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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22257730 - 09/18/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You're suggesting 2008 isn't still having repercussions?

The Scandinavian countries are doing fine by the way.  So socialism == more debt doesn't fly.




Socialism doesn't have to = more debt, but the cherry picking of the Scandinavian countries does very little for this debate. The consumer debt is off the charts, it can't last forever.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-01-13/nordic-crisis-waiting-to-happen-puzzles-krugman-assessing-debts




Let's list the capitalist nations and the socialist ones and see which side has more total public debt.

Actually, let's not, because anyone with a brain knows the answer to that.




Do you consider the UK, Germany, France, Spain, and Italy socialist nations?  Because their debt to GDP is over 100%, just like the US. :shrug:

Again, I don't think focusing and cherry picking the small Scandinavian nations does very much service for the discussion. In fact, it only reinforces my original thesis, socialism only works in small homogeneous productive nations.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22257731 - 09/18/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you read my posts earlier in the thread you would realize that I'm not against socialist programs, my point is they don't work when the country is littered with illegals and dysfunctional cultures.




There is no evidence of that. I agree with you that immigration should be regulated. A nationless world would be ideal, but it is not likely to happen any time soon. At some point it will though. In the mean time, we have to do what is best for our country.

Once Socialism overcomes Capitalism, we will be capable of caring for everyone in the world. Society will be focused on the betterment of the majority instead of the few, and we have the capability to feed and clothe everybody. In fact, with nuclear fusion, we will no longer have any need for Capitalism, and it will seem like a silly waste of resources.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22257746 - 09/18/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The labor markets and economy during that time period were just a little different than current day, why are you comparing apples to oranges?

Also, the Irish had a common culture and heritage with the native population, that can't be said today.




I would argue that Mexicans have more of a common culture/heritage with Americans than the Irish. Mexicans and Americans both emerged via conquest from European nations. Irish culture is very dissimilar to American culture, which is evidenced by the clear racism (culturism?) against the Irish at the time. You're saying they weren't brown. Big fucking deal. I think we can get over that little hurdle with a bit of education down South ;-)




"with a bit of education down South"

What would that be?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22257767 - 09/18/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Once Socialism overcomes Capitalism, we will be capable of caring for everyone in the world. Society will be focused on the betterment of the majority instead of the few, and we have the capability to feed and clothe everybody. In fact, with nuclear fusion, we will no longer have any need for Capitalism, and it will seem like a silly waste of resources.




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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22257768 - 09/18/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you read my posts earlier in the thread you would realize that I'm not against socialist programs, my point is they don't work when the country is littered with illegals and dysfunctional cultures.




There is no evidence of that. I agree with you that immigration should be regulated. A nationless world would be ideal, but it is not likely to happen any time soon. At some point it will though. In the mean time, we have to do what is best for our country.

Once Socialism overcomes Capitalism, we will be capable of caring for everyone in the world. Society will be focused on the betterment of the majority instead of the few, and we have the capability to feed and clothe everybody. In fact, with nuclear fusion, we will no longer have any need for Capitalism, and it will seem like a silly waste of resources.




"A nationless world"

Hippy pie in the sky.

"we will be capable of caring for everyone in the world"

Hippy pie in the sky.

It's fun to live in a theoretical world for short periods of time, but the real world just doesn't function in that manner. Sure, if the world was perfect then it would be a utopia for everyone, that's not the case, so why play pretend all the time, it makes no sense.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22257774 - 09/18/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
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qman said:
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paperbackwriter said:
You're suggesting 2008 isn't still having repercussions?

The Scandinavian countries are doing fine by the way.  So socialism == more debt doesn't fly.




Socialism doesn't have to = more debt, but the cherry picking of the Scandinavian countries does very little for this debate. The consumer debt is off the charts, it can't last forever.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-01-13/nordic-crisis-waiting-to-happen-puzzles-krugman-assessing-debts




Let's list the capitalist nations and the socialist ones and see which side has more total public debt.

Actually, let's not, because anyone with a brain knows the answer to that.




Do you consider the UK, Germany, France, Spain, and Italy socialist nations?  Because their debt to GDP is over 100%, just like the US. :shrug:

Again, I don't think focusing and cherry picking the small Scandinavian nations does very much service for the discussion. In fact, it only reinforces my original thesis, socialism only works in small homogeneous productive nations.





what about the quoted post makes you think im trying to cherry pick? I did literally the farthest thing i could from cherry picking.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22257795 - 09/18/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
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qman said:
If you read my posts earlier in the thread you would realize that I'm not against socialist programs, my point is they don't work when the country is littered with illegals and dysfunctional cultures.




There is no evidence of that. I agree with you that immigration should be regulated. A nationless world would be ideal, but it is not likely to happen any time soon. At some point it will though. In the mean time, we have to do what is best for our country.

Once Socialism overcomes Capitalism, we will be capable of caring for everyone in the world. Society will be focused on the betterment of the majority instead of the few, and we have the capability to feed and clothe everybody. In fact, with nuclear fusion, we will no longer have any need for Capitalism, and it will seem like a silly waste of resources.




"A nationless world"

Hippy pie in the sky.

"we will be capable of caring for everyone in the world"

Hippy pie in the sky.

It's fun to live in a theoretical world for short periods of time, but the real world just doesn't function in that manner. Sure, if the world was perfect then it would be a utopia for everyone, that's not the case, so why play pretend all the time, it makes no sense.




There is enough wealth and resources for us to be capable of caring for everyone in the world.

Why do you take such pride in your ignorance? Just another person who thinks "thats just the way it is." Im sure there were infanticidal cromagnon elders with an identical worldview as yours.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22257859 - 09/18/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

>why play pretend all the time, it makes no sense.

That's all the left wing has. They pretend that using a different word changes reality. When that fails they come up with another new word which also fails, etc and repeat. They praise socialism which has failed over and over. There is no pure socialism anywhere in the world.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22257863 - 09/18/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
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paperbackwriter said:
You're suggesting 2008 isn't still having repercussions?

The Scandinavian countries are doing fine by the way.  So socialism == more debt doesn't fly.




Socialism doesn't have to = more debt, but the cherry picking of the Scandinavian countries does very little for this debate. The consumer debt is off the charts, it can't last forever.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-01-13/nordic-crisis-waiting-to-happen-puzzles-krugman-assessing-debts




Let's list the capitalist nations and the socialist ones and see which side has more total public debt.

Actually, let's not, because anyone with a brain knows the answer to that.




Do you consider the UK, Germany, France, Spain, and Italy socialist nations?  Because their debt to GDP is over 100%, just like the US. :shrug:

Again, I don't think focusing and cherry picking the small Scandinavian nations does very much service for the discussion. In fact, it only reinforces my original thesis, socialism only works in small homogeneous productive nations.




Germany's debt to GPD has been around 75% for a while now.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/germany/government-debt-to-gdp

In 2008 France had a debt to GDP ratio of roughly 64%, and now it is roughly 93%.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/france/government-debt-to-gdp

Spain was at about 40% in 2008 and now it is at 97%.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/spain/government-debt-to-gdp

UK was at 44% in 2008 and now is at 89%

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/government-debt-to-gdp

Italy has been over 100% since 2008.

It is clear that the global financial crisis had an enormous impact on all of these countries. Yet only one of those listed has a debt to GDP ratio above 100%.

In 2008 the US was at 65% and now it is at 103%.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp

Do you realize what they are getting for their spending? They get healthcare, college, a month+ off work every year, higher wages, better safety net programs. Shit we don't get. France in particular has some Social programs that go further than I would probably advocate.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22257865 - 09/18/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
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qman said:
If you read my posts earlier in the thread you would realize that I'm not against socialist programs, my point is they don't work when the country is littered with illegals and dysfunctional cultures.




There is no evidence of that. I agree with you that immigration should be regulated. A nationless world would be ideal, but it is not likely to happen any time soon. At some point it will though. In the mean time, we have to do what is best for our country.

Once Socialism overcomes Capitalism, we will be capable of caring for everyone in the world. Society will be focused on the betterment of the majority instead of the few, and we have the capability to feed and clothe everybody. In fact, with nuclear fusion, we will no longer have any need for Capitalism, and it will seem like a silly waste of resources.




"A nationless world"

Hippy pie in the sky.

"we will be capable of caring for everyone in the world"

Hippy pie in the sky.

It's fun to live in a theoretical world for short periods of time, but the real world just doesn't function in that manner. Sure, if the world was perfect then it would be a utopia for everyone, that's not the case, so why play pretend all the time, it makes no sense.




There is enough wealth and resources for us to be capable of caring for everyone in the world.

Why do you take such pride in your ignorance? Just another person who thinks "thats just the way it is." Im sure there were infanticidal cromagnon elders with an identical worldview as yours.




"There is enough wealth and resources for us to be capable of caring for everyone in the world"

Who's "us"?  I hope you're not insinuating that the US could take care of the whole world. Either way, define "caring for everyone", it's a very general statement.

I would make this statement, there's enough wealth and resources in the US for everyone (minus the illegals and the dysfunctional cultures) to be taken care of very well (good jobs, universal health care, home ownership, ect.) but that's about it.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22257885 - 09/18/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
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qman said:
If you read my posts earlier in the thread you would realize that I'm not against socialist programs, my point is they don't work when the country is littered with illegals and dysfunctional cultures.




There is no evidence of that. I agree with you that immigration should be regulated. A nationless world would be ideal, but it is not likely to happen any time soon. At some point it will though. In the mean time, we have to do what is best for our country.

Once Socialism overcomes Capitalism, we will be capable of caring for everyone in the world. Society will be focused on the betterment of the majority instead of the few, and we have the capability to feed and clothe everybody. In fact, with nuclear fusion, we will no longer have any need for Capitalism, and it will seem like a silly waste of resources.




"A nationless world"

Hippy pie in the sky.

"we will be capable of caring for everyone in the world"

Hippy pie in the sky.

It's fun to live in a theoretical world for short periods of time, but the real world just doesn't function in that manner. Sure, if the world was perfect then it would be a utopia for everyone, that's not the case, so why play pretend all the time, it makes no sense.




What is so utopian about feeding and clothing everyone in the world? That's not an outlandish thought. It is small minded to think otherwise. Less than a hundred years ago it was inconceivable that everyone would have multiple televisions in their house. Now we can buy big screen TVs for less than a paycheck.

I'm not seeing any arguments here, just naysaying. The world doesn't function in that manner, because of Capitalism. It concentrates wealth and prevents society from working toward common achievable goals. There are a lot of parallels to be drawn between Capitalism and Feudalism.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22257886 - 09/18/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
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paperbackwriter said:
You're suggesting 2008 isn't still having repercussions?

The Scandinavian countries are doing fine by the way.  So socialism == more debt doesn't fly.




Socialism doesn't have to = more debt, but the cherry picking of the Scandinavian countries does very little for this debate. The consumer debt is off the charts, it can't last forever.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-01-13/nordic-crisis-waiting-to-happen-puzzles-krugman-assessing-debts




Let's list the capitalist nations and the socialist ones and see which side has more total public debt.

Actually, let's not, because anyone with a brain knows the answer to that.




Do you consider the UK, Germany, France, Spain, and Italy socialist nations?  Because their debt to GDP is over 100%, just like the US. :shrug:

Again, I don't think focusing and cherry picking the small Scandinavian nations does very much service for the discussion. In fact, it only reinforces my original thesis, socialism only works in small homogeneous productive nations.




Germany's debt to GPD has been around 75% for a while now.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/germany/government-debt-to-gdp

In 2008 France had a debt to GDP ratio of roughly 64%, and now it is roughly 93%.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/france/government-debt-to-gdp

Spain was at about 40% in 2008 and now it is at 97%.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/spain/government-debt-to-gdp

UK was at 44% in 2008 and now is at 89%

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/government-debt-to-gdp

Italy has been over 100% since 2008.

It is clear that the global financial crisis had an enormous impact on all of these countries. Yet only one of those listed has a debt to GDP ratio above 100%.

In 2008 the US was at 65% and now it is at 103%.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp

Do you realize what they are getting for their spending? They get healthcare, college, a month  off work every year, higher wages, better safety net programs. Shit we don't get. France in particular has some Social programs that go further than I would probably advocate.




They don't have a military budget that uses over 25% of the spending.  That fucks over the average US citizen at the end of the day, it does nothing for Joe Six-Pack.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22257896 - 09/18/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Once Socialism overcomes Capitalism, we will be capable of caring for everyone in the world. Society will be focused on the betterment of the majority instead of the few, and we have the capability to feed and clothe everybody. In fact, with nuclear fusion, we will no longer have any need for Capitalism, and it will seem like a silly waste of resources.




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Many people really are waking up to the futility of nationalism. I have an idea in my lifetime things are going to shake up quite a bit. The EU is an expression of anti-nationalist ideals.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22257906 - 09/18/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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They don't have a military budget that uses over 25% of the spending.  That fucks over the average US citizen at the end of the day, it does nothing for Joe Six-Pack.




Exactly. Without that military budget and with a healthy Socialist system, we could all live like kings in America, the wealthiest country the world has ever known.

It would eliminate the immigration problem also, because we wouldn't have such a saturated labor market. The government also doesn't hire illegals, as far as I'm aware.

We spent $1 Trillion developing an aircraft we don't need. If you spent that on infrastructure, which in-turn creates high paying jobs, this country would be unrecognizable in many ways. Same with healthcare, education, etc.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22257969 - 09/18/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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They don't have a military budget that uses over 25% of the spending.  That fucks over the average US citizen at the end of the day, it does nothing for Joe Six-Pack.





It would eliminate the immigration problem also, because we wouldn't have such a saturated labor market.




I don't see how reallocating federal spending would fix the illegal immigration issue, pissing away more money on the invaders is not going to help a dam thing. Deport them and focus on US CITIZENS!!!


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22258049 - 09/18/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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They don't have a military budget that uses over 25% of the spending.  That fucks over the average US citizen at the end of the day, it does nothing for Joe Six-Pack.





It would eliminate the immigration problem also, because we wouldn't have such a saturated labor market.




I don't see how reallocating federal spending would fix the illegal immigration issue, pissing away more money on the invaders is not going to help a dam thing. Deport them and focus on US CITIZENS!!!




The only problem that immigration causes is an overly saturated labor market. I would be perfectly willing to accept them into our economy if there were jobs for them. I do believe that we should fight illegal immigration, but I think that if we managed to stimulate job growth to the point where everyone was employed, there would be no reason to deport people who are already here.

The only issue immigration causes is an overly saturated labor market. That's it. Do you disagree with that fact?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22258150 - 09/18/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
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qman said:
They don't have a military budget that uses over 25% of the spending.  That fucks over the average US citizen at the end of the day, it does nothing for Joe Six-Pack.





It would eliminate the immigration problem also, because we wouldn't have such a saturated labor market.




I don't see how reallocating federal spending would fix the illegal immigration issue, pissing away more money on the invaders is not going to help a dam thing. Deport them and focus on US CITIZENS!!!




The only problem that immigration causes is an overly saturated labor market. I would be perfectly willing to accept them into our economy if there were jobs for them. I do believe that we should fight illegal immigration, but I think that if we managed to stimulate job growth to the point where everyone was employed, there would be no reason to deport people who are already here.

The only issue immigration causes is an overly saturated labor market. That's it. Do you disagree with that fact?




"stimulate job growth to the point where everyone was employed"

It's nice to dream, but today we have the worst unemployment and under employment in over 80 years, that not likely to change in our lifetimes.

"The only issue (illegal) immigration causes is an overly saturated labor market. That's it"

Unfortunately, it's not the only issue. When there's cultural differences such as language, it brings a whole new set of problems. Since we don't have the jobs available for them, they resort to criminal gang activity, that's a huge national security issue. Also, their use of social services is unacceptable and un-affordable.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22258179 - 09/18/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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"stimulate job growth to the point where everyone was employed"

It's nice to dream, but today we have the worst unemployment and under employment in over 80 years, that not likely to change in our lifetimes.




I could certainly be done. Shit, we cut one jet that the pentagon didn't even want out of the budget, and you can employ the entire nation.

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"The only issue (illegal) immigration causes is an overly saturated labor market. That's it"




Unfortunately, it's not the only issue. When there's cultural differences such as language, it brings a whole new set of problems. Since we don't have the jobs available for them, they resort to criminal gang activity, that's a huge national security issue. Also, their use of social services is unacceptable and un-affordable.




I have a feeling cultural differences, including language, can be overcome. Especially if we prevent further immigration. It will take one generation to overcome language, and many of them can learn English also.

The rest of your post was all related to an oversaturated labor market.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22258211 - 09/18/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Once Socialism overcomes Capitalism, we will be capable of caring for everyone in the world. Society will be focused on the betterment of the majority instead of the few, and we have the capability to feed and clothe everybody. In fact, with nuclear fusion, we will no longer have any need for Capitalism, and it will seem like a silly waste of resources.




Star Trek future FTW!




Many people really are waking up to the futility of nationalism. I have an idea in my lifetime things are going to shake up quite a bit. The EU is an expression of anti-nationalist ideals.




nationalism has its place.  In the same way the a single political party can not possibly have all of its constituents' best interest at heart, neither could an international gov't.  Secondly, the EU is a confederation of seperate sovereign nations, any of which could back out at any time.  Not too transnational IMO.  Hell, England didn't even let it's currency be subsumed.  Nope, without antimatter reactors and replicators, scarcity will always be an driver of division amongst regions


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22258262 - 09/18/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Once Socialism overcomes Capitalism, we will be capable of caring for everyone in the world. Society will be focused on the betterment of the majority instead of the few, and we have the capability to feed and clothe everybody. In fact, with nuclear fusion, we will no longer have any need for Capitalism, and it will seem like a silly waste of resources.




Star Trek future FTW!




Many people really are waking up to the futility of nationalism. I have an idea in my lifetime things are going to shake up quite a bit. The EU is an expression of anti-nationalist ideals.




nationalism has its place.  In the same way the a single political party can not possibly have all of its constituents' best interest at heart, neither could an international gov't.  Secondly, the EU is a confederation of seperate sovereign nations, any of which could back out at any time.  Not too transnational IMO.  Hell, England didn't even let it's currency be subsumed.  Nope, without antimatter reactors and replicators, scarcity will always be an driver of division amongst regions




I hardly think antimatter reactors and replicators are ncessary, but we already have the technology to create antimatter reactors. The problem is producing antimatter is prohibitively expensive.

Fusion reactors will change the game entirely, and they're right on the horizon. Many of the world's wealthiest countries are pouring money into this technology. I don't think replicators are necessary either lmao. Though, those may exist before the end of the century.

For the time being, I think nationalism has its place. However, I don't believe that we will always operate in such a tribalistic way. As I said, things are going to shake up a lot in the coming years. Quantum computing has become a reality. The future is not terribly clear, but it will be drastically different..


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