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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22105906 - 08/18/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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One of the main problems we have today that complicates the whole issue is globalization.  US companies use cheaper labor outside of the country while also finding new consumers in the global market, they are no longer dependent on their own labor/non labor having consumer spending power.

Even during the Great Depression companies were very concerned with labor's ability to help the economy, that mindset is no longer there with the onset of globalization.




Globalization is the crowning achievement of the uber wealth class running the global multinationals allowing predatory capitalism to go to it's highest level of exploiting cheap resources and labor and funneling as much money as possible to the fewest people possible. 

What's even more remarkable is how they have convinced so many to repeat their idiotic slogans day after day to get voters to vote against their best interests.

Globalism's number one belief is to privatize the profits and socialize the risks/costs.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22105934 - 08/18/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22105957 - 08/18/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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One of the main problems we have today that complicates the whole issue is globalization.  US companies use cheaper labor outside of the country while also finding new consumers in the global market, they are no longer dependent on their own labor/non labor having consumer spending power.

Even during the Great Depression companies were very concerned with labor's ability to help the economy, that mindset is no longer there with the onset of globalization.




Globalization is the crowning achievement of the uber wealth class running the global multinationals allowing predatory capitalism to go to it's highest level of exploiting cheap resources and labor and funneling as much money as possible to the fewest people possible. 

What's even more remarkable is how they have convinced so many to repeat their idiotic slogans day after day to get voters to vote against their best interests.

Globalism's number one belief is to privatize the profits and socialize the risks/costs.




I just think people are very confused when it comes to "domestic capitalism" and "global capitalism", it's two entirely different things.

When XYZ company makes profits in the US and then uses that money to build a manufacturing plant in China, that's not the "trickle down" economics they thought that was so wonderful, yet many people don't think it's a issue.

I really don't even think it's about voters anymore, both parties are owned by the same interests, it doesn't matter.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22106019 - 08/18/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I just think people are very confused when it comes to "domestic capitalism" and "global capitalism", it's two entirely different things.

When XYZ company makes profits in the US and then uses that money to build a manufacturing plant in China, that's not the "trickle down" economics they thought that was so wonderful, yet many people don't think it's a issue.

I really don't even think it's about voters anymore, both parties are owned by the same interests, it doesn't matter.




Excellent post.  I agree 100%.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22106129 - 08/18/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ah, the hypocrisy.  :lmafo:

Businesses are not there to serve 'labor', 'labor' is there to serve businesses. If the owners of a business wish to involve 'labor', that's their right. Just as it is if they don't wish to. If 'labor' wants an equal stake, let them buy one the same way the shareholders do.

Here's a thought... you and 'labor' start a business. Give 'labor' as much power as you wish.

In the meantime, whining like a child about 'insults' merely adds to the reek of hypocrisy you emit.

You gave no great ideas. You do have laughable ones aplenty though.

"Great ideas"  :laugh2:




Once again, you parrot the nonsense of the Uber Wealth Class that spoon feeds you a belief system that ties you to them like a little puppy.  You mindlessly repeat silly slogans you've been programmed to believe.  You have no ideas, no solutions, just a worn out batch of Uber Wealth Class nonsense that has been proven over and over to increase the wealth gap, buy off politicians, strip the planet of resources, privatize the profits and socialize the risks/costs. 

Grow beyond the slogan parroting.  Think.  Ask yourself why you mindlessly support a predatory wealth class?  You can learn and grow but it takes effort.  It's worth it.




Right. Because it's always the other guy.

:lmafo:

Too many spoiled little pukes with an over-inflated sense of entitlement.

Don't like what the upper class does? become one. Make the changes you seek in your company. Stop dictating what others do.

I am a business owner and have been for decades. Your complaints about a belief system are laughable to one who has been there/done that.

Go back to whatever micro-aggresive campus you came from and demand your money back You got fucked.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22106202 - 08/18/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I am a business owner and have been for decades. Your complaints about a belief system are laughable to one who has been there/done that.






LMFAO!!!!  I'll tell you what, how about a side bet?  I'll bet you right now whatever amount of money you can muster up, that I've owned and sold bigger businesses than you have, have a higher net worth earned in those businesses and have hired double the amount of people you've hired in your lifetime  AS A BUSINESS OWNER.  I will bet you the lifetime profits my companies have owned are at least triple what yours have been.

Have you got the balls to take the bet, bud?  Back up your big talk with your wallet.  I'm financially independent because of companies I started and built.  That's a fact.  I'm not in the Uber-wealth class, but I am certainly in the top 5%.  There's a big difference though between people that have a 5-10 million net worth and those that have 20 billion plus.  You keep missing that.  I've got no problem with wealth, it's super wealth that's destroying our planet.

Anyway, you a gamer for the bet?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22106597 - 08/18/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He will bet you but won't show any proof. I caught him already in a flaky statement. He said his last business made him file not only a federal tax return but also tax returns in 15 states. You do not have to file a tax return in every state you do business in, only the one where your business is based. And only then if they have a state income tax. Says he had exactly 60 employees, a nice round figure wouldn't you say?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22106612 - 08/18/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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He will bet you but won't show any proof. I caught him already in a flaky statement. He said his last business made him file not only a federal tax return but also tax returns in 15 states. You do not have to file a tax return in every state you do business in, only the one where your business is based. And only then if they have a state income tax. Says he had exactly 60 employees, a nice round figure wouldn't you say?




Sorry, dipshiiiiit, but you're wrong again.  If you have a professional services firm and your people travel to a client location and deliver services IN THAT STATE, then you must file a state return there.  Might be some states that don't demand it, but not many.  I've filed corporate tax returns that were 4 inches thick when you stacked them all up with the federal and multiple state returns for that year.  Once again, you know not what you're talking about.  A company is responsible for paying state taxes to that state if the services were delivered WITHIN THEIR STATE.  Get your facts straight or STFU.

In fact, right now, California takes withholding tax out at the time services are delivered if the client is based in California and the delivering company isn't.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22106741 - 08/18/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Now it sounds like you are trying to talk about sales tax or something. You are full of it as usual.

>If you have a professional services firm and your people travel to a client location and deliver services IN THAT STATE, then you must file a state return there. 

Not even sales tax unless you have a physical presence in the state. Some states may require it even if you don't but unless you have a brick and mortar store they do nothing. Amazon for example does not collect sales tax in states where it has no distribution centers and it operates in all states.

Its funny how you get madder and madder the more you get questioned. That's the sign of a mature person for sure. :rolleyes:


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22106765 - 08/18/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Now it sounds like you are trying to talk about sales tax or something. You are full of it as usual.

>If you have a professional services firm and your people travel to a client location and deliver services IN THAT STATE, then you must file a state return there. 

Not even sales tax unless you have a physical presence in the state. Some states may require it even if you don't but unless you have a brick and mortar store they do nothing. Amazon for example does not collect sales tax in states where it has no distribution centers and it operates in all states.

Its funny how you get madder and madder the more you get questioned. That's the sign of a mature person for sure. :rolleyes:




Dude, you are so far out of your league on this topic, it's silly.  Call any accountant and they'll tell you.  Here's a link to California's non resident with holding tax form you idiot.

https://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/2014/14_587.pdf ... you have to fill out this form before companies will pay your bill so California gets their state taxes from people that fly in and do work there.

This is well known information for any company that does business with people traveling to other states to deliver projects/services.  If your company is based say in Arizona and  you travel to Oklahoma to do the work for a company based there, Oklahoma wants its state taxes on the service fee charged while on the ground in their state.

You have no idea what you're talking about.  One year we filed 21 separate state tax returns and our company doesn't charge sales tax.  It has nothing to do with sales tax.  Seriously, for your own good, stop embarrassing yourself on this topic. 


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22107165 - 08/18/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:

I am a business owner and have been for decades. Your complaints about a belief system are laughable to one who has been there/done that.






LMFAO!!!!  I'll tell you what, how about a side bet?  I'll bet you right now whatever amount of money you can muster up, that I've owned and sold bigger businesses than you have, have a higher net worth earned in those businesses and have hired double the amount of people you've hired in your lifetime  AS A BUSINESS OWNER.  I will bet you the lifetime profits my companies have owned are at least triple what yours have been.

Have you got the balls to take the bet, bud?  Back up your big talk with your wallet.  I'm financially independent because of companies I started and built.  That's a fact.  I'm not in the Uber-wealth class, but I am certainly in the top 5%.  There's a big difference though between people that have a 5-10 million net worth and those that have 20 billion plus.  You keep missing that.  I've got no problem with wealth, it's super wealth that's destroying our planet.

Anyway, you a gamer for the bet?



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He will bet you but won't show any proof. I caught him already in a flaky statement. He said his last business made him file not only a federal tax return but also tax returns in 15 states. You do not have to file a tax return in every state you do business in, only the one where your business is based. And only then if they have a state income tax. Says he had exactly 60 employees, a nice round figure wouldn't you say?





I haven't read through all of this, but I dont think you should get ahead of yourself KO. You don't have anything to prove to us buddy, and you should keep your information private. No need to put yourself in jeapardy by exposing yourself too much, friend.

We are waging a war of ideas. This is not a pissing contest. I think we should all refrain from making shit personal. Hard right wing ideas are garbage, which is why America will reject them in his upcoming election. Trump, the party favorite, is center right or maybe even dead center. The country as a whole is moving left, and you would be hard pressed to find any serious economist preaching trickle down nonsense these days.

Qman was right. I think trickle down would be more applicable in a closed system. Maybe even if we killed the free trade deals, though this is just speculation.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22107205 - 08/18/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
Now it sounds like you are trying to talk about sales tax or something. You are full of it as usual.

>If you have a professional services firm and your people travel to a client location and deliver services IN THAT STATE, then you must file a state return there. 

Not even sales tax unless you have a physical presence in the state. Some states may require it even if you don't but unless you have a brick and mortar store they do nothing. Amazon for example does not collect sales tax in states where it has no distribution centers and it operates in all states.

Its funny how you get madder and madder the more you get questioned. That's the sign of a mature person for sure. :rolleyes:




Dude, you are so far out of your league on this topic, it's silly.  Call any accountant and they'll tell you.  Here's a link to California's non resident with holding tax form you idiot.

https://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/2014/14_587.pdf ... you have to fill out this form before companies will pay your bill so California gets their state taxes from people that fly in and do work there.

This is well known information for any company that does business with people traveling to other states to deliver projects/services.  If your company is based say in Arizona and  you travel to Oklahoma to do the work for a company based there, Oklahoma wants its state taxes on the service fee charged while on the ground in their state.

You have no idea what you're talking about.  One year we filed 21 separate state tax returns and our company doesn't charge sales tax.  It has nothing to do with sales tax.  Seriously, for your own good, stop embarrassing yourself on this topic. 




When I moved to Oregon from MI, I had to pay income taxes in both states... not sure it this applies, but I will tell you that I was fucking pissed! That was 4 years ago, and I still never paid MI lol


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22107242 - 08/18/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

KO you moron, I have to talk to you in language you understand because polite language is beyond you. A link to a form proves nothing. Now you are talking about the workers themselves earning money in another state and having to pay income taxes in that state. Are you going to stick with that story or will it change again, idiot?

You said your company had to pay income tax in 15 states. Now its 21 states and rising. You didn't say individual people paid tax. Why on earth would they have to move to that state and do work? Everything is done online now, you said it was some sort of IT work. Get your story straight before you try to bet money you don't have.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22107253 - 08/18/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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KO you moron, I have to talk to you in language you understand because polite language is beyond you. A link to a form proves nothing. Now you are talking about the workers themselves earning money in another state and having to pay income taxes in that state. Are you going to stick with that story or will it change again, idiot?

You said your company had to pay income tax in 15 states. Now its 21 states and rising. You didn't say individual people paid tax. Why on earth would they have to move to that state and do work? Everything is done online now, you said it was some sort of IT work. Get your story straight before you try to bet money you don't have.




Stop the fucking name calling.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22107267 - 08/18/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I can keep it up as long as he does. How come you had nothing to say about his shit? hmmmm?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22107734 - 08/18/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I can keep it up as long as he does. How come you had nothing to say about his shit? hmmmm?




Sorry, I didn't mean to direct that specifically at you, you were just the last one to do it.

In the spirit of the thread (A Bernie Sanders thread), I think we should focus on shitting on eachother's ideas, instead of eachother ;-)


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22108025 - 08/18/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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KO you moron, I have to talk to you in language you understand because polite language is beyond you. A link to a form proves nothing. Now you are talking about the workers themselves earning money in another state and having to pay income taxes in that state. Are you going to stick with that story or will it change again, idiot?

You said your company had to pay income tax in 15 states. Now its 21 states and rising. You didn't say individual people paid tax. Why on earth would they have to move to that state and do work? Everything is done online now, you said it was some sort of IT work. Get your story straight before you try to bet money you don't have.




I don't do IT work nor did I say I ever did.  That form is for COMPANIES and there is a place for a TIN if you' would look at it.  You are hopelessly ignorant if you don't realize that States collect taxes from companies based in other states for work done while employees are traveling into their state and doing billable work.  Sorry bud, you lose this argument.  You may have some little local business, but I had an international one and we did business all over the country, and internationally as well.  I traveled on average 175 days a year all over the world for 12 years.  I probably know a lot more about international business than you do.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22108267 - 08/18/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So Bernies plan is tax the fuck out of the wealthy and give Free Stuff?  And, he is totally against big, corrupt government right? He says over and over that the problem is government cronyism, etc, which I believe

OK.  So, how is going to give Free Stuff, and more Free Stuff, without growing government?  By the way, are ALL corporations going to get the fuck taxed out of them or is the government going to pick the winners and losers, and give license to preferred companies that do the 'right things' in terms of pay and 'fairness'?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22108293 - 08/18/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Your story keeps spinning grander and grander. From 15 to now 21 states you had to pay taxes in, to international. What next?

>I don't do IT work

Then what kind of work?

> States collect taxes from companies based in other states for work done while employees are traveling into their state and doing billable work

You said at first it was income taxes, what is it now? Income taxes in that scenario, assuming there is a need to pay it, would come from the people working in that state. A company pays income taxes to the feds and to the state in which it is based, not to every state that it does business in. Since you are so knowledgeable you should have no problem giving a link and quotes backing up whatever it is you are trying to say.

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>OK.  So, how is going to give Free Stuff, and more Free Stuff, without growing government?  By the way, are ALL corporations going to get the fuck taxed out of them or is the government going to pick the winners and losers, and give license to preferred companies that do the 'right things' in terms of pay and 'fairness'?

Oh now you are asking hard questions, that's not the dem way. The voters are supposed to just accept things at face value. Of course he will grow govt, of course govt will pick winners and losers. Will it be as bad as obumble? We will no doubt be faced with another bad vs worse choice in '16. I do hope trump is one of them and Bernie is the other. In that case it might be not so great vs not too bad which is a big improvement.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22108304 - 08/18/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So Bernies plan is tax the fuck out of the wealthy and give Free Stuff?  And, he is totally against big, corrupt government right? He says over and over that the problem is government cronyism, etc, which I believe

OK.  So, how is going to give Free Stuff, and more Free Stuff, without growing government?  By the way, are ALL corporations going to get the fuck taxed out of them or is the government going to pick the winners and losers, and give license to preferred companies that do the 'right things' in terms of pay and 'fairness'?




You have a very simple minded approach to all of this. 'Bernie Sanders is giving away free stuff, and fucking over rich people'. That is just stupid. There is a lot more behind it in terms of theory, and proven efficacy, unlike your trickle down nonsense. He's not advocating stupid ass shit like Obama phones and cash for clunkers.

Growing the government and increasing corporate collusion with government are not the same thing. Cronyism is the result of corporate collusion with government.
This tax question you posed is referring to a tax plan that KO came up with. It has nothing to do with Bernie.


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