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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: But let's not get carried away ... she's not going to jail.
Seriously. I'm doubtful that she'll even get charged.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: BoldAsLove]
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KauaiOrca said: But let's not get carried away ... she's not going to jail.
Seriously. I'm doubtful that she'll even get charged.
If more evidence that she committed a crime keeps trickling out, at some point a significant portion of America will be flaming pissed if charges aren't even brought. It's really ruining her already tarnished brand. With the anti-establishment attitude in the air this year, I think they'll be inclined to at least charge her and make a show of it.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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she's gonna offer up a sacrificial lamb any day now, and when she does, she's gonna emerge squeaky clean as far as her base is concerned.
Will truthers and shit still hold a grudge? sure, but they weren't voting for her anyway. Some moderate voters might be turned off by the whole thing, but she'll still keep the majority of women; who knows when they might get another viable candidate? Hillary is a tough old bitch, and she isn't gonna give up easy. If she can scratch and claw her way into the nomination, it will be like a reset for her. She'll be able to cast herself as the underdog against the entrenched political enemies that tried to pin some bogus email charges on her.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: ballsalsa]
#22209996 - 09/08/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sanders' Foreign Policy Not Antiwar Ron Paul Liberty Report
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: GoblinKing]
#22210125 - 09/08/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like Ron Paul, but he has Bernie's policy a bit skewed. Bernie's stance is essentially that Saudi Arabia has the 5th largest military budget in the world, and we should let them handle ISIS. He wants to pull out. Bernie is not a pacifist, as he has stated numerous times, but he sure as hell isn't a warmonger.
I think it's a bit of a conflict of interest, if you expect Ron Paul to give an unbiased perspective on Bernie Sanders, while his son is running against him. As I said, I like Ron Paul, but he's propagandizing here. Bernie's voting record is EXCELLENT. This here is a Bernie smear. Calling Bernie a neo-con is just whacky lmao!
Also, the guy he's interviewing's hair is goofier than Trumps! I couldn't help but point it out lol! He's got like a Pompadour hairstyle that he combs forward down the middle. These guys have some creative hairstylists, I have to say! lmao
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22219574 - 09/11/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: she's gonna offer up a sacrificial lamb any day now, and when she does, she's gonna emerge squeaky clean as far as her base is concerned.
Will truthers and shit still hold a grudge? sure, but they weren't voting for her anyway. Some moderate voters might be turned off by the whole thing, but she'll still keep the majority of women; who knows when they might get another viable candidate? Hillary is a tough old bitch, and she isn't gonna give up easy. If she can scratch and claw her way into the nomination, it will be like a reset for her. She'll be able to cast herself as the underdog against the entrenched political enemies that tried to pin some bogus email charges on her.
She loses, period. You know why? She loses the swing vote. They've already abandoned her.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: starfire_xes]
#22227322 - 09/12/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You may be underestimating the stupidity and fecklessness of the average American voter.
After all, we got Obama. Twice.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22227610 - 09/12/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bernie is doing better than Obama was at this point in the election.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22250166 - 09/17/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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As we've seen crop up in another thread there's some criticism of Bernie amongst socialists.
A lot of what I found seemed based on this article.
http://socialistworker.org/2006-2/610/610_11_BernieSanders.shtml
In researching the validity of the above article I came across a poster that goes by pplswar on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/user/pplswar
Here's his response to Ashley Smith's criticisms.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3aus4p/so_i_havent_been_in_the_loop_for_a_bit/
I also think he runs this website.
https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/how-bernie-sanders-reacted-to-israels-attacks-on-gaza-and-his-position-on-israelpalestine/
Anyway I think this guy has a good understanding of far left politics as well as the opposition to Bernie that's coming from socialist ideologues. So I figured I would share for anyone that needs strong counter arguments for socialist critics or anyone that's just interested in exploring the site or his Reddit posts.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
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I don't like Bernie's propensity for siding with Israel, but you know what, he's running on the populist train.
If he does something unpopular the hammer will come down twice as hard. And even if it doesn't, Bernie is willing to fix problems that are affecting nearly every American here at home. He's less of a war hawk than any other candidate and that's good enough for my vote.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22251534 - 09/17/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess the WSJ published an article recently condemning Bernie's financial policies. This retort came up on my Facebook feed just a bit ago.
http://www.thenation.com/article/what-the-wall-street-journal-gets-totally-wrong-about-bernie-sanders-agenda/
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22251614 - 09/17/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: I guess the WSJ published an article recently condemning Bernie's financial policies. This retort came up on my Facebook feed just a bit ago.
http://www.thenation.com/article/what-the-wall-street-journal-gets-totally-wrong-about-bernie-sanders-agenda/
It's kind of ridiculous that people think universal health care would be more expensive, like the insurance companies have been doing such a good job managing costs the past 20 years.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
#22251630 - 09/17/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Universal health care could be good and would be a bargain but it was done by obumble the fumbler and crooked politician. Since he has no clue about business or anything else, he let ins executives write the bill. Then insisted it had to be passed before anyone could know what was in it. When we get someone with smarts in there instead of a figure head clown, we can throw out the aca monstrosity and replace it with a good system.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
#22251682 - 09/17/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Universal health care could be good and would be a bargain but it was done by obumble the fumbler and crooked politician. Since he has no clue about business or anything else, he let ins executives write the bill. Then insisted it had to be passed before anyone could know what was in it. When we get someone with smarts in there instead of a figure head clown, we can throw out the aca monstrosity and replace it with a good system.
They would have to get rid of one of the most powerful lobbyist groups in Washington, the health care industry. People are finally waking up to the fact that they bought off Obama and the Republicans with the ACA, a real tragedy.
But before you establish a universal health care system, we must get all the illegals and their children out of the country, otherwise it just won't work. In fact, we have so many cultures in the US that are likely to just abuse the fuck out of it. This "melting pot" of a country really limits the amount of nice social programs that we could have like smaller countries get to enjoy.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
#22251732 - 09/17/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: I don't like Bernie's propensity for siding with Israel, but you know what, he's running on the populist train.
If he does something unpopular the hammer will come down twice as hard. And even if it doesn't, Bernie is willing to fix problems that are affecting nearly every American here at home. He's less of a war hawk than any other candidate and that's good enough for my vote.
I think that Bernie sticks to his guns as strongly as he can, but everyone in politics must compromise occasionally, or nothing would ever get done.
I like his plan to rebuild infrastructure, given that countries which used to be considered 3rd world in the recent past are surpassing us in infrastructure quality by some measures. We're actually contracting the Chinese to build high speed rail here in the US, because no American company has experience in doing so.
If he can get his way on infrastructure projects, and minimum wage, it just might save the American economy. It will certainly delay what appears to be an inevitable collapse due to quantitative easing. Unfortunately, if that collapse occurs on his watch, he, and by extension Socialism, will be blamed for it for generations to come.
Bernie is not a pacifist, but he believes that money is much better spent at home, and I've been saying that for years. Hes not beligerantly anti-war though. I can dig that. Comrades.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
#22251755 - 09/17/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Universal health care could be good and would be a bargain but it was done by obumble the fumbler and crooked politician. Since he has no clue about business or anything else, he let ins executives write the bill. Then insisted it had to be passed before anyone could know what was in it. When we get someone with smarts in there instead of a figure head clown, we can throw out the aca monstrosity and replace it with a good system.
They would have to get rid of one of the most powerful lobbyist groups in Washington, the health care industry. People are finally waking up to the fact that they bought off Obama and the Republicans with the ACA, a real tragedy.
But before you establish a universal health care system, we must get all the illegals and their children out of the country, otherwise it just won't work. In fact, we have so many cultures in the US that are likely to just abuse the fuck out of it. This "melting pot" of a country really limits the amount of nice social programs that we could have like smaller countries get to enjoy.
No it doesn't. Rabbid conservativism does. We used to have a lot more social programs and they dismantled everything. Social Security and the postal service are next on the chopping block.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
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qman said:
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Stonehenge said: Universal health care could be good and would be a bargain but it was done by obumble the fumbler and crooked politician. Since he has no clue about business or anything else, he let ins executives write the bill. Then insisted it had to be passed before anyone could know what was in it. When we get someone with smarts in there instead of a figure head clown, we can throw out the aca monstrosity and replace it with a good system.
They would have to get rid of one of the most powerful lobbyist groups in Washington, the health care industry. People are finally waking up to the fact that they bought off Obama and the Republicans with the ACA, a real tragedy.
But before you establish a universal health care system, we must get all the illegals and their children out of the country, otherwise it just won't work. In fact, we have so many cultures in the US that are likely to just abuse the fuck out of it. This "melting pot" of a country really limits the amount of nice social programs that we could have like smaller countries get to enjoy.
No it doesn't. Rabbid conservativism does. We used to have a lot more social programs and they dismantled everything. Social Security and the postal service are next on the chopping block.
"We used to have a lot more social programs"
Evidence?
"Rabbid conservativism does"
That's less likely to happen in homogenous countries, tribalism does exist and cultural diversity doesn't work, the US is proof of that fact.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
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"We used to have a lot more social programs"
Evidence?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Master_Plan_for_Higher_Education
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According to the Plan, the top one-eighth (12.5%) of graduating high school seniors would be guaranteed a place at a campus of the University of California (Berkeley, Los Angeles, etc.) tuition-free. The top one-third (33.3%) would be able to enter the California State University system (San Francisco State, Cal State L.A., etc.). Community colleges (Bakersfield College, College of the Canyons, Citrus College, etc.) would accept any students "capable of benefiting from instruction."[5]
In 1978 the People's Initiative to Limit Property Taxation [see full article] was enacted, causing the free public education to be eliminated. (Since tuition was still banned under the act, the word was replaced with per-unit enrollment fees.) Though the costs were low, many taxpayers were very angered by it, though this might have been because of the direct effects of the People's Initiative to Limit Property Taxation.
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html
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The policy that led to the release of most of the nation's mentally ill patients from the hospital to the community is now widely regarded as a major failure. Sweeping critiques of the policy, notably the recent report of the American Psychiatric Association, have spread the blame everywhere, faulting politicians, civil libertarian lawyers and psychiatrists.
The picture is one of cost-conscious policy makers, who were quick to buy optimistic projections that were, in some instances, buttressed by misinformation and by a willingness to suspend skepticism.
The records show that the politicians were dogged by the image and financial problems posed by the state hospitals and that the scientific and medical establishment sold Congress and the state legislatures a quick fix for a complicated problem that was bought sight unseen.
'They've Gone Far, Too Far'
In California, for example, the number of patients in state mental hospitals reached a peak of 37,500 in 1959 when Edmund G. Brown was Governor, fell to 22,000 when Ronald Reagan attained that office in 1967, and continued to decline under his administration and that of his successor, Edmund G. Brown Jr. The senior Mr. Brown now expresses regret about the way the policy started and ultimately evolved. ''They've gone far, too far, in letting people out,'' he said in an interview.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: ballsalsa]
#22253598 - 09/17/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The mentally ill example was the first one that came to my mind. It's so sad. We used to take care of the mentally ill, and now we lock them in prisons, or they become untreated homeless bums.
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