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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22258268 - 09/18/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

>nationalism has its place.  In the same way the a single political party can not possibly have all of its constituents' best interest at heart, neither could an international gov't.

Amen to that. The dizzy 'bats think one world govt would be a great thing, great if you like even more govt control and oppression. The young commie wannabes running around today have no clue, no idea and if they got their wishes, they would be very unhappy very soon.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22258320 - 09/18/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

fusion would be cool too, but the point is the same.  The way food is an goods are produced and shipped right now is unsustainable without lots of low cost energy.  In the near future (pre-fusion/replicators) what we really need are ways to ramp up food production in smart, efficient ways.  The closer things can be produced to the end market, the better.  Urban aquaponics is a good choice for many herbs and leafy vegetables, with protein being produced in the form of fish.  Reversing desertification will be important in terms of climate change, and actually within reach with today's technology. as a byproduct, the livestock used to do this can be consumed as food.  The rate of harvest of the oceans' resources is unsustainable.  There are inland areas however, that are suitable for adaptation into controlled artificial marine environements, where with proper stewardship, high levels of bioproduction could be used to supplement the oceans' supply


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22258341 - 09/18/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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fusion would be cool too, but the point is the same.  The way food is an goods are produced and shipped right now is unsustainable without lots of low cost energy.  In the near future (pre-fusion/replicators) what we really need are ways to ramp up food production in smart, efficient ways.  The closer things can be produced to the end market, the better.  Urban aquaponics is a good choice for many herbs and leafy vegetables, with protein being produced in the form of fish.  Reversing desertification will be important in terms of climate change, and actually within reach with today's technology. as a byproduct, the livestock used to do this can be consumed as food.  The rate of harvest of the oceans' resources is unsustainable.  There are inland areas however, that are suitable for adaptation into controlled artificial marine environements, where with proper stewardship, high levels of bioproduction could be used to supplement the oceans' supply




We currently produce more than enough food to feed the world.

Also, something like this will be a game changer:

http://www.et3.com/

It would required massive investment though, and I think it will be implemented gradually.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22259149 - 09/19/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Again, your argument boils down to "socialism is gonna fail because brown people."




Actually, that's your failed perception of what he said.

Assuming it would only be brown people makes you come off as racist.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22259414 - 09/19/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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"There is enough wealth and resources for us to be capable of caring for everyone in the world"

Who's "us"?  I hope you're not insinuating that the US could take care of the whole world. Either way, define "caring for everyone", it's a very general statement.

I would make this statement, there's enough wealth and resources in the US for everyone (minus the illegals and the dysfunctional cultures) to be taken care of very well (good jobs, universal health care, home ownership, ect.) but that's about it.




Us meaning humanity.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22260734 - 09/19/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:

"There is enough wealth and resources for us to be capable of caring for everyone in the world"

Who's "us"?  I hope you're not insinuating that the US could take care of the whole world. Either way, define "caring for everyone", it's a very general statement.

I would make this statement, there's enough wealth and resources in the US for everyone (minus the illegals and the dysfunctional cultures) to be taken care of very well (good jobs, universal health care, home ownership, ect.) but that's about it.




I think you seriously underestimate the wealth in this country.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22260837 - 09/19/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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qman said:

"There is enough wealth and resources for us to be capable of caring for everyone in the world"

Who's "us"?  I hope you're not insinuating that the US could take care of the whole world. Either way, define "caring for everyone", it's a very general statement.

I would make this statement, there's enough wealth and resources in the US for everyone (minus the illegals and the dysfunctional cultures) to be taken care of very well (good jobs, universal health care, home ownership, ect.) but that's about it.




I think you seriously underestimate the wealth in this country.




I think you seriously overestimate the wealth in this country.

This is what happens when you have too many unproductive people, you end up in a economic depression. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_government-debt_crisis

The US made a big mistake a long time ago making Puerto Rico a territory. :facepalm:


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22260964 - 09/19/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's what happens when the U.S. imposes shipping policy that strangles the economy, siphons away workers, props up the economy with tax breaks for investors, and then lets the provision that kept the economy afloat (the tax breaks) expire without ever fixing the initial problem.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22261042 - 09/19/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:
It's what happens when the U.S. imposes shipping policy that strangles the economy, siphons away workers, props up the economy with tax breaks for investors, and then lets the provision that kept the economy afloat (the tax breaks) expire without ever fixing the initial problem.




Yeah, they would be just thriving on their own.  :smilingpuppy:


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22261051 - 09/19/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's what happens when the U.S. imposes shipping policy that strangles the economy, siphons away workers, props up the economy with tax breaks for investors, and then lets the provision that kept the economy afloat (the tax breaks) expire without ever fixing the initial problem.




You mean this is all obumble's fault? I never thought I'd see the day...


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22261216 - 09/19/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
Quote:

qman said:

"There is enough wealth and resources for us to be capable of caring for everyone in the world"

Who's "us"?  I hope you're not insinuating that the US could take care of the whole world. Either way, define "caring for everyone", it's a very general statement.

I would make this statement, there's enough wealth and resources in the US for everyone (minus the illegals and the dysfunctional cultures) to be taken care of very well (good jobs, universal health care, home ownership, ect.) but that's about it.




I think you seriously underestimate the wealth in this country.




I think you seriously overestimate the wealth in this country.

This is what happens when you have too many unproductive people, you end up in a economic depression. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_government-debt_crisis

The US made a big mistake a long time ago making Puerto Rico a territory. :facepalm:




You should really learn more about what has happened in Peurto Rico. It's a great example of how terrible things are without adequate tax revenue. American drug companies raped Peurto Rico. It's also an excellent example of why Tax Breaks for corporations doesn't help economies.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22268397 - 09/21/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Here's some of the prescription med pricing stuff Bernie's been talking about.

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Sunday, September 20, 2015
Specialists in infectious disease are protesting a gigantic overnight increase in the price of a 62-year-old drug that is the standard of care for treating a life-threatening parasitic infection.

The drug, called Daraprim, was acquired in August by Turing Pharmaceuticals, a start-up run by a former hedge fund manager. Turing immediately raised the price to $750 a tablet from $13.50, bringing the annual cost of treatment for some patients to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

“What is it that they are doing differently that has led to this dramatic increase?” said Dr. Judith Aberg, the chief of the division of infectious diseases at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. She said the price increase could force hospitals to use “alternative therapies that may not have the same efficacy.”

Turing’s price increase is not an isolated example. While most of the attention on pharmaceutical prices has been on new drugs for diseases like cancer, hepatitis C and high cholesterol, there is also growing concern about huge price increases on older drugs, some of them generic, that have long been mainstays of treatment.




http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/a-huge-overnight-increase-in-a-drugs-price-raises-protests


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22268402 - 09/21/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

Bigbadwooof said:
Quote:

qman said:

"There is enough wealth and resources for us to be capable of caring for everyone in the world"

Who's "us"?  I hope you're not insinuating that the US could take care of the whole world. Either way, define "caring for everyone", it's a very general statement.

I would make this statement, there's enough wealth and resources in the US for everyone (minus the illegals and the dysfunctional cultures) to be taken care of very well (good jobs, universal health care, home ownership, ect.) but that's about it.




I think you seriously underestimate the wealth in this country.




I think you seriously overestimate the wealth in this country.

This is what happens when you have too many unproductive people, you end up in a economic depression. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_government-debt_crisis

The US made a big mistake a long time ago making Puerto Rico a territory. :facepalm:




You should really learn more about what has happened in Peurto Rico. It's a great example of how terrible things are without adequate tax revenue. American drug companies raped Peurto Rico. It's also an excellent example of why Tax Breaks for corporations doesn't help economies.




"terrible things are without adequate tax revenue"

That's kind of just stating the obvious, weak economies don't generate enough growth to create very much tax revenue.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22268607 - 09/21/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The idea of eternal economic growth is a fairytale, and will be the downfall of capitalism.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #22268629 - 09/21/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:
It's what happens when the U.S. imposes shipping policy that strangles the economy, siphons away workers, props up the economy with tax breaks for investors, and then lets the provision that kept the economy afloat (the tax breaks) expire without ever fixing the initial problem.




You mean this is all obumble's fault? I never thought I'd see the day...




This stuff has been going on since 1920.  Thanks Obama!


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22269353 - 09/21/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

For someone who constantly harps on both parties being shitty, Stonehenge sure does try to pin everything on one Democrat.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22274377 - 09/22/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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For someone who constantly harps on both parties being shitty, Stonehenge sure does try to pin everything on one Democrat.




Theres not enough time in the world to argue all of his aggressive reiterations of nonsensical bullshit.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22275141 - 09/22/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Are the democrats seriously thinking about running an old white guy???


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22275238 - 09/22/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Why not? It certainly worked for the Repubs back in the 80's.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Le_Canard]
    #22275533 - 09/22/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Why not? It certainly worked for the Repubs back in the 80's.




Yeah but that was the GOP, I thought the dems were the young, hip and culturally diverse party???


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