lean toward the Sativa end of the spectrum.

Unless you buy from a seed bank or breeder, it's hard to know for sure which of the above varieties you have in your private marijuana seed stash. The size and shape of leaves, maturation characteristics, and the visual appearance of floral clusters are some of the most reliable ways to determine what lineage your seeds come from.





so now we know that there were 8 strains that weed originated from and all this
other shit is contrived horse shit because crossing hawaiian with columbian
wouldnt produce 8000 strains of weed even though that's how these breeders are
doing it. breeder a crosses these two and produces brand X while breeder b
crosses these two and calls it brand Y


now, for the record, cambodian, afghani and thai are all the same




Actually those 3 are quite unique from eachother. Different species even...

Also, a single cross could produce (8,000) variants as ive said.  Every seed produced by a cross is unique the way brothers andd sisters are from eachother.  Same genes, different expressions of those genes. The more diverse the parents are, the more juxtaposed the possible outcomes may arise.
  I am related to my brother but I am unique from him in many ways.  You dont have to study cannabis to grasp the genetic idea.
Even with self seeding, the plants change every year and pass their new enetic changes into the new seeds. 

If things are different, why name them as if they are the same??

Even without ever crossing, plants change themselves over time. Especially through seeds, but even with perrenials where the same rhizome overwinters.
  Take the same stock of hops, break it up into the opposing corners or the country, and check them in 10 years. They will all display unique qualities from adaptations to their environment.

Cascade hops and Sterling hops are both thre same exact species.
One smells like oranges, and the other, shaving cream. Worth noting their individuality?
I believe so.


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