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hostileuniverse
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22340942 - 10/06/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fact is, BS himself has not said he doesn't support subsidies for illegals, and he HAS said they should be eligible for ACA, and part of the ACA is subsidies for low income people... So matter how you lazily you spin it, 2+2 STILL equals 4...
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22340983 - 10/06/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Fact is, BS himself has not said he doesn't support subsidies for illegals, and he HAS said they should be eligible for ACA, and part of the ACA is subsidies for low income people... So matter how you lazily you spin it, 2+2 STILL equals 4...
It really doesn't even matter if he does not support subsidies for illegals because they can NOT afford coverage in the FIRST place, with or without subsides.
They're still going to get treated and will leave the bill on the taxpayers, that's the issue, not subsidies that make no difference.
I have a solution, illegals and their children get refused treatment because they could never afford it in the first place, then they get deported and that puts the burden of their health care on their own country's government.
Trump's plan makes more sense, deport illegals and then we don't have to pay for their free health care, education, public housing, welfare, food stamps, disability, and criminal justice expenses!!
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22341017 - 10/06/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Fact is, BS himself has not said he doesn't support subsidies for illegals, and he HAS said they should be eligible for ACA, and part of the ACA is subsidies for low income people... So matter how you lazily you spin it, 2+2 STILL equals 4...
The only person spinning anything is you.
You copypasta'd an article you thought supports your claim, when in reality it refutes it. And now you're doing mental gymnastics to try to reconcile your mistake with reality.
I'll put it to the people, which is more likely:
1. Aides for Sanders' campaign are purposely misrepresenting Bernie's views in a way that opens him up to wide criticism
Or 2. HostileUniverse read the title of an article, made up the rest, and is now backtracking to save face
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22341146 - 10/06/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I guess if BS wins, they'll get their subsidies, and if Trump wins, they'll be deported...
I guess only time will tell
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22341166 - 10/06/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: So I guess if BS wins, they'll get their subsidies, and if Trump wins, they'll be deported...
I guess only time will tell
Lol
Now that you put it that way....
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#22341719 - 10/06/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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BS is now saying we should close the borders, is he trying to steal the moderates away from Trump? does he really believe are dumb enough to believe HE would seal the border? this guy needs to go back to singing to telephone poles, he's getting ridiculous...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/28/1406582/-Video-Vox-s-Ezra-Klein-interviews-Bernie-Sanders#
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22342306 - 10/06/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bernie has always had a relatively conservative stance on immigration.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22342329 - 10/06/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Bernie has always had a relatively conservative stance on immigration.
Oh? He's not very effective then... Is he?
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22342339 - 10/06/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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At what? Making one senate vote manifest into law? No.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22342527 - 10/06/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: At what? Making one senate vote manifest into law? No.
You can make excuses if you like, but everyone knows an EFFECTIVE leader can sway people to see their point of view, obviously BS hasn't been able to do that...
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22342542 - 10/06/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bernie is by all accounts a superb legislator as well as the longest serving independent Senator in history, he's pretty good at convincing people, hence the poll numbers.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22342669 - 10/06/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Bernie is by all accounts a superb legislator as well as the longest serving independent Senator in history, he's pretty good at convincing people, hence the poll numbers.
Yeah, he's been real good at getting his socalist agenda passed...
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#22342730 - 10/06/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bernie isn't proposing anything near what socialism really is. So making sure people don't die because they can't afford chemo and making sure children don't starve is socialism eh? It kind of sounds like being a decent human being. I really don't care if my payroll taxes go up 10% or 20%, if i don't have to pay $200+ a month for private insurance and I know that everyone in this country is guaranteed debt free health care then fuck yeah.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: pretzelking] 1
#22342753 - 10/06/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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pretzelking said: Bernie isn't proposing anything near what socialism really is. So making sure people don't die because they can't afford chemo and making sure children don't starve is socialism eh? It kind of sounds like being a decent human being. I really don't care if my payroll taxes go up 10% or 20%, if i don't have to pay $200+ a month for private insurance and I know that everyone in this country is guaranteed debt free health care then fuck yeah.
One needs only to look at socialized medicine in other countries, six months waiting lists... Does that sound like utopia to you???
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22344252 - 10/07/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: One needs only to look at socialized medicine in other countries, six months waiting lists... Does that sound like utopia to you???
You're cherry picking. Canada is the only place I've heard have issues like this and it's due to lack of healthcare workers.
90% of Canadians also prefer their healthcare to the U.S. which suggests your six month waiting list figure was pulled out of your ass.
Oh look... it was pulled out of your ass.
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Although life-threatening cases are dealt with immediately, some services needed are non-urgent and patients are seen at the next-available appointment in their local chosen facility.
The median wait time in Canada to see a special physician is a little over four weeks with 89.5% waiting fewer than 90 days.
The median wait time for diagnostic services such as MRI and CAT scans is two weeks with 86.4% waiting fewer than 90 days.
The median wait time for elective or non-urgent surgery is four weeks with 82.2% waiting fewer than 90 days.
Another study by the Commonwealth Fund found that 57% of Canadians reported waiting 30 days (4 weeks) or more to see a specialist, broadly in line with the current official statistics. A quarter (24%) of all Canadians waited 4 hours or more in the emergency room.
Shit I had to wait that long to see a specialist here!
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22347066 - 10/07/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: BS is now saying we should close the borders, is he trying to steal the moderates away from Trump? does he really believe are dumb enough to believe HE would seal the border? this guy needs to go back to singing to telephone poles, he's getting ridiculous...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/28/1406582/-Video-Vox-s-Ezra-Klein-interviews-Bernie-Sanders#
This is not a new stance, dude. He's been saying this since before Trump. Along with several other positions Trump holds. 
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pretzelking said: Bernie isn't proposing anything near what socialism really is. So making sure people don't die because they can't afford chemo and making sure children don't starve is socialism eh? It kind of sounds like being a decent human being. I really don't care if my payroll taxes go up 10% or 20%, if i don't have to pay $200+ a month for private insurance and I know that everyone in this country is guaranteed debt free health care then fuck yeah.
One needs only to look at socialized medicine in other countries, six months waiting lists... Does that sound like utopia to you???
Socialized medicine is better by every measure. Better outcomes, cheaper medications (the government negotiates good deals on drugs, because they are paying for them), and comprehensive coverage for everyone. It costs taxpayers far less than our system.
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The Ecstatic said: At what? Making one senate vote manifest into law? No.
You can make excuses if you like, but everyone knows an EFFECTIVE leader can sway people to see their point of view, obviously BS hasn't been able to do that...
You say the....... darndest.... things (I'm being very nice)
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22350930 - 10/08/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: burgerbrain] 1
#22351064 - 10/08/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Destroyed bigbaldwoof's argument again, you sir, are da man!
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22351087 - 10/08/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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HAHAHAH Thank you Thank you! No, you da man!     
These socialists are just too easy-do they even know how to use google?
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: burgerbrain]
#22351151 - 10/08/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: HAHAHAH Thank you Thank you! No, you da man!     
These socialists are just too easy-do they even know how to use google?
Sure they do, they just do not care...
They see Venezuela, Greece, they just assume they did it wrong and THEY can do it right...
They're ignorance is glaringly obvious to those who know better
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