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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: elax420]
    #22836441 - 01/28/16 10:05 PM (8 years, 2 days ago)

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I was under the assumption it's illegal to bet on politics at least above board.


Making odds is just like basic Algerbra gotta balance out the equation. They want it so they win no matter what (they get a 10% rake anyway). I wouldn't trust Vegas on politics.

Much crazier things have happened in Iowa. Didn't Santorum win there?




I believe Santorum won the straw poll in Iowa, didn't he?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: elax420]
    #22836702 - 01/28/16 11:05 PM (8 years, 2 days ago)

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I don't know what all those numbers mean. I'm not a gambler.



Basically, you win the first number by betting the second number.  As of this post, Hillary is 4/9, so if you bet $9, you'll get back your bet plus $4.  Bernie is 13/8, so if you bet $8, you'll get back your bet plus $13.  You get paid less (obviously) if you bet on the favorite.

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However, I'm quite sure Bernie will take Iowa, and I wish I could put money on that, because the world thinks he won't. I feel like my opinion is more informed than most on this race. I have been watching it every day.



You've been following Bernie very closely, as have I, but have you also been following Hillary?  Do you subscribe to her updates, etc.?  :shrug:


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I was under the assumption it's illegal to bet on politics at least above board.



You're right.  I probably shouldn't have called it "Vegas odds" since it's from other countries.

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Making odds is just like basic Algerbra gotta balance out the equation. They want it so they win no matter what (they get a 10% rake anyway). I wouldn't trust Vegas on politics.



I've been following Vegas odds all my life, and I'm astounded by how accurate it is.  When Vegas favored Obama on election day in 2008, I knew the race was his before the votes started being counted.

Granted, the odds are dynamic and change continuously with changing circumstances.  But they're the most accurate predictor at any given point in time.  If the election were held today, I think Clinton would probably win Iowa.  But there are still a few days left, and Bernie has been gaining...

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Much crazier things have happened in Iowa. Didn't Santorum win there?



Yes, but who did Vegas favor on election day?  I don't know the answer, but I'm guessing Santorum.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22836765 - 01/28/16 11:15 PM (8 years, 2 days ago)

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However, I'm quite sure Bernie will take Iowa, and I wish I could put money on that, because the world thinks he won't. I feel like my opinion is more informed than most on this race. I have been watching it every day.



You've been following Bernie very closely, as have I, but have you also been following Hillary?  Do you subscribe to her updates, etc.?  :shrug:




Good point. I've been following Hillary somewhat, but not nearly as closely. I get nauseous thinking about her, lmao!

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I've been following Vegas odds all my life, and I'm astounded by how accurate it is.  When Vegas favored Obama on election day in 2008, I knew the race was his before the votes started being counted.




This is no ordinary election, and many sources that are 'always right' have predicted Bernie. Then again, I may just be an eternal optimist :wink:


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22836886 - 01/28/16 11:55 PM (8 years, 2 days ago)

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This is no ordinary election, and many sources that are 'always right' have predicted Bernie. Then again, I may just be an eternal optimist :wink:




One of the arguments against Bernie is that he is largely supported by young voters, who don't have a strong record of showing up to vote.  It might be a reason Hillary is favored.  I'm hoping their excitement about Bernie brings them out in large numbers.

Unfortunately, the mainstream media's coverage of Bernie hasn't been very fair.  The big networks want to see a corporate candidate win, and Bernie's not their man.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22836908 - 01/29/16 12:05 AM (8 years, 2 days ago)

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This is no ordinary election, and many sources that are 'always right' have predicted Bernie. Then again, I may just be an eternal optimist :wink:




One of the arguments against Bernie is that he is largely supported by young voters, who don't have a strong record of showing up to vote.  It might be a reason Hillary is favored.  I'm hoping their excitement about Bernie brings them out in large numbers.

Unfortunately, the mainstream media's coverage of Bernie hasn't been very fair.  The big networks want to see a corporate candidate win, and Bernie's not their man.




As I said, this isn't an ordinary election. I think young people are energized and enthusiastic. It takes a lot to caucus in Iowa though. One thing I noticed is that the weather is supposed to be particularly bad that day, and I think young people are more inclined to drive in shitty weather than older people, so there is that! :smile:


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22836947 - 01/29/16 12:19 AM (8 years, 2 days ago)

I hope you're right!  :smile:


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22836997 - 01/29/16 12:46 AM (8 years, 2 days ago)

Falcon: you just made a pretty emphatic argument in favor of market economics and the price mechanism (concerning your posts about Vegas odds making)

Betting lines are pretty similar to stock prices. I guess there would be one more wrinkle in the market. Stock value being relative to earnings & performance reports, weighed against investor expectations.

The main difference is Vegas wants to balance the money for and against (shareholders and short sellers in our analogy). It's still a price point though and representative of the median. Ultimately the price mechanism goes back smithian Econ and "the invisible hand," correcting bubbles and undervaluation. In order for these conditions  to exist though there has to be economic freedom and more importantly fair play.

This is where I drop off from the republicans in their love for capitalism; further more I reject the notion that the average voter/politician can even argue economics effectively, citation being their abject hatred for the mention of the word "socialism." But for the ones that can (talking to you Hayek you pussy, same with you Chicago school lackeys! :lol:"

Time and time again the market has proven how inefficient it becomes when lacking that Keynesian influence that says "hey we gotta limit the power of scale from rigging the markets, and start busting up these uncompetitive firms. Less we have artificial price gouging and nth times the bubble."

Or in real life. Making millions of subprime mortgage loans then secretly trading these securities that you damn well know are toxic as principle to larger banks for your own risky loans. Oy vey. What a mess

Thank god for the Elizabeth warrens of the world
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: elax420] * 1
    #22837033 - 01/29/16 01:04 AM (8 years, 2 days ago)

I agree.

Speaking of Elizabeth Warren, why has she been so quiet this election?  I would think she definitely favors Sanders, but she won't come out and say it.

I suspect she might have made some kind of deal with Clinton early on - to stay out of the race in exchange for something later (maybe a Vice Presidency?)  Of course, I don't know that, but it just seems odd that someone with ideals so close to Sanders isn't backing him now.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: elax420] * 3
    #22837727 - 01/29/16 08:43 AM (8 years, 2 days ago)

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Time and time again the market has proven how inefficient it becomes when lacking that Keynesian influence that says "hey we gotta limit the power of scale from rigging the markets, and start busting up these uncompetitive firms. Less we have artificial price gouging and nth times the bubble."




Good post. I wanted to point out this portion of your post, because this really gets to the root of the problem, and speaks to why I am a Socialist.

The logic behind Capitalism and Free Markets sounds reasonable enough, and many a great mind has been beguiled by it. Marx saw the forest for the trees though. He understood the long-term ramifications of the system, and clearly outlined why it would be dysfunctional. In most of his arguments, he has been proven right, time and time again. Reading Marx's projections of the future of Capitalism is like reading the nowaday history of Capitalism.

This Keynesian element is what's needed to curb the ills of Capitalism, keep the gears lubed up, and fix the broken structure of our misplaced ideals. However, every time we 'save' Capitalism through Keynesian economics, the work is quickly undone by greed, corruption, and a generally lackadaisical public. The Keynesian approach is like putting a bandaid on a gun wound. It will patch the hole for a minute, but what's really needed is surgery baby!

I would like to see a worker cooperative revolution in America. Even worker takeovers of businesses like in Argentina. I want to see that happen in Detroit. I want the workers to take back the businesses that they subsidized with their tax dollars for decades. I'm from MI, but now I live in WA, and Boeing is doing Seattle the same dirty way, in some respects. They are very heavily subsidized by the community, and they are still outsourcing work, and they just built a plant down in South Carolina, I believe.

I want to see America turn a new leaf. Lets stop patching these holes in this system that doesn't work. Let's learn from the mistakes of the collectivist movements of the past. Let's learn what works, or take our own new approach... but I want a better deal!

Sanders is a Keynesian Capitalist, btw, not a fucking Socialist!


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #22837738 - 01/29/16 08:50 AM (8 years, 2 days ago)

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I agree.

Speaking of Elizabeth Warren, why has she been so quiet this election?  I would think she definitely favors Sanders, but she won't come out and say it.

I suspect she might have made some kind of deal with Clinton early on - to stay out of the race in exchange for something later (maybe a Vice Presidency?)  Of course, I don't know that, but it just seems odd that someone with ideals so close to Sanders isn't backing him now.




Have you watched this video of Elizabeth Warren defending Clinton backstabbing her?



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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #22837803 - 01/29/16 09:17 AM (8 years, 2 days ago)

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I agree.

Speaking of Elizabeth Warren, why has she been so quiet this election?  I would think she definitely favors Sanders, but she won't come out and say it.

I suspect she might have made some kind of deal with Clinton early on - to stay out of the race in exchange for something later (maybe a Vice Presidency?)  Of course, I don't know that, but it just seems odd that someone with ideals so close to Sanders isn't backing him now.





She very well could be preparing for her own future presidential run. No need to piss of the establishment this early in the game


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22838250 - 01/29/16 12:20 PM (8 years, 2 days ago)

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I agree.

Speaking of Elizabeth Warren, why has she been so quiet this election?  I would think she definitely favors Sanders, but she won't come out and say it.

I suspect she might have made some kind of deal with Clinton early on - to stay out of the race in exchange for something later (maybe a Vice Presidency?)  Of course, I don't know that, but it just seems odd that someone with ideals so close to Sanders isn't backing him now.




I agree, its weird.

I heard someone on here say that they thought Biden/Warren would come in at the last minute to get the nomination if Clinton's FBI stuff takes her out of the race.

Who knows?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #22838368 - 01/29/16 01:07 PM (8 years, 2 days ago)

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Have you watched this video of Elizabeth Warren defending Clinton backstabbing her?





No, I haven't seen that.  Thanks for posting!

For those who didn't have 5 min to watch, Warren talks about how Hillary was very much against a bankruptcy bill when she was First Lady because it made it too difficult for people to claim bankruptcy.  Then when she became a senator, the big banks bought her out, and suddenly she was in favor of the bill.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #22838475 - 01/29/16 01:37 PM (8 years, 2 days ago)

Jake Quinn endorses Bernie

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/opinion/contributors/2016/01/29/guest-columnist-breaking-toward-bernie/79511050/
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I am a member of the Democratic National Committee, and I believe a Democratic presidency is our best hope for fixing the problems we face. We’ve seen, however, that the president cannot do it alone. He or she will also need a Congress that works. Democrats must choose a presidential nominee that will help other Democrats get elected. We must select a nominee who will inspire people, not only to vote, but also to make phone calls and knock on doors.

Sanders is the only candidate leading a people-powered campaign to revolutionize politics. It offers a special opportunity to the Democratic Party to broaden its appeal.

We need to shake things up in the District of Columbia and Raleigh, if we want to get our nation and our state back on track. Serious changes need to be made and the time is now. Sanders has the experience, the vision and the energy to move this country and our state forward.

That’s why I am proud to endorse Sen. Bernie Sanders. I am “feeling the Bern,” and ask you to join me in helping him get elected as the next president of the United States.




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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22839252 - 01/29/16 04:50 PM (8 years, 2 days ago)

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Jake Quinn endorses Bernie

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/opinion/contributors/2016/01/29/guest-columnist-breaking-toward-bernie/79511050/
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I am a member of the Democratic National Committee, and I believe a Democratic presidency is our best hope for fixing the problems we face. We’ve seen, however, that the president cannot do it alone. He or she will also need a Congress that works. Democrats must choose a presidential nominee that will help other Democrats get elected. We must select a nominee who will inspire people, not only to vote, but also to make phone calls and knock on doors.

Sanders is the only candidate leading a people-powered campaign to revolutionize politics. It offers a special opportunity to the Democratic Party to broaden its appeal.

We need to shake things up in the District of Columbia and Raleigh, if we want to get our nation and our state back on track. Serious changes need to be made and the time is now. Sanders has the experience, the vision and the energy to move this country and our state forward.

That’s why I am proud to endorse Sen. Bernie Sanders. I am “feeling the Bern,” and ask you to join me in helping him get elected as the next president of the United States.







Never heard of Mr. Quinn before, but I like him :wink:


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #22841734 - 01/30/16 10:34 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

He makes a good point.

The Democrats just need to pull an LBJ, set asides their biases, and put themselves on the right side of history.

This massive support isnt going away if Bernie loses the nomination, and they had better get that through their skulls.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22901187 - 02/13/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I can't say I'm surprised, I found this article today with some interesting distinctions between the US and Scandinavia

Needless to say, y'all are being played...

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When is the last time you were in Denmark? Or Norway? Or Sweden?

If you have had the pleasure of visiting these lovely places you may have noticed something really odd. Nobody there talks the way Bernie Sanders talks.

Sanders frequently points to northern European countries, especially Denmark, as examples of how he would like to remake the United States economy – by which he mainly means higher taxes and more social services. But the main difference between the tax systems of the US and Denmark is not high taxes on the rich. It’s higher taxes on the middle class. (See my previous post on this.)

By and large, people in Denmark do not demonize the rich. They don’t think that successful people are the reason why average incomes aren’t higher. Nor are they clamoring to confiscate the wealth of those at the top of the income ladder.

Take inheritance taxes. The US has higher estate taxes than virtually any country in Europe. According to the Tax Foundation, our top estate tax rate is 40%. In the Netherlands it’s 20%. In Denmark it’s 15%. In Norway and Sweden, there is no estate tax!

Here is Bernie Sanders on the campaign trail:

In the last 30 years in America there has been a massive redistribution of wealth. The problem is it’s gone in the wrong direction. Trillions of dollars go from the pockets of working families, trillions of dollars, into the bank accounts of the top one tenth of one percent and brothers and sisters, you and I together are gonna change the flow of that revenue!

And although she is not nearly as bad, Sanders has managed to pull Hillary Clinton in the direction of this same world view. For example, she has repeatedly claimed that “the deck is stacked,” with “the wealthy getting wealthier at the expense of hard-working families.”

is what I call barnyard Marxism. It’s the view that all wealth is theft. It’s the view that there is no essential difference between making money in the marketplace and robbing a bank. It’s rhetoric designed to divide. Sanders in particular employs the same kind of attacks on the rich that anti-Semites use in attacking Jews, that white southern racists used to use in attacking blacks, that nativists use to attack immigrants and that demagogues all over the world use to find scapegoats for the problems of ordinary people.

As Bret Stephens wrote in the Wall Street Journal, “The Vermont socialist preaches class hatred to crowds besotted by the politics of envy.”

The coded message is: if you lost your job, if you wages have been stagnant, if you have trouble making ends meet – it’s not your fault; it’s the fault of the scapegoat.

It is also pure bunk.

Bill Gates is estimated to be the world’s richest man. J. K. Rowling is estimated to be the world’s richest woman. Did either of these two ever take money out of your pockets?

Gates got rich by providing the software that I am using at this very moment as I create this editorial. It’s well worth what I had to pay for it. Rowling got rich because people all over the world like to read Harry Potter novels and enjoy watching Harry Potter movies. How could anyone object to that?

If we look down the list of the 400 richest Americans, it is remarkable that 69% are self-made. They started with virtually nothing and became billionaires. How did they do it? Jeff Bezos founded Amazon. Sergey Brin created Google with Larry Page. Mark Zuckerberg created Facebook.Phil Knight created Nike. And so on.

Last time I looked, there is no gun pointing at any one’s head forcing them to buy from Amazon. No one requires you to use Facebook or to wear Nike sneakers. And no one has to use the Google search engine. All of these people got rich by meeting our needs better than other people could meet our needs.

Almost all American billionaires are philanthropists. At last count, 141 of them have pledged to give half their wealth away. Warren Buffett is giving 95% away. Bill Gates is giving 99%. I’m sure it will be much better spent than if it were in the hands of bureaucrats in Washington, D.C.

Bernie Sanders hates the idea of competition and the profit motive. He would like to remove the private sector entirely from the health care system, for example. Social democrats in northern Europe have a different view. One reason Denmark is so successful economically, despite its high taxes, is that it freely endorses deregulation, privatization and letting markets do what only they can do well – allocate resources.

There are, however, places in the world where the Sanders’ rhetoric accurately describes reality. These are places where the people at the top really have stolen everything they have from those at the bottom. They are places where the luxurious lifestyle of those at the top really is oppressing those below them.

Ironically the very worst examples are Marxist countries, where leaders came to power using the very same rhetoric Bernie Sanders uses.

Fidel Castro’s former bodyguard Juan Reinaldo Sánchez says that the communist leader “lived like a king” and “ran country like a cross between medieval overlord and Louis XV.” While ordinary Cubans stood in breadlines and suffered the effects of a declining economy, Castro had his own private yacht and his own private island -- a luxury Caribbean getaway, complete with dolphins and a turtle farm. In Havana, he lived in an immense estate with a rooftop bowling alley, a basketball court and fully equipped medical center.

While his fellow countrymen are starving to death, North Korean communist leader Kim Jong-un has managed to slip by international sanctions and import $2.09 billion in luxury goods from China between 2012 and 2014, according to The New York Times. The items include Mercedes-Benz S-Class cars and a luxury yacht worth as much as $6 million. More recently, he imported the materials needed to construct a world class ski resort. As far as I can tell, the only skier who will use it is Kim Jong-un himself.

According to Hong Kong-based historian, Frank Dikötter, Chinese communist leader Mao Tse-tung was the greatest mass murderer in world history. “At least 45 million people were worked, starved or beaten to death,” he writes. “It was like [the Cambodian communist dictator] Pol Pot's genocide multiplied 20 times over."

In a book written by Mao’sown personal physician, Dr. Li Zhisui writes:

Despite his populist pretensions, Mao lived like a traditional emperor with all the material comforts that China could afford. His physical needs were taken care of by attendants recruited from young, uneducated peasants, who bathed and clothed him and combed his hair …. [He] indulged in young women--sometimes more than one at the same time -- and … even had a special bed made for his sexual activity…

The world’s second greatest mass murderer, Josef Stalin killed 20 million, many by forced starvation. Stalin himself had no fear of starvation, however. Upon his death, he was worth an estimated $75 million.

On his death, Mao Tse-tung was worth an estimated $1 billion. Mao’s granddaughter has been named to China’s rich list, with a fortune of nearly £530 million.

During the reign of avowed Marxist, Hugo Chavez, Venezuela drowned in a sea of corruption involving “some of the most senior figures in Mr. Chávez’s “Bolivarian revolution,’” according to The Economist. The country is ranked as the eighth most graft ridden country in the world. Even places like Haiti and Zimbabwe rank higher.

Although Chavez is now dead, according to Venezuelan media sources his daughter, María Gabriela Chávez, has bank accounts in the U.S. and Andorra with assets totaling nearly $4.2 billion – making her the richest individual in Venezuela.

And what about ordinary Venezuelans? In a New York Times report, Nicholas Casey writes:

In the capital, water is so expensive and scarce that residents wait for hours with bottles at the side of a mountain where it trickles out onto the highway.

In the countryside, sugar cane fields rot, and milk factories stand idle, even as people carry bags of money around to buy food on the black market in every city and town…

Inflation is expected to hit 720 percent this year, the highest in the world.

R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the government in the country where they lived.

It is amazing how many of the people responsible for this carnage used the exact same language Bernie Sanders is now using in coming to power. They promised to redistribute wealth. And they did. A lot of it to themselves.


It is also pure bunk.

Bill Gates is estimated to be the world’s richest man. J. K. Rowling is estimated to be the world’s richest woman. Did either of these two ever take money out of your pockets?

Gates got rich by providing the software that I am using at this very moment as I create this editorial. It’s well worth what I had to pay for it. Rowling got rich because people all over the world like to read Harry Potter novels and enjoy watching Harry Potter movies. How could anyone object to that?

If we look down the list of the 400 richest Americans, it is remarkable that 69% are self-made. They started with virtually nothing and became billionaires. How did they do it? Jeff Bezos founded Amazon. Sergey Brin created Google with Larry Page. Mark Zuckerberg created Facebook.Phil Knight created Nike. And so on.

Last time I looked, there is no gun pointing at any one’s head forcing them to buy from Amazon. No one requires you to use Facebook or to wear Nike sneakers. And no one has to use the Google search engine. All of these people got rich by meeting our needs better than other people could meet our needs.

Almost all American billionaires are philanthropists. At last count, 141 of them have pledged to give half their wealth away. Warren Buffett is giving 95% away. Bill Gates is giving 99%. I’m sure it will be much better spent than if it were in the hands of bureaucrats in Washington, D.C.

Bernie Sanders hates the idea of competition and the profit motive. He would like to remove the private sector entirely from the health care system, for example. Social democrats in northern Europe have a different view. One reason Denmark is so successful economically, despite its high taxes, is that it freely endorses deregulation, privatization and letting markets do what only they can do well – allocate resources.

There are, however, places in the world where the Sanders’ rhetoric accurately describes reality. These are places where the people at the top really have stolen everything they have from those at the bottom. They are places where the luxurious lifestyle of those at the top really is oppressing those below them.

Ironically the very worst examples are Marxist countries, where leaders came to power using the very same rhetoric Bernie Sanders uses.

Fidel Castro’s former bodyguard Juan Reinaldo Sánchez says that the communist leader “lived like a king” and “ran country like a cross between medieval overlord and Louis XV.” While ordinary Cubans stood in breadlines and suffered the effects of a declining economy, Castro had his own private yacht and his own private island -- a luxury Caribbean getaway, complete with dolphins and a turtle farm. In Havana, he lived in an immense estate with a rooftop bowling alley, a basketball court and fully equipped medical center.

While his fellow countrymen are starving to death, North Korean communist leader Kim Jong-un has managed to slip by international sanctions and import $2.09 billion in luxury goods from China between 2012 and 2014, according to The New York Times. The items include Mercedes-Benz S-Class cars and a luxury yacht worth as much as $6 million. More recently, he imported the materials needed to construct a world class ski resort. As far as I can tell, the only skier who will use it is Kim Jong-un himself.

According to Hong Kong-based historian, Frank Dikötter, Chinese communist leader Mao Tse-tung was the greatest mass murderer in world history. “At least 45 million people were worked, starved or beaten to death,” he writes. “It was like [the Cambodian communist dictator] Pol Pot's genocide multiplied 20 times over."

In a book written by Mao’sown personal physician, Dr. Li Zhisui writes:

Despite his populist pretensions, Mao lived like a traditional emperor with all the material comforts that China could afford. His physical needs were taken care of by attendants recruited from young, uneducated peasants, who bathed and clothed him and combed his hair …. [He] indulged in young women--sometimes more than one at the same time -- and … even had a special bed made for his sexual activity…

The world’s second greatest mass murderer, Josef Stalin killed 20 million, many by forced starvation. Stalin himself had no fear of starvation, however. Upon his death, he was worth an estimated $75 million.

On his death, Mao Tse-tung was worth an estimated $1 billion. Mao’s granddaughter has been named to China’s rich list, with a fortune of nearly £530 million.

During the reign of avowed Marxist, Hugo Chavez, Venezuela drowned in a sea of corruption involving “some of the most senior figures in Mr. Chávez’s “Bolivarian revolution,’” according to The Economist. The country is ranked as the eighth most graft ridden country in the world. Even places like Haiti and Zimbabwe rank higher.

Although Chavez is now dead, according to Venezuelan media sources his daughter, María Gabriela Chávez, has bank accounts in the U.S. and Andorra with assets totaling nearly $4.2 billion – making her the richest individual in Venezuela.

And what about ordinary Venezuelans? In a New York Times report, Nicholas Casey writes:

In the capital, water is so expensive and scarce that residents wait for hours with bottles at the side of a mountain where it trickles out onto the highway.

In the countryside, sugar cane fields rot, and milk factories stand idle, even as people carry bags of money around to buy food on the black market in every city and town…

Inflation is expected to hit 720 percent this year, the highest in the world.

R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the government in the country where they lived.

It is amazing how many of the people responsible for this carnage used the exact same language Bernie Sanders is now using in coming to power. They promised to redistribute wealth. And they did. A lot of it to themselves.

or it. Rowling got rich because people all over the world like to read Harry Potter novels and enjoy watching Harry Potter movies. How could anyone object to that?

If we look down the list of the 400 richest Americans, it is remarkable that 69% are self-made. They started with virtually nothing and became billionaires. How did they do it? Jeff Bezos founded Amazon. Sergey Brin created Google with Larry Page. Mark Zuckerberg created Facebook.Phil Knight created Nike. And so on.

Last time I looked, there is no gun pointing at any one’s head forcing them to buy from Amazon. No one requires you to use Facebook or to wear Nike sneakers. And no one has to use the Google search engine. All of these people got rich by meeting our needs better than other people could meet our needs.

Almost all American billionaires are philanthropists. At last count, 141 of them have pledged to give half their wealth away. Warren Buffett is giving 95% away. Bill Gates is giving 99%. I’m sure it will be much better spent than if it were in the hands of bureaucrats in Washington, D.C.

Bernie Sanders hates the idea of competition and the profit motive. He would like to remove the private sector entirely from the health care system, for example. Social democrats in northern Europe have a different view. One reason Denmark is so successful economically, despite its high taxes, is that it freely endorses deregulation, privatization and letting markets do what only they can do well – allocate resources.

There are, however, places in the world where the Sanders’ rhetoric accurately describes reality. These are places where the people at the top really have stolen everything they have from those at the bottom. They are places where the luxurious lifestyle of those at the top really is oppressing those below them.

Ironically the very worst examples are Marxist countries, where leaders came to power using the very same rhetoric Bernie Sanders uses.

Fidel Castro’s former bodyguard Juan Reinaldo Sánchez says that the communist leader “lived like a king” and “ran country like a cross between medieval overlord and Louis XV.” While ordinary Cubans stood in breadlines and suffered the effects of a declining economy, Castro had his own private yacht and his own private island -- a luxury Caribbean getaway, complete with dolphins and a turtle farm. In Havana, he lived in an immense estate with a rooftop bowling alley, a basketball court and fully equipped medical center.

While his fellow countrymen are starving to death, North Korean communist leader Kim Jong-un has managed to slip by international sanctions and import $2.09 billion in luxury goods from China between 2012 and 2014, according to The New York Times. The items include Mercedes-Benz S-Class cars and a luxury yacht worth as much as $6 million. More recently, he imported the materials needed to construct a world class ski resort. As far as I can tell, the only skier who will use it is Kim Jong-un himself.

According to Hong Kong-based historian, Frank Dikötter, Chinese communist leader Mao Tse-tung was the greatest mass murderer in world history. “At least 45 million people were worked, starved or beaten to death,” he writes. “It was like [the Cambodian communist dictator] Pol Pot's genocide multiplied 20 times over."

In a book written by Mao’sown personal physician, Dr. Li Zhisui writes:

Despite his populist pretensions, Mao lived like a traditional emperor with all the material comforts that China could afford. His physical needs were taken care of by attendants recruited from young, uneducated peasants, who bathed and clothed him and combed his hair …. [He] indulged in young women--sometimes more than one at the same time -- and … even had a special bed made for his sexual activity…

The world’s second greatest mass murderer, Josef Stalin killed 20 million, many by forced starvation. Stalin himself had no fear of starvation, however. Upon his death, he was worth an estimated $75 million.

On his death, Mao Tse-tung was worth an estimated $1 billion. Mao’s granddaughter has been named to China’s rich list, with a fortune of nearly £530 million.

During the reign of avowed Marxist, Hugo Chavez, Venezuela drowned in a sea of corruption involving “some of the most senior figures in Mr. Chávez’s “Bolivarian revolution,’” according to The Economist. The country is ranked as the eighth most graft ridden country in the world. Even places like Haiti and Zimbabwe rank higher.

Although Chavez is now dead, according to Venezuelan media sources his daughter, María Gabriela Chávez, has bank accounts in the U.S. and Andorra with assets totaling nearly $4.2 billion – making her the richest individual in Venezuela.

And what about ordinary Venezuelans? In a New York Times report, Nicholas Casey writes:

In the capital, water is so expensive and scarce that residents wait for hours with bottles at the side of a mountain where it trickles out onto the highway.

In the countryside, sugar cane fields rot, and milk factories stand idle, even as people carry bags of money around to buy food on the black market in every city and town…

Inflation is expected to hit 720 percent this year, the highest in the world.

R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the government in the country where they lived.

It is amazing how many of the people responsible for this carnage used the exact same language Bernie Sanders is now using in coming to power. They promised to redistribute wealth. And they did. A lot of it to themselves.

is what I call barnyard Marxism. It’s the view that all wealth is theft. It’s the view that there is no essential difference between making money in the marketplace and robbing a bank. It’s rhetoric designed to divide. Sanders in particular employs the same kind of attacks on the rich that anti-Semites use in attacking Jews, that white southern racists used to use in attacking blacks, that nativists use to attack immigrants and that demagogues all over the world use to find scapegoats for the problems of ordinary people.

As Bret Stephens wrote in the Wall Street Journal, “The Vermont socialist preaches class hatred to crowds besotted by the politics of envy.”

The coded message is: if you lost your job, if you wages have been stagnant, if you have trouble making ends meet – it’s not your fault; it’s the fault of the scapegoat.

It is also pure bunk.

Bill Gates is estimated to be the world’s richest man. J. K. Rowling is estimated to be the world’s richest woman. Did either of these two ever take money out of your pockets?

Gates got rich by providing the software that I am using at this very moment as I create this editorial. It’s well worth what I had to pay for it. Rowling got rich because people all over the world like to read Harry Potter novels and enjoy watching Harry Potter movies. How could anyone object to that?

If we look down the list of the 400 richest Americans, it is remarkable that 69% are self-made. They started with virtually nothing and became billionaires. How did they do it? Jeff Bezos founded Amazon. Sergey Brin created Google with Larry Page. Mark Zuckerberg created Facebook.Phil Knight created Nike. And so on.

Last time I looked, there is no gun pointing at any one’s head forcing them to buy from Amazon. No one requires you to use Facebook or to wear Nike sneakers. And no one has to use the Google search engine. All of these people got rich by meeting our needs better than other people could meet our needs.

Almost all American billionaires are philanthropists. At last count, 141 of them have pledged to give half their wealth away. Warren Buffett is giving 95% away. Bill Gates is giving 99%. I’m sure it will be much better spent than if it were in the hands of bureaucrats in Washington, D.C.

Bernie Sanders hates the idea of competition and the profit motive. He would like to remove the private sector entirely from the health care system, for example. Social democrats in northern Europe have a different view. One reason Denmark is so successful economically, despite its high taxes, is that it freely endorses deregulation, privatization and letting markets do what only they can do well – allocate resources.

There are, however, places in the world where the Sanders’ rhetoric accurately describes reality. These are places where the people at the top really have stolen everything they have from those at the bottom. They are places where the luxurious lifestyle of those at the top really is oppressing those below them.

Ironically the very worst examples are Marxist countries, where leaders came to power using the very same rhetoric Bernie Sanders uses.

Fidel Castro’s former bodyguard Juan Reinaldo Sánchez says that the communist leader “lived like a king” and “ran country like a cross between medieval overlord and Louis XV.” While ordinary Cubans stood in breadlines and suffered the effects of a declining economy, Castro had his own private yacht and his own private island -- a luxury Caribbean getaway, complete with dolphins and a turtle farm. In Havana, he lived in an immense estate with a rooftop bowling alley, a basketball court and fully equipped medical center.

While his fellow countrymen are starving to death, North Korean communist leader Kim Jong-un has managed to slip by international sanctions and import $2.09 billion in luxury goods from China between 2012 and 2014, according to The New York Times. The items include Mercedes-Benz S-Class cars and a luxury yacht worth as much as $6 million. More recently, he imported the materials needed to construct a world class ski resort. As far as I can tell, the only skier who will use it is Kim Jong-un himself.

According to Hong Kong-based historian, Frank Dikötter, Chinese communist leader Mao Tse-tung was the greatest mass murderer in world history. “At least 45 million people were worked, starved or beaten to death,” he writes. “It was like [the Cambodian communist dictator] Pol Pot's genocide multiplied 20 times over."

In a book written by Mao’sown personal physician, Dr. Li Zhisui writes:

Despite his populist pretensions, Mao lived like a traditional emperor with all the material comforts that China could afford. His physical needs were taken care of by attendants recruited from young, uneducated peasants, who bathed and clothed him and combed his hair …. [He] indulged in young women--sometimes more than one at the same time -- and … even had a special bed made for his sexual activity…

The world’s second greatest mass murderer, Josef Stalin killed 20 million, many by forced starvation. Stalin himself had no fear of starvation, however. Upon his death, he was worth an estimated $75 million.

On his death, Mao Tse-tung was worth an estimated $1 billion. Mao’s granddaughter has been named to China’s rich list, with a fortune of nearly £530 million.

During the reign of avowed Marxist, Hugo Chavez, Venezuela drowned in a sea of corruption involving “some of the most senior figures in Mr. Chávez’s “Bolivarian revolution,’” according to The Economist. The country is ranked as the eighth most graft ridden country in the world. Even places like Haiti and Zimbabwe rank higher.

Although Chavez is now dead, according to Venezuelan media sources his daughter, María Gabriela Chávez, has bank accounts in the U.S. and Andorra with assets totaling nearly $4.2 billion – making her the richest individual in Venezuela.

And what about ordinary Venezuelans? In a New York Times report, Nicholas Casey writes:

In the capital, water is so expensive and scarce that residents wait for hours with bottles at the side of a mountain where it trickles out onto the highway.

In the countryside, sugar cane fields rot, and milk factories stand idle, even as people carry bags of money around to buy food on the black market in every city and town…

Inflation is expected to hit 720 percent this year, the highest in the world.

R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the government in the country where they lived.

It is amazing how many of the people responsible for this carnage used the exact same language Bernie Sanders is now using







http://townhall.com/columnists/johncgoodman/2016/02/13/bernie-sanders-is-not-a-social-democrat-hes-a-marxist-n2118509


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I'm not reading all of that.


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Nor am I.  :crazy2:


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I'm not reading all of that.



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Nor am I.  :crazy2:




HEAD IN SAND?

Bernie says he wants to be like Scandinavia, yet proposes little of what actually makes them prosperous...

But yeah, keep ignoring the truth about the old fuck...


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