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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22495268 - 11/08/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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look guys, i'm not saying that business owners don't work hard to build their business, and i'm not suggesting that we should all be paying a 100% tax rate.
What i am saying is that NOBODY pulls themselves up by their own bootstraps.  People who don't want to pay taxes because "they did all the hard work for that money" are
a. incorrect
b. selfish
c. ignoring the many benefits that they reap from living in a place that has taxes

contributing to the society you live in is nothing like slavery.
only an idiot really smart guy would suggest the comparison





Actually myself and many people like me would do fine without libtards that limit freedom and steal from people using the legal theft system called taxes.

It's people like you that would starve without government.

"nobody pulls themselves up by their own bootstraps" I'm not sure why you think that if the shitmoron government didn't exist then people wouldn't help other people. Very naïve.

Have you ever helped your neighbor without government intervention?




Oh look, he ran way from this. Easy




sometimes people help each other out of the goodness of their hearts.
it certainly isn't reliable.
why do you think SSI was implemented in the first place?
do you think it was because the churches were doing such a great job of helping the impoverished elderly?
How very naive.
Maybe you think that the "captains of industry" were going around helping the less fortunate?
Nope.
But at least private industry tried to employ as many people as they could without exploiting them with slave wages during the depression...oh wait, nevermind, they didn't do that at all.
How many hungry strangers have you fed burgersforbrains?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22495762 - 11/08/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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still waiting for reasons why we should make the (USPS) a bank...



It was in your own article!  Lots of good reasons were given (thanks for posting that, by the way).




Yeah HU, thanks for posting that. I may not have heard about it otherwise.




wow, you support the guy and have no clue what he's planning, don't you research the candidates you support?




I've read a lot about Bernie, but not I don't just sit and read every new article that is posted about him. If it's something interesting, it usually finds its way here :wink:

Thanks again, buddy!


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22496066 - 11/08/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
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burgerbrain said:
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burgerbrain said:
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ballsalsa said:
look guys, i'm not saying that business owners don't work hard to build their business, and i'm not suggesting that we should all be paying a 100% tax rate.
What i am saying is that NOBODY pulls themselves up by their own bootstraps.  People who don't want to pay taxes because "they did all the hard work for that money" are
a. incorrect
b. selfish
c. ignoring the many benefits that they reap from living in a place that has taxes

contributing to the society you live in is nothing like slavery.
only an idiot really smart guy would suggest the comparison





Actually myself and many people like me would do fine without libtards that limit freedom and steal from people using the legal theft system called taxes.

It's people like you that would starve without government.

"nobody pulls themselves up by their own bootstraps" I'm not sure why you think that if the shitmoron government didn't exist then people wouldn't help other people. Very naïve.

Have you ever helped your neighbor without government intervention?




Oh look, he ran way from this. Easy




sometimes people help each other out of the goodness of their hearts.
it certainly isn't reliable.
why do you think SSI was implemented in the first place?
do you think it was because the churches were doing such a great job of helping the impoverished elderly?
How very naive.
Maybe you think that the "captains of industry" were going around helping the less fortunate?
Nope.
But at least private industry tried to employ as many people as they could without exploiting them with slave wages during the depression...oh wait, nevermind, they didn't do that at all.
How many hungry strangers have you fed burgersforbrains?





Derp derp "isn't reliable"



Not everyone is a "captain of industry" most people that give to charity are just average, everyday folks.

Way to ad-hominem there, balls. Not sure why I continue to educate you.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22497193 - 11/08/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You forgot this one...



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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22497985 - 11/08/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:

why do you think SSI was implemented in the first place?




Since you brought that up, do you think we can agree that the SSI is for the people that paid into it from there earnings all their lives?

And with that established, why don't people pressure congress to quit stealing the fucking money from the 'Trust Fund?'

If we have private trust fund and the Trustee Loots it, he goes to jail. :shrug:

So, in response your question I will post what the SSI was NOT implemented for.

It wasn't implemented so politicians have a private Slush fund to spend as the wish--including giving favors to companies who helped get them elected.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22498481 - 11/08/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

We can agree - politicians shouldn't have raided SSI.  Nice red herring.

SSI is still a good program for those receiving it.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22499328 - 11/09/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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And with that established, why don't people pressure congress to quit stealing the fucking money from the 'Trust Fund?'




I don't vote for assholes that steal SSI :shrug:


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22499471 - 11/09/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:
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starfire_xes said:
And with that established, why don't people pressure congress to quit stealing the fucking money from the 'Trust Fund?'




I don't vote for assholes that steal SSI :shrug:




So... You don't vote?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22499539 - 11/09/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
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paperbackwriter said:
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starfire_xes said:
And with that established, why don't people pressure congress to quit stealing the fucking money from the 'Trust Fund?'




I don't vote for assholes that steal SSI :shrug:




So... You don't vote?




I suppose this would be true if I limited my voting pool to Republicans.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22499829 - 11/09/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:
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hostileuniverse said:
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paperbackwriter said:
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starfire_xes said:
And with that established, why don't people pressure congress to quit stealing the fucking money from the 'Trust Fund?'




I don't vote for assholes that steal SSI :shrug:




So... You don't vote?




I suppose this would be true if I limited my voting pool to Republicans.




And you're really naive enough to believe it was only republicans?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22499951 - 11/09/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't say it was only republicans.

I said I don't vote for assholes that steal SSI.

You're pretty close to getting ignored dude.  If you want honest debate I'm for it but don't fucking troll me.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22499983 - 11/09/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:
I didn't say it was only republicans.

I said I don't vote for assholes that steal SSI.

You're pretty close to getting ignored dude.  If you want honest debate I'm for it but don't fucking troll me.




Do it!

Unlike some around here, I'm not gonna cry and flame if you do...

Anyways, my point was that both parties have raided the SSI trust fund, but hey, keep demonizing the GOP for it...


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22499984 - 11/09/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:
I didn't say it was only republicans.

I said I don't vote for assholes that steal SSI.

You're pretty close to getting ignored dude.  If you want honest debate I'm for it but don't fucking troll me.




But hasn't every President and Congressman since the beginning of the SS program spent that money?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22499998 - 11/09/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
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ballsalsa said:

why do you think SSI was implemented in the first place?




Since you brought that up, do you think we can agree that the SSI is for the people that paid into it from there earnings all their lives?






https://www.ssa.gov/history/imf.html
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The First Social Security Beneficiary

Ida May Fuller was the first beneficiary of recurring monthly Social Security payments. Miss Fuller (known as Aunt Ida to her friends and family) was born on September 6, 1874 on a farm outside of Ludlow, Vermont. She attended school in Rutland, Vermont where one of her classmates was Calvin Coolidge. In 1905, after working as a school teacher, she became a legal secretary. One of the partners in the firm, John G. Sargent, would later become Attorney General in the Coolidge Administration.

Ida May never married and had no children. She lived alone most of her life, but spent eight years near the end of her life living with her niece, Hazel Perkins, and her family in Brattleboro, Vermont.

Miss Fuller filed her retirement claim on November 4, 1939, having worked under Social Security for a little short of three years. While running an errand she dropped by the Rutland Social Security office to ask about possible benefits. She would later observe: "It wasn't that I expected anything, mind you, but I knew I'd been paying for something called Social Security and I wanted to ask the people in Rutland about it."

Her claim was taken by Claims Clerk, Elizabeth Corcoran Burke, and transmitted to the Claims Division in Washington, D.C. for adjudication. The case was adjudicated and reviewed and sent to the Treasury Department for payment in January 1940. The claims were grouped in batches of 1,000 and a Certification List for each batch was sent to Treasury. Miss Fuller's claim was the first one on the first Certification List and so the first Social Security check, check number 00-000-001, was issued to Ida May Fuller in the amount of $22.54 and dated January 31, 1940.




https://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html
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Q1:  When did Social Security start?

A: The Social Security Act was signed by FDR on 8/14/35. Taxes were collected for the first time in January 1937 and the first one-time, lump-sum payments were made that same month. Regular ongoing monthly benefits started in January 1940.




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Q4:  Is it true that Social Security was originally just a retirement program?

A:  Yes. Under the 1935 law, what we now think of as Social Security only paid retirement benefits to the primary worker. A 1939 change in the law added survivors benefits and benefits for the retiree's spouse and children. In 1956 disability benefits were added.

Keep in mind, however, that the Social Security Act itself was much broader than just the program which today we commonly describe as "Social Security." The original 1935 law contained the first national unemployment compensation program, aid to the states for various health and welfare programs, and the Aid to Dependent Children program.




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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22500042 - 11/09/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Anyways, my point was that both parties have raided the SSI trust fund, but hey, keep demonizing the GOP for it...




:youthemandawg:


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22500287 - 11/09/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
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ballsalsa said:

why do you think SSI was implemented in the first place?




Since you brought that up, do you think we can agree that the SSI is for the people that paid into it from there earnings all their lives?

And with that established, why don't people pressure congress to quit stealing the fucking money from the 'Trust Fund?'

If we have private trust fund and the Trustee Loots it, he goes to jail. :shrug:

So, in response your question I will post what the SSI was NOT implemented for.

It wasn't implemented so politicians have a private Slush fund to spend as the wish--including giving favors to companies who helped get them elected.





Agreed. And since it was raided to fund welfare projects for wealthy donors, the cap on ssi taxable income should be lifted in order to maintain such a wonderful program. Bernie Sanders wants to do this. Let's make sure he has the opportunity. Don't forget to get out and vote in he primaries! :wink:


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #22500310 - 11/09/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

feel the Bern


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22500395 - 11/09/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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feel the Bern




Feel the motherfuckin BERN! :wink:


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #22500538 - 11/09/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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feel the Bern




Feel the motherfuckin BERN! :wink:






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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22519854 - 11/13/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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feel the Bern




Feel the motherfuckin BERN! :wink:









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