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Re: advice [Re: drake89]
    #22091890 - 08/14/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Apparently there is an office in BC......been trying to call with no answer. But it still makes my life way easier lol. Thanks


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Re: advice [Re: northwest gourmet]
    #22092768 - 08/14/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Drake, if you dont mind me asking, roughly how much is it per pound of 3015? I am putting a business plan together. Thanks


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Re: advice [Re: northwest gourmet]
    #22093212 - 08/15/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Personally living in Canada and having experience with what you are doing I would highly recommend not buying spawn and learning to grow your own. Any chance of you getting spawn for a decent price from the US will be all buy a great idea until all that spawn needs to make its way across the border. been there done that.

As far as spent substrate the best success I've had was composting it in piles and selling it as compost to nurseries. As I'm sure you are aware of, here in Canada prices for a bag of good compost are about 4.99+ per standard sized bag. If you contact a nursery and talk business with them they will gladly take it off your hands adding to your overall profit margins. I am currently expanding my vermicomposting setup to be able to process all my spent substrate into casting. I am doing this for good reason. To increase the profit from my spent substrate 4x+. Also because it is not easy to make money from growing mushrooms in a smaller scale. Actually I will have to rephrase that - It is a job like any other! It takes hard work. If your heart is in it then I have no doubt you will make it happen. Just start small and expand to meet your demand.

Any questions just PM me. I will gladly answer any Q's over PM that you feel aren't worth a thread.

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Re: advice [Re: bryanbzl]
    #22093224 - 08/15/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I forgot to mention. Only you can tell if buying spawn will work for you. If you can charge crazy prices for your product then maybe it'll work out for you. but for the most part for smaller scale operations like you describe you will be more profitable doing everything in house as far as spawn goes and also supply a higher quality. (i.e. larger and more quality fruits as opposed to those cheap mass bottle culture mushrooms.)

Buy a copy of GGMM by stamets if you haven't already. He goes into great detail about spawn production and the reasons why you should do it yourself or if you should buy - not to mention all of the other great info. I would recommend mycelium running as well. amazing read.:thumbup:


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Re: advice [Re: northwest gourmet]
    #22094052 - 08/15/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Drake, if you dont mind me asking, roughly how much is it per pound of 3015? I am putting a business plan together. Thanks




for me, I think it's like $1/lb for the spawn plus about $1/lb for shipping.  so go and pick it up if at all possible.  comes in 20lb bags, 2 per case, one case minimum order.


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Re: advice [Re: drake89]
    #22094511 - 08/15/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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northwest gourmet said:
Drake, if you dont mind me asking, roughly how much is it per pound of 3015? I am putting a business plan together. Thanks




for me, I think it's like $1/lb for the spawn plus about $1/lb for shipping.  so go and pick it up if at all possible.  comes in 20lb bags, 2 per case, one case minimum order.




Hey Drake. Is that sawdust spawn? That is a good price for spawn. :thumbup: Great advice. OP says they have a BC office. Do you know anything about Canadian orders? I have only tried with shipping from the US and it wasn't really cost effective with the whole customs situation.


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Re: advice [Re: drake89]
    #22094545 - 08/15/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Excellent, great advice bryan....my sis actually works at the largest greenhouse in my town haha...def going to throw out the idea. Thanks a lot, thats my stance on this as well, it will be a job, but I am going to put in my hard work to make it a go. Will def take you up on pm'ing lol thanks.

I already know how to make spawn from spores, I have been researching agar work and cloning for as long as I have been doing this. Never had a need for that much spawn though. I am planning on finding spawn to purchase for the first month or 2 while I get everything operational, then will be creating my own.

Drake, thanks alot, thats even cheaper than I forested in the budget lol, I was looking on a gov site and it sounds like to me amycel has a warehouse here...they import the spawn and send it across Canada. (But you know what happens with assumptions haha)


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Re: advice [Re: northwest gourmet]
    #22094548 - 08/15/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Bry, I am currently trying to get in touch with them, they are closed till monday. I will let you know what I find out.


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Re: advice [Re: northwest gourmet]
    #22094785 - 08/15/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Amycel sells oyster grain spawn for $30/per 15 liter sack - which is around 18lbs.

A case is two 15 liter bags, and sells for $60 bucks. When I factored in the shipping costs for my location in the Midwest/US, it ends up costing between $2.20 and $2.45 per pound of spawn. :eek:

When asked if they offer organic spawn, they were dumbfounded and claimed never to have been asked that before... :eek: they decided they obviously don't. :shrug:

If you really want to grow Amycel strains, I'd say buy one bag and then clone/borrow the culture for making your own spawn.

My costs in making organic grain spawn is under 50 cents a pound. If you really want to purchase I would recommend you stick with your "local" ethics and look for a smaller grower or operation around your area who would really benefit from the extra income instead of another corporate brown shoe.


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Re: advice [Re: poofterFroth]
    #22094942 - 08/15/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Amycel sells oyster grain spawn for $30/per 15 liter sack - which is around 18lbs.

A case is two 15 liter bags, and sells for $60 bucks. When I factored in the shipping costs for my location in the Midwest/US, it ends up costing between $2.20 and $2.45 per pound of spawn. :eek:

When asked if they offer organic spawn, they were dumbfounded and claimed never to have been asked that before... :eek: they decided they obviously don't. :shrug:

If you really want to grow Amycel strains, I'd say buy one bag and then clone/borrow the culture for making your own spawn.

My costs in making organic grain spawn is under 50 cents a pound. If you really want to purchase I would recommend you stick with your "local" ethics and look for a smaller grower or operation around your area who would really benefit from the extra income instead of another corporate brown shoe.




i totally disagree with you on most counts.  especially the first sentence- their CASES are $30.  that's two bags.

anyone in your area would probably not want to foster their own competition.  at least that's the way i look at it.  I and anyone else with any sense won't let other local growers near their operation.

the ultimate irony is that Monterey Mushrooms owns Amycel.  Which is smart on their end.  But I'm using their spawn to sell mushrooms to people that otherwise buy from monterey.  hehehe


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Re: advice [Re: drake89]
    #22095000 - 08/15/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"A case is two 15 liter bags for $60 bucks...:wink:"

The way I see it is competition is good, and I've found that most people that are going to buy spawn are going to buy it no matter what - so you might as well be the one to sell it to them. :cool:

What goes around comes around, which is why I often choose to support small operations and local folk over larger entities when I can, no matter what the product or service. If you want people to support your endeavors it's only fair to support theirs. :sunny:


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Re: advice [Re: poofterFroth]
    #22095427 - 08/15/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

maybe i've been getting 'special' pricing but I doubt it.  arguing on the internet is like the special olympics.  even if you win- you're still retarded.

clearly you haven't thought this out as a business person.  if you're getting your spawn from someone you're competing with- what's to stop them from giving you contaminated spawn for instance?


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Re: advice [Re: drake89]
    #22096303 - 08/15/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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maybe i've been getting 'special' pricing but I doubt it.  arguing on the internet is like the special olympics.  even if you win- you're still retarded.

clearly you haven't thought this out as a business person.  if you're getting your spawn from someone you're competing with- what's to stop them from giving you contaminated spawn for instance?




Good point. That's why you grow your own. Fuck ordering spawn. :cool:

LMAO on the retarded joke.. haven't heard that one in a couple decades.


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Re: advice [Re: bryanbzl]
    #22096924 - 08/15/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Have to agree with drake on this one, and besides, the whole reason I'm doin this venture is there is no one within 800 kms of me that even touches gourmet mushrooms, let alone spawn.


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Re: advice [Re: northwest gourmet]
    #22096931 - 08/15/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Also.....the retarded joke literally made me laugh out loud hahaha.....good one


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Re: advice [Re: northwest gourmet]
    #22097956 - 08/16/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

@drake
:facepalm3: Your obviously reading my posts wrong and being a fucking punk about it to.

I don't see an argument,  I'm just stating the prices I was given over the phone and proposing a good work ethic based on networking locally and connecting with real people on a real level you're over looking.

I just talked to Amycel on the phone Thursday and was quoted at $30 bucks per bag of oyster spawn. Two bags in a case for $60 bucks...add in shipping costs and its way more costly per pound then making your own. 

That's not an argument it's only math. :mindblown:

If you have no local competition I'm only proposing you save money by making your own spawn.

If you think your competition is going to "sabotage" your operation your the fucktard. No one wins in that situation - the buyer gets one bad crop, the spawn supplier never sees any more income from the sabotaged grower and looks like an asshole..... "so much for that relationship, but I bet Amycel has my back...I mean $check$..."

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Re: advice [Re: poofterFroth]
    #22098095 - 08/16/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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@drake
:facepalm3: Your obviously reading my posts wrong and being a fucking punk about it to.

I don't see an argument,  I'm just stating the prices I was given over the phone and proposing a good work ethic based on networking locally and connecting with real people on a real level you're over looking.

I just talked to Amycel on the phone Thursday and was quoted at $30 bucks per bag of oyster spawn. Two bags in a case for $60 bucks...add in shipping costs and its way more costly per pound then making your own. 

That's not an argument it's only math. :mindblown:

If you have no local competition I'm only proposing you save money by making your own spawn.

If you think your competition is going to "sabotage" your operation your the fucktard. No one wins in that situation - the buyer gets one bad crop, the spawn supplier never sees any more income from the sabotaged grower and looks like an asshole..... "so much for that relationship, but I bet Amycel has my back...I mean $check$..."

It's ok you have a small dick and your not always right. :freewilly:
I forgive you for your insecurities. :inlove:




I'm shaking in my booties.  If you value your time at $20/hr like I do, then the cost is about the same.  except when you order spawn it's guaranteed to be good and you don't have to do any work.  They will replace their spawn for free if it's bad.  it's called opportunity cost and it just means that sometimes you save money by spending it (if it saves you time you can spend doing something more productive).

nothing ever goes 100% right when you're farming and having your operation come to a halt because you made some bad spawn is very costly.  and not something i'd like to experience ever again.


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Re: advice [Re: drake89]
    #22098165 - 08/16/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I agree; its hard to buy self confidence.  :grinch:


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Re: advice [Re: poofterFroth]
    #22098367 - 08/16/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Drake, seeing as how I dont have any cultures haha, do you think its possible to buy a slant or dish from you if available?


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Re: advice [Re: northwest gourmet]
    #22098372 - 08/16/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Drake, seeing as how I dont have any cultures haha, do you think its possible to buy a slant or dish from you if available?



depends on what you want.  I don't run cultures anymore but I have a lot backed up in my fridge and on water agar at room temp.


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