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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Shins]
    #22824024 - 01/25/16 06:11 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

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It's funny that people are so heasetant to call bernie a "socialist" yet when in reality he's actually a Communist.  Read about his past, you'll see.  America is going red





Bernie supports a form of state-socialism/capitalism and still supports the american petite bourgeoisie (This is my issue with american liberalism. It's simply a prettier pig). Bernie is an american protectionist in both his trade agreement and military use voting history. 

Bernie does not support overturning the current economic system by instilling a proletariat class dictatorship and then returning it to the workers for a class-less self owned society :shrug:

Read about capitalism/communism, you'll see. You have no idea what communism means. Not that if you did you would buy into it but, quite obviously from your statements, you aren't well acquainted with essential ideas.

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Petite bourgeoisie (French pronunciation: ​[pətit buʁʒwazi]), also petty bourgeoisie (literally small bourgeoisie), is a French term (sometimes derogatory) referring to a social class comprising semi-autonomous peasantry and small-scale merchants whose politico-economic ideological stance is determined by reflecting that of a haute (high) bourgeoisie, with which the petite bourgeoisie seeks to identify itself, and whose bourgeois morality it strives to imitate.[1]
The term is politico-economic, and references historical materialism. It originally denoted a sub-stratum of the middle classes in the 18th and early-19th centuries. In the mid-19th century, the pre-eminient theorist of socio-politico-economy, Karl Marx, and other Marxist theorists used the term petite bourgeoisie to identify the socio-economic stratum of the bourgeoisie that comprised small-scale capitalists such as shop-keepers and workers who manage the production, distribution, and/or exchange of commodities and/or services owned by their bourgeois employers.[2][3]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petite_bourgeoisie


Here's a pretty in-depth charting of political theory that may help here, I would personally put american libertarianism on the right of left nationalist:


And another chart that plays more off the first:


Edited by airclay (01/25/16 07:15 PM)


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #22824275 - 01/25/16 07:06 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

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viktor said:
Surely he could beat Trump in a general election.






I doubt it.  Don't get me wrong, I loathe Trump but I don't control 50 million votes.  If it's between those two mutts I'm writing myself in.  You should write me in, too.




Why write you in, when I know the name and spelling of my neighbors pet Chihuahua?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: airclay] * 2
    #22824283 - 01/25/16 07:08 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

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airclay said:
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Shins said:
It's funny that people are so heasetant to call bernie a "socialist" yet when in reality he's actually a Communist.  Read about his past, you'll see.  America is going red





Bernie supports a form of state-socialism/capitalism and still supports the american petite bourgeoisie (This is my issue with american liberalism. It's simply a prettier pig). Bernie is an american protectionist in both his trade agreement and military use voting history. 

Bernie does not support overturning the current economic system by instilling a proletariat class dictatorship and then returning it to the workers for a class-less self owned society :shrug:

Read about capitalism/communism, you'll see. You have no idea what communism means. Not that if you did you would buy into it but, quite obviously from your statements, you aren't well acquainted with essential ideas.

oh yeah, here ya go:
Quote:

Petite bourgeoisie (French pronunciation: ​[pətit buʁʒwazi]), also petty bourgeoisie (literally small bourgeoisie), is a French term (sometimes derogatory) referring to a social class comprising semi-autonomous peasantry and small-scale merchants whose politico-economic ideological stance is determined by reflecting that of a haute (high) bourgeoisie, with which the petite bourgeoisie seeks to identify itself, and whose bourgeois morality it strives to imitate.[1]
The term is politico-economic, and references historical materialism. It originally denoted a sub-stratum of the middle classes in the 18th and early-19th centuries. In the mid-19th century, the pre-eminient theorist of socio-politico-economy, Karl Marx, and other Marxist theorists used the term petite bourgeoisie to identify the socio-economic stratum of the bourgeoisie that comprised small-scale capitalists such as shop-keepers and workers who manage the production, distribution, and/or exchange of commodities and/or services owned by their bourgeois employers.[2][3]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petite_bourgeoisie




Bernie couldn't take that position. He's basically a Keynesian Capitalist. That's as far left as you are permitted to go in America.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22826609 - 01/26/16 12:35 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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viktor said:
Surely he could beat Trump in a general election.






I doubt it.  Don't get me wrong, I loathe Trump but I don't control 50 million votes.  If it's between those two mutts I'm writing myself in.  You should write me in, too.




Why write you in, when I know the name and spelling of my neighbors pet Chihuahua?



I'm running against a Chihuahua now?  He's not eligible.  He's underage.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22826667 - 01/26/16 12:53 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

Not in dog years.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22826787 - 01/26/16 01:30 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

Dog years aren't real.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #22826840 - 01/26/16 01:54 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

Just like climate change.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22827274 - 01/26/16 04:13 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

The climate is always changing.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22827675 - 01/26/16 06:09 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

Pretty sure Bernie is going to be our next president, Zappa. Sorry bro, better luck next time :wink:


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Shins]
    #22827860 - 01/26/16 07:00 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

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Oh I don't know, how about when assholes raises the price 5000% on a drug just because they can.

Or it cost some in the US $100 a pill and anywhere else is a 25¢.





The only reason drug companies could raises prices like that is if they have government enforced monopolies.



There was no monopoly.  The patent had expired.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22827864 - 01/26/16 07:00 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22827867 - 01/26/16 07:01 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

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Pretty sure Bernie is going to be our next president, Zappa. Sorry bro, better luck next time :wink:



Pretty sure you are drunk.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22827876 - 01/26/16 07:03 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

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Shins said:
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sweeper54 said:
Oh I don't know, how about when assholes raises the price 5000% on a drug just because they can.

Or it cost some in the US $100 a pill and anywhere else is a 25¢.





The only reason drug companies could raises prices like that is if they have government enforced monopolies.



There was no monopoly.



:whathesaid:


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22827931 - 01/26/16 07:13 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

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Pretty sure Bernie is going to be our next president, Zappa. Sorry bro, better luck next time :wink:



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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Enlil]
    #22828390 - 01/26/16 08:50 PM (8 years, 4 days ago)

Since i started paying attention (clinton's second term, i was only 8 for the first one) I've correctly called every presidential election but one (GWB's second term).  My prediction this year is that if Bernie can sweep Iowa and New Hampshire, he will be the next President.  Otherwise, whoever wins the Republican nomination will be the next President.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Enlil]
    #22829250 - 01/27/16 01:47 AM (8 years, 4 days ago)

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Enlil said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
Pretty sure Bernie is going to be our next president, Zappa. Sorry bro, better luck next time :wink:



You're in for a disappointment.



As much as I like Bernie, I put a lot of faith in the betting odds, which as of today (Tuesday night) still gives Hillary a pretty favorable advantage in Iowa, unfortunately.

US Democrat Primaries - Iowa Caucus Betting Odds

But there's still 5 days before Iowa, and anything can happen.  Fortunately, Bernie is HEAVILY favored to win New Hampshire, so maybe that will turn things around?

US Democrat Primaries - New Hampshire Primary Betting Odds


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22829308 - 01/27/16 02:47 AM (8 years, 4 days ago)

...though this chart shows Bernie's timing might just be perfect in Iowa by Monday:



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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #22829322 - 01/27/16 03:04 AM (8 years, 4 days ago)

...just in case there's anyone from Iowa reading this thread, here's a great video from the debate with Bernie calling out Hillary for accepting money from Goldman Sachs.  She wasn't too happy; watch her head bobbing at the end.  :smirk:



Bernie won't be bought.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #22829601 - 01/27/16 07:24 AM (8 years, 4 days ago)

Bernie is the only sane option out of this election, that doesnt guarantee his victory though. I've been watching US politics for longer than 5 mins and thats all it takes to realise it is insane.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #22829837 - 01/27/16 09:22 AM (8 years, 4 days ago)

Another day, and Bernie continues to close the gap.  Timing might just be perfect for Monday's caucus...

2016 Iowa Democratic Presidential Caucus


Interestingly, most of Bernie's gain from yesterday comes from O'Malley losses.


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