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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
#22903271 - 02/14/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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I read part of it, and realized the guy is nothing more than a tremendous buffoon. Why bother reading the rest of it?
For example, he notes that many communist leaders died wealthy, and this is the opposite of what communism is supposed to be about. Two problems with that. Number one is that in the United States, Bernie can't suddenly raise his paycheck to millions of dollars a year. Number two (and this is HUGE), Bernie is not a communist.
Guys like this prey on gullible people like you. Don't be gullible.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#22903322 - 02/14/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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HEAD IN SAND?
Bernie says he wants to be like Scandinavia, yet proposes little of what actually makes them prosperous...
But yeah, keep ignoring the truth about the old fuck...
America is the most prosperous country in the world. We hold more wealth than any country on earth. During the New Deal era, our economy was BOOMING!
All Bernie is really saying is that we need a new New Deal, and he's right.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
#22903325 - 02/14/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I read part of it, and realized the guy is nothing more than a tremendous buffoon. Why bother reading the rest of it?
For example, he notes that many communist leaders died wealthy, and this is the opposite of what communism is supposed to be about. Two problems with that. Number one is that in the United States, Bernie can't suddenly raise his paycheck to millions of dollars a year. Number two (and this is HUGE), Bernie is not a communist.
Guys like this prey on gullible people like you. Don't be gullible.

Bernie's not a Communist! He's not even a fucking Socialist! 
He's a Keynesian Capitalist.
The strawman king is importing strawman arguments now!
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22903364 - 02/14/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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For example, he notes that many communist leaders died wealthy, and this is the opposite of what communism is supposed to be about. Two problems with that. Number one is that in the United States, Bernie can't suddenly raise his paycheck to millions of dollars a year
How do members of congress making 150k/yr suddenly become millionaires? It's corruption bra, plain and simple.
Bernie SAYS he wants us to be more like Scandinavia, he is clearly lying...
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By and large, people in Denmark do not demonize the rich. They don’t think that successful people are the reason why average incomes aren’t higher. Nor are they clamoring to confiscate the wealth of those at the top of the income ladder.
Take inheritance taxes. The US has higher estate taxes than virtually any country in Europe. According to the Tax Foundation, our top estate tax rate is 40%. In the Netherlands it’s 20%. In Denmark it’s 15%. In Norway and Sweden, there is no estate tax!
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#22903428 - 02/14/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: For example, he notes that many communist leaders died wealthy, and this is the opposite of what communism is supposed to be about. Two problems with that. Number one is that in the United States, Bernie can't suddenly raise his paycheck to millions of dollars a year
How do members of congress making 150k/yr suddenly become millionaires? It's corruption bra, plain and simple.
Bernie SAYS he wants us to be more like Scandinavia, he is clearly lying...
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By and large, people in Denmark do not demonize the rich. They don’t think that successful people are the reason why average incomes aren’t higher. Nor are they clamoring to confiscate the wealth of those at the top of the income ladder.
Take inheritance taxes. The US has higher estate taxes than virtually any country in Europe. According to the Tax Foundation, our top estate tax rate is 40%. In the Netherlands it’s 20%. In Denmark it’s 15%. In Norway and Sweden, there is no estate tax!
Democrats don't hate the rich as you conservatives like to fantasize. We hate the fact that our rich don't pay the working class nearly as much as they Denmark, where the effective minimum wage in is around $20/hour. If we had a minimum wage like that (Bernie is only proposing $15/hr), we wouldn't be complaining about the rich. Get it yet?
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#22903455 - 02/14/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: For example, he notes that many communist leaders died wealthy, and this is the opposite of what communism is supposed to be about. Two problems with that. Number one is that in the United States, Bernie can't suddenly raise his paycheck to millions of dollars a year
How do members of congress making 150k/yr suddenly become millionaires? It's corruption bra, plain and simple.
Bernie SAYS he wants us to be more like Scandinavia, he is clearly lying...
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By and large, people in Denmark do not demonize the rich. They don’t think that successful people are the reason why average incomes aren’t higher. Nor are they clamoring to confiscate the wealth of those at the top of the income ladder.
Take inheritance taxes. The US has higher estate taxes than virtually any country in Europe. According to the Tax Foundation, our top estate tax rate is 40%. In the Netherlands it’s 20%. In Denmark it’s 15%. In Norway and Sweden, there is no estate tax!
Democrats don't hate the rich as you conservatives like to fantasize. We hate the fact that our rich don't pay the working class nearly as much as they Denmark, where the effective minimum wage in is around $20/hour. If we had a minimum wage like that (Bernie is only proposing $15/hr), we wouldn't be complaining about the rich. Get it yet?
I don't 'hate the rich'. I do hate a system that allocates $1 Billion to one person. That doesn't make sense, in any world.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22903465 - 02/14/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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You guys, Bernie isn't talking about just raising the minimum wage, he's talking about taxing them into oblivion...
If he wants to be like Scandinavia, let's lower our corporate taxes to their level, maybe they'd pay more???
But he's not, he wants to raise the corporate tax even more than it is, NOT like Scandinavia...
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22903492 - 02/14/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: I don't 'hate the rich'. I do hate a system that allocates $1 Billion to one person. That doesn't make sense, in any world.
I don't even care if one person makes a billion dollars, as long as they're not doing it by screwing their workers over, like Walmart.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#22903502 - 02/14/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: You guys, Bernie isn't talking about just raising the minimum wage, he's talking about taxing them into oblivion...
If he wants to be like Scandinavia, let's lower our corporate taxes to their level, maybe they'd pay more???
But he's not, he wants to raise the corporate tax even more than it is, NOT like Scandinavia...

I see you've already forgotten what the effective corporate tax rate in the US is (it's MUCH lower). Here, I'll remind you:
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#22903511 - 02/14/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: I don't 'hate the rich'. I do hate a system that allocates $1 Billion to one person. That doesn't make sense, in any world.
I don't even care if one person makes a billion dollars, as long as they're not doing it by screwing their workers over, like Walmart.
The one billionaire that I think the world is better off for having (having be a billionaire, not having at all), is Elon Musk, because he is doing things that I wish the government would do. Things our government once did, and also things you might expect to read about in a science fiction book. He is investing in great innovations.
Also, he didn't make his money off fucking over employees, he made it by creating paypal, which benefited consumers and producers alike.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22903514 - 02/14/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your source is over ten years old, mine is 3
You're "effective" tax rate chart is BS...
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22903516 - 02/14/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: You guys, Bernie isn't talking about just raising the minimum wage, he's talking about taxing them into oblivion...
If he wants to be like Scandinavia, let's lower our corporate taxes to their level, maybe they'd pay more???
But he's not, he wants to raise the corporate tax even more than it is, NOT like Scandinavia...

I would accept a low corporate tax rate in exchange for a high minimum wage, and the implementation of German style worker councils.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22903547 - 02/14/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Your source is over ten years old, mine is 3
You're "effective" tax rate chart is BS...
My source is effective (real) tax rates, yours is statutory (BS).
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 3
#22903559 - 02/14/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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We all know that some of the most profitable corporations in this country dont pay a cent in federal taxes, and in many cases get a REFUND.
So dispense with the "highest corporate taxes smothering the economy" bullshit.
And from what I recall, Bernie (after closing loopholes) wants to shrink corporate tax rates. And even if he didnt, I'm sure bug business would appreciate a single payer system in lieu of themselves forking over money for their employees' healthcare.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22903621 - 02/14/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Your source is over ten years old, mine is 3
You're "effective" tax rate chart is BS...
My source is effective (real) tax rates, yours is statutory (BS).
Not every business is GE or Boeing, those are very extreme cases and the money saved by tax loopholes is not kept, it is reinvested into the business, you know, CREATING jobs, someThing you CLAIM to support.
Most business's do pay that shitty top rate, and you're fine with that, just be honest and admit it
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
#22903636 - 02/14/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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No, most businesses pay the effective rate. Some, as you pointed out, pay a lot less.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22903645 - 02/14/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Your source is over ten years old, mine is 3
You're "effective" tax rate chart is BS...
My source is effective (real) tax rates, yours is statutory (BS).
Not every business is GE or Boeing, those are very extreme cases and the money saved by tax loopholes is not kept, it is reinvested into the business, you know, CREATING jobs, someThing you CLAIM to support.
Most business's do pay that shitty top rate, and you're fine with that, just be honest and admit it
Or paid out to corporate executives and shareholders, and not 'reinvested' at all.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
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For example, he notes that many communist leaders died wealthy, and this is the opposite of what communism is supposed to be about. Two problems with that. Number one is that in the United States, Bernie can't suddenly raise his paycheck to millions of dollars a year
How do members of congress making 150k/yr suddenly become millionaires? It's corruption bra, plain and simple.
most of those members of congress were millionaires when they started. Not bernie though, he's definitely an outlier when it comes to net worth in congress
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: ballsalsa]
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For example, he notes that many communist leaders died wealthy, and this is the opposite of what communism is supposed to be about. Two problems with that. Number one is that in the United States, Bernie can't suddenly raise his paycheck to millions of dollars a year
How do members of congress making 150k/yr suddenly become millionaires? It's corruption bra, plain and simple.
most of those members of congress were millionaires when they started. Not bernie though, he's definitely an outlier when it comes to net worth in congress
Some would say he failed at life... Not me though, I think he's a WINNER!
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
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Hillary got paid more for speeches to Goldman Sachs in 2014 than Bernie's entire net worth.
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