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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22140834 - 08/25/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Oh, indeed.
When I saw that famous speech he did from the Senate floor a couple of years ago on wealth and income gap/inequality, my first reaction was ... sheeesh, imagine if we had a president like that for once!
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I'm not sure how important this favorable and unfavorable polls really mean in NH and Iowa, but Trump is still leading the GOP.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/22/reuters-trump-widens-lead-in-poll-to-32-after-hard-line-immigration-stance/
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
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When I saw that famous speech he did from the Senate floor a couple of years ago on wealth and income gap/inequality, my first reaction was ... sheeesh, imagine if we had a president like that for once!
This one? Where he rails against Greenspan? Classic.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
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This one? Where he rails against Greenspan? Classic.
thanks for that one as it is fantastic but I like this one even better. Sanders has balls. Greenspan's another one of the psychopaths that belongs in jail.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
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qman said: I'm not sure how important this favorable and unfavorable polls really mean in NH and Iowa, but Trump is still leading the GOP.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/22/reuters-trump-widens-lead-in-poll-to-32-after-hard-line-immigration-stance/
Trump winning over the GOP is only going to push moderates towards Bernie. And with their base so ravenous against Hillary, it's a win win in my eyes.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Trump winning over the GOP is only going to push moderates towards Bernie. And with their base so ravenous against Hillary, it's a win win in my eyes.
I'd love to see an election between Trump and Sanders ... but would prefer Rand Paul vs. Sanders (not going to happen).
When push comes to shove and Trump rolls out the same GOP bullshit of lower taxes for the wealthy, less regulation for banks, more government spending (military) and more corporate welfare, the country is going to see him very differently. He's getting a free pass because he's tapping into a powder keg of racist sentiment ... but that will change.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Trump winning over the GOP is only going to push moderates towards Bernie. And with their base so ravenous against Hillary, it's a win win in my eyes.
I'd love to see an election between Trump and Sanders ... but would prefer Rand Paul vs. Sanders (not going to happen).
When push comes to shove and Trump rolls out the same GOP bullshit of lower taxes for the wealthy, less regulation for banks, more government spending (military) and more corporate welfare, the country is going to see him very differently. He's getting a free pass because he's tapping into a powder keg of racist sentiment ... but that will change.
That's why so many feel he's shilling for the Dems.
Trump's success is the consequence the GOP deserves for ignoring their grassroots base for so long, and with him as the nominee, the demographics and electoral math simply don't add up to him standing a chance, and that's against Hillary, Sanders, OR Biden.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/22/reuters-trump-widens-lead-in-poll-to-32-after-hard-line-immigration-stance/
Trump winning over the GOP is only going to push moderates towards Bernie. And with their base so ravenous against Hillary, it's a win win in my eyes.
I want to see a Trump/Sanders alignment, they're not that far apart.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
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I want to see a Trump/Sanders alignment, they're not that far apart.
That is ridiculous. They are as far apart ideologically as you can get. Trump is a billionaire. Sanders has been trying for his whole life to get the billionaires out of the political process. A self funded billionaire is the ultimate problem to a guy like Sanders.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
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qman said: I'm not sure how important this favorable and unfavorable polls really mean in NH and Iowa, but Trump is still leading the GOP.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/22/reuters-trump-widens-lead-in-poll-to-32-after-hard-line-immigration-stance/
Trump winning over the GOP is only going to push moderates towards Bernie. And with their base so ravenous against Hillary, it's a win win in my eyes.
I want to see a Trump/Sanders alignment, they're not that far apart.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22141133 - 08/25/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I want to see a Trump/Sanders alignment, they're not that far apart.
That is ridiculous. They are as far apart ideologically as you can get. Trump is a billionaire. Sanders has been trying for his whole life to get the billionaires out of the political process. A self funded billionaire is the ultimate problem to a guy like Sanders.
The foundation of Sanders economic plan is to reverse the trade agreements, same with Trump. You know, the very trade agreements that have major "consequences" for the global economy and that Trump hasn't thought through at all.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
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I want to see a Trump/Sanders alignment, they're not that far apart.
That is ridiculous. They are as far apart ideologically as you can get. Trump is a billionaire. Sanders has been trying for his whole life to get the billionaires out of the political process. A self funded billionaire is the ultimate problem to a guy like Sanders.
The foundation of Sanders economic plan is to reverse the trade agreements, same with Trump. You know, the very trade agreements that have major "consequences" for the global economy and that Trump hasn't thought through at all.
Yes, both Trump and Sanders agree our economic agenda is broken.
But that's where the agreement stops. Their solutions differ vastly. I'd love to see Trump touting wall street reform and higher taxes so his base sweeps him aside like a bad combover.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I want to see a Trump/Sanders alignment, they're not that far apart.
That is ridiculous. They are as far apart ideologically as you can get. Trump is a billionaire. Sanders has been trying for his whole life to get the billionaires out of the political process. A self funded billionaire is the ultimate problem to a guy like Sanders.
The foundation of Sanders economic plan is to reverse the trade agreements, same with Trump. You know, the very trade agreements that have major "consequences" for the global economy and that Trump hasn't thought through at all.
Yes, both Trump and Sanders agree our economic agenda is broken.
But that's where the agreement stops. Their solutions differ vastly. I'd love to see Trump touting wall street reform and higher taxes so his base sweeps him aside like a bad combover.
The foundation is the same, reversing the trade agreements. Everything else is secondary.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
#22141231 - 08/25/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is it just rhetoric or will he support full legalization of pot and perhaps other drugs?
He supports decriminalization for small quantities of all drugs, ending mandatory minimum sentencing, and expanding treatment programs. He's waiting to see how legalization goes in the states that have legalized before taking a stand.
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He is against corporate influence via lobbying, but will he sign and push a law stopping it? Or is it empty talk like we got from the lying sack of shit we have now?
He's voted for the DISCLOSE act and supported it multiple times. This month he announced that when Congress convenes again in September, he will introduce a bill making elections publicly funded. He also supports automatic registering of voters and has already introduced a bill that would make election day a national holiday. He's not just talk.
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If I could push a button that made him pres right now, I would give up hoping for trump and take the sure thing on an imperfect candidate but neither of them are a sure thing.
What draws you to Trump over Bernie? They have rather different positions in many topics, so it seems odd that Bernie would be your second choice.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
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The foundation is the same, reversing the trade agreements. Everything else is secondary.
Seriously, you have no idea what Bernie is all about if you think he and Trump are similar. He would be for big Wall Street reforms, strengthening Dodd Frank, much higher taxes on the wealthy, elimination of corporate welfare. He would be for strengthening the social safety net on every level whereas Trump would want to, in typical GOP fashion, eliminate it. Bernie will not be trying to deport 11 million latinos.
Trade is not the #1 thing on his list, just one of many. They are miles apart.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
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The foundation is the same, reversing the trade agreements. Everything else is secondary.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
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qman said: I want to see a Trump/Sanders alignment, they're not that far apart.
Agreed, but it will probably never happen. Let them both go independent after the majors shaft them out of the nomination with dirty tricks. I would love more than anything for a third party to wrest power away from the repubmocrats. Pres trump and vp sanders, that's a ticket many of us could support. But the moonbats will still take biden or bitchlary, or anyone with a d.
bal >He supports decriminalization for small quantities of all drugs, ending mandatory minimum sentencing, and expanding treatment programs. He's waiting to see how legalization goes in the states that have legalized before taking a stand.
Encouraging but waiting to take a stand = wimp out. Let him take a stand now.
>This month he announced that when Congress convenes again in September, he will introduce a bill making elections publicly funded
Does that stop candidates from raising money from pacs and corporate donors? If so, that is a major plus but I doubt that is what it means.
>He also supports automatic registering of voters
Meaning when they get a drivers license they automatically can vote like in cali? Cali gives licenses to illegals. Is sanders going to toss them out or what will he do?
>What draws you to Trump over Bernie? They have rather different positions in many topics, so it seems odd that Bernie would be your second choice.
Trump makes no bones about illegals, bernie sounds wimpy on the subject. I'd like to see more substance from trump about his stance on pot but he sounds good as does sanders. Either would shake up the status quo and make improvements. No way to get that from the bitch or jeb. Those are both more of the same crap that got us in this predicament.
Let them clarify their stances on the issues mentioned and we will see.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
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>He supports decriminalization for small quantities of all drugs, ending mandatory minimum sentencing, and expanding treatment programs. He's waiting to see how legalization goes in the states that have legalized before taking a stand.
Encouraging but waiting to take a stand = wimp out. Let him take a stand now.
It's a weak position, sure, but I don't think there's anything wrong with waiting for the data to come in before making a major policy change.
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>This month he announced that when Congress convenes again in September, he will introduce a bill making elections publicly funded
Does that stop candidates from raising money from pacs and corporate donors? If so, that is a major plus but I doubt that is what it means.
Yes, that's exactly what it means.
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Meaning when they get a drivers license they automatically can vote like in cali? Cali gives licenses to illegals. Is sanders going to toss them out or what will he do?
No. Only citizens can vote and only citizens would be registered to vote.
As for immigrants, Bernie supports increased border patrols and increased border security. He supports a path to citizenship for immigrants already living, and protection from deportation from certain, select groups (like children). Others would be deported. He also supports visa reform to stop exploiting cheap, foreign labor, but to encourage highly skilled immigration.
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>What draws you to Trump over Bernie? They have rather different positions in many topics, so it seems odd that Bernie would be your second choice.
Trump makes no bones about illegals, bernie sounds wimpy on the subject. I'd like to see more substance from trump about his stance on pot but he sounds good as does sanders. Either would shake up the status quo and make improvements. No way to get that from the bitch or jeb. Those are both more of the same crap that got us in this predicament.
Let them clarify their stances on the issues mentioned and we will see.
So is it far to say that the most important thing for you is having someone who will avoid political games? Are there any other positions that you disagree with Sanders on?
As far as clarifying positions, Trump only recently entered politics, so it will be interesting to see his official stances as they roll out. Bernie, however, has been a Senator for a long time and his track record is clear on a lot of positions. If you want a quick way to search for them, try http://feelthebern.org/. It's easy and clear on his positions and voting records.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: BoldAsLove]
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>Yes, that's exactly what it means.
that is a major plus
>Only citizens can vote and only citizens would be registered to vote.
If he can get it enforced, the dems want everyone to vote early and often.
>Bernie supports increased border patrols and increased border security. He supports a path to citizenship for immigrants already living, and protection from deportation from certain, select groups (like children). Others would be deported. He also supports visa reform to stop exploiting cheap, foreign labor, but to encourage highly skilled immigration.
Not bad but weak compared to trump. Fuck that path to citizenship for illegals, let them go home and then apply.
>So is it far to say that the most important thing for you is having someone who will avoid political games?
My most important issue is cleaning up the legal graft in govt. Get rid of that and the rest will follow. I doubt anyone can do it on their own but if a movement builds up, it might happen. Secondly would be the illegals, thirdly would be getting rid of racist laws. Fourth stopping idiotic wars we keep getting into. Fifth, probably cutting off moochy countries we have been handing over our wealth to. Not always in that order except for #1.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: It's interesting to me that Bernie is generating the same kind of crowd interest as Trump yet he gets 1/10th the media interest and coverage. And, more importantly, his message and what he's really talking about gets about 1/100th the coverage that Trumps statements on "anchor babies" gets. The message of corporate greed, exploitation of the working class and the destruction of the middle class isn't popular to the MSM.
Its because Bernie Sanders is against the status quo, and Trump is their wet dream.
Stonehenge doesn't get it in the slightest. The media will always try to stifle the candidate who is for the people. They will turn Trump into a superstar.
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