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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22084021 - 08/12/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So because the hybridization happened more recently among a subculture that you aren't particularly fond of, they are less valid than say tomato or pepper hybrids?


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22084027 - 08/12/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So because the hybridization happened more recently among a subculture that you aren't particularly fond of, they are less valid than say tomato or pepper hybrids?






what again were they hybridizing? as I've asked, what were the origins of these strains


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22084041 - 08/12/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Cannabis seeds strains and their genetic origins

Although hundreds of regional sub-varieties have been developed by skilled home and professional marijuana seeds breeders, the foundational genetic stock of traditional cannabis seeds strains is well-known and respected. We can think of these genetic precursors as the basic colour palette from which breeders mix and match to create limitless diversity.

Base origins and history of cannabis strains:

Columbian: also known as "Gold," was one of the original sativa imports that fueled the marijuana renaissance in North America during the 1960's. Ohhhh the sweet smell and taste with a mellow high that can’t be matched. Sativa all the way. I miss the melow taste, not to mention the buzz from Columbian Gold. $40.00 an ounce those days. I remember complaining that Gold is all anyone ever had :-)

Thai: sometimes known as Thai Sticks, because this Asian sativa variety produces loose clusters which are often woven onto sticks of bamboo or cannabis stems. Often called Budha Bud Thai stick and came wrapped on a stick with a wierd green or red thread. One hit wonder for sure. Hybridized and crossed Thai marijuana seeds are still available on the Dutch online market.

Jamaican: these mostly sativa plants are fast-growing and reputed to produce a stimulating high. Jamaican is probably the result of crosses of Indian ganja, which arrived with the Indian immigrants who came to the country. The term for marijuana in Jamaica is ganja, the same as in India. The traditional Jamaican term for the best weed is Kali, named for the Indian killer goddess.

Mexican: the war on drugs has severely afflicted Mexican indigenous production. Some of the best cannabis used to come from Mexico, but these days "Mexican Brown brickweed" has become synonymous with "schwag." Good Mexican is a Sativa offshoot, and even though its THC is degraded by bricking and shipping, it can be a potent and hardy plant when raised in captivity.

Cambodian and Chinese: these cannabis varieties are often problematic. In China, cannabis is cultivated for hemp fiber. In Cambodia, Vietnam and nearby countries, plants often tend to be hermaphroditic, which means that they develop male and female flowers and if left unchecked can fertilize themselves. Some breeders allege that using seeds from mostly-female hermaphroditic parents will produce seeds that favour the female gender. Unfortunately, such seeds also tend to be hermaphrodites, resulting in compromised floral development and resin production.

African: South Africa is becoming one of the world's top pot producers. Some experts allege that South African pot contains a deviant THC molecule which produces super-hallucinogenic highs. Durban Poison is a South African strain. The more northern parts of Africa also produce regional varieties; the further north you go, the more likely the strains are to be Indicas. Ghana is famous for its marijuana cultivation. Many african cannabis seeds, original strains and hybridized ones can be purchased online.

Afghani: These are some of the first seed types collected by European and American cannabis researchers during the 1960's hippie era. Afghani and Hindu Kush are indicas which grow fast, have huge leaves, and produce a skunky, mentally-crippling high. These two varieties have become very popular with many commercial growers. Still one of widely sold marijuana seeds strains online.

Hawaiian: Island strains, such as Maui Wowie, used to be readily available. Then the DEA started a massive air war against Hawaiian growers, and these varieties became scarce. They are now used mainly in crosses, and often lean toward the Sativa end of the spectrum.

Unless you buy from a seed bank or breeder, it's hard to know for sure which of the above varieties you have in your private marijuana seed stash. The size and shape of leaves, maturation characteristics, and the visual appearance of floral clusters are some of the most reliable ways to determine what lineage your seeds come from.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22084054 - 08/12/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22084066 - 08/12/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I get that there are different strains or what the fuck ever, and that they should be named

That said the names are corny as fuck :lol:

Personally I could give a fuck, as long as you give me some high grade, fine, then I'm good to go

Hell I'll even smoke fucking schwag, I'm not choosy when it comes to weed, because I barely light up these days anyway

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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Bigfeely123] * 2
    #22084075 - 08/12/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Even if we started with the exact same stock, in the future there would arise differences.
With each passing generation of seeds, the genetics change.  Be it to suit their environment or whatever else.

If you were working on different cultivars of mint, this idea would be the same and it wouldnt matter if the sprouted seeds were named a through z or whatever else. The point is they all have differences.  Think of all the seeds from 2 parents as brother and sister.
They all have the same genes (genotype) , but each individual seed has a different expression of these genes (phenotype).
Phenotype selection is picking what you want from these differences.
Its like the cute sister, tall brother, fat brother ect...

The more different the parents are, the more wild the phenotype differences that are displayed will be.
  To Pris's comment;
crossing 2 closely related sativas isnt redundant, because they will still produce different phenotypes in their offspring. 

The way to make a stable cross is with cloning and self x self breeding.

  Many breeders make blind crosses and sell them all without phenotype selection involved whatsoever, but will instead explain some known possibilities in the seeds involving differences in growth parameter, and flavor.

Point:
There's a definite reason for calling one apple Mcintosh and another golden delicious , while they are both still apples. 

Its cool being able to hand someone all my recent hard work in a single seed....
:awesomenod:


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Niffla]
    #22084100 - 08/13/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:girlofdisapproval:
I used to be 100% okay with Schwagg, I know you're from Texas so you're almost definitely getting exactly what Schwagg is to me. I never wanted or intended to be an elitist, but after spending a while on the good shit, and getting a bit of Schwagg, I just couldn't take it. It tasted revolting, it took a full blunt to get you legitimately high, the "crash" came after only an hour or so, and then you got headaches. It'a also a huge fucking rip off. Ever weighed the seeds/stems after cleaning an oz? That's like a 1/4 (or more) of the weight gone right off the bat.

Litereally the only thing it has going for it (because being cheap doesn't really make a fuck when you have to smoke tons more and it just tastes like shit) was the creeper. My god I love creeper weed, and I have only ever seen it in Schwagg. You can sit there and smoke a whole blunt and feel 100% sober. Then like 10 minutes later it hits you like a freight train. You go from sober to more or less, incapcitation almost instantly. You're sitting there smoking, and every hit you take you feel nothing then you start to get pissed because you got ripped off, and suddnely, BAM!.

Just a whole different experience to basically go from stone cold sober to way too fucked up in a span of a couple of seconds.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22084125 - 08/13/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oaxaca is a famous strain coming out of Mexico, it's a landrace strain that originates in the Oaxacan region within mexico.

Breeders were using it in a lot of their projects quite a number of years ago.

I am sure some schwag has good genetics but I think its becoming more and more rare.

I can't remember the last time I've seen schwag


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Atreyu]
    #22084127 - 08/13/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Pretty much the only times I've seen shwag in the last 15 years or so have been in other countries.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22084317 - 08/13/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I dont miss the brick... was everywhere when I was a kid.
They used to have ounces so compacted they were smaller than a deck of cards...


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22084347 - 08/13/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
You can sit there and smoke a whole blunt and feel 100% sober. Then like 10 minutes later it hits you like a freight train. You go from sober to more or less, incapcitation almost instantly.



Actually I know the perfect way to explain this effect. It's like that scene in Wolf of Walstreet where he's talking to his lawyer or whoever and the old lemons he took suddenly whoop his ass.



You keep taking more and more because it just ain't working, and then suddenly, and randomly you are just totally wasted. :bigyesnod: God I miss that shit.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22084445 - 08/13/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you for posting those descriptions. That was pretty cool to read. Years ago, I'm pretty darn sure I bought some hermaphrodite weed. It looked pretty unusual. I honestly can't remember if it was any good though.

Ahhh, the shwag. I used to actually like smoking brick weed because you could smoke dooby after dooby in a sitting & listen to music for hours. Now I really don't care for it but I'd still smoke it if that was my only option. A zip for $50, give or take. It was definitely low quality weed but the quality of it varied & every so often you could really luck out-sometimes you'd get some REALLY shitty nasty dark green stuff but sometimes you'd get some fairly light green "mids" looking stuff. I just remember the process of sorting out the stems & seeds was kind of a chore because of just how many there were in a single bud! Sheesh!


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22084475 - 08/13/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Seeds aren't a problem. All you have to do is take whatever ground bud you have, put it on a large flat, rigid surface (I had a chessboard like this I used for all "processing" ) and til it about 30 degrees. with everything at the high point. Then use a card to scoop some up and then "sift" it (shake the card back and fourth as you let if fall onto the board near the top). Weed would mostly stay where it landed, seeds would roll down and be collected at the bottom. Once the bud was clean, just give the seed pile a second pass.

Took about a minute max maybe. I never learned any trick for dealing with all the stems though. It was a tedious process unless you wanted to be wasteful. I never did. Destemming an oz of weed usually took me about half an hour or more. With schwagg I mostly rolled, so getting all OCD on getting the stems out was kind of a must. Shit was time consuming as hell.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


Edited by Shroomslip (08/13/15 02:04 AM)


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #22084755 - 08/13/15 03:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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learning sponge said:
that's because you don't have accsess to dispensaries/growers therefore you have no idea wut the the hell youre talking about

THERES A BIG DIFFERENCE BRO:gc:




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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Beanhead]
    #22084760 - 08/13/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I get my weed directly from a grower who sells his stuff to pot clubs... when he says weed is a certain strain, it is definitely that strain, and the different strains have different aromas and highs. Street dealers try to play it off like their schwaggy intermixable shit is of the same caliber but it's not. So yeah I buy into it.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22084780 - 08/13/15 04:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid: strains are definitely real when you bread the right genetics together


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22084816 - 08/13/15 04:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i know what op means, i got a dealer that is like that and make up name of the top.

like some really basic m-39 and he calls it fruity tuty :lolsy: he knows the grower and everything hes just lying to make more cash

but yea overall people on here are right, hybridation and multiple crossing made a vast range of strains. and they are really different.

Got a chemdawg growing right now (Og kush - NY sour diesel):yesnod: and some polar express (NL x California Kush x ruderalis) strains are getting crazy af


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22084823 - 08/13/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Shroomslip said:
Seeds aren't a problem. All you have to do is take whatever ground bud you have, put it on a large flat, rigid surface (I had a chessboard like this I used for all "processing" ) and til it about 30 degrees. with everything at the high point. Then use a card to scoop some up and then "sift" it (shake the card back and fourth as you let if fall onto the board near the top). Weed would mostly stay where it landed, seeds would roll down and be collected at the bottom. Once the bud was clean, just give the seed pile a second pass.

Took about a minute max maybe. I never learned any trick for dealing with all the stems though. It was a tedious process unless you wanted to be wasteful. I never did. Destemming an oz of weed usually took me about half an hour or more. With schwagg I mostly rolled, so getting all OCD on getting the stems out was kind of a must. Shit was time consuming as hell.





:lol:
I used to do this aswell.


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22085006 - 08/13/15 06:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There are buds for uppers and buds for downs, buds for pain and buds for frowns. Theres buds for hungers and buds for diseases, Theres a bud for basically any thinkable reason.For a long ass night having fun with some friends, or tricking your mom into eating brownies again. Theres buds for stress, trauma and epilepsy. They even have pipes designed just for lefties. Theres all kinds of buds and strains you see, so stop with the drama and explore them with me...


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Re: Who buys into the weed strain name thing? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #22085208 - 08/13/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I sure as fuck don't. Even in medical states i don't see how it can be all that reliable, if theres really no regulation. Not to mention you can have two nugs from the same plant give different effects. Really doesn't make sense to me. As far as im concerned the only difference in strains is sativa and indica, and the rest is perceived differences that more or less rely on the person's genetics than the actual plants.


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