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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22127358 - 08/22/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump's dad made a fortune.  Trump borrowed money from pops to get into real estate.  This isn't a rags to riches story here.  Trump had a different starting line in life then most of us.

As far as taking from the rich to feed the poor, when executive salaries have gone up 900% in the last twenty years and the middle classes wages haven't even kept up with inflation I'd say someone is taking money but it's not the poor.




I believe Trump earned his first million working for pops on a summer job. I suppose he 'earned' that as an untrained and unskilled worker.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22127386 - 08/22/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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>The real point is that wealth and power should not be so concentrated.

So the solution is to steal from those who earned it and give to those who are lazy?




They didn't earn it. Coercing the political system for increased profits isn't earning money. Who says the poor are lazy? As I have said before, you can work 84 hours a week, every single week with out a day off for a year and make less than $35,000. That's not lazy.




"earning" is an interesting word.  So you pay off the political system, borrow from the banks and over leverage your company, buy back shares to gin up the stock and then get a huge bonus while your company is weaker because of lack of investment in R&D, poor people development programs, cuts to meet quarterly goals and every accounting trick in the book ...

In S's world, that "earning" a 30 million dollar income. 

It never ceases to amaze me how the uber wealthy have been able to brainwash a big swath of average Americans to argue and advocate for their "right" to own 90% of the assets on this planet.  S and his ilk are puppies on a leash.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22127508 - 08/22/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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>The real point is that wealth and power should not be so concentrated.

So the solution is to steal from those who earned it and give to those who are lazy?




They didn't earn it. Coercing the political system for increased profits isn't earning money. Who says the poor are lazy? As I have said before, you can work 84 hours a week, every single week with out a day off for a year and make less than $35,000. That's not lazy.




"earning" is an interesting word.  So you pay off the political system, borrow from the banks and over leverage your company, buy back shares to gin up the stock and then get a huge bonus while your company is weaker because of lack of investment in R&D, poor people development programs, cuts to meet quarterly goals and every accounting trick in the book ...

In S's world, that "earning" a 30 million dollar income. 

It never ceases to amaze me how the uber wealthy have been able to brainwash a big swath of average Americans to argue and advocate for their "right" to own 90% of the assets on this planet.  S and his ilk are puppies on a leash.




Yeah, and anyone who opposes tax breaks for the rich, or their government coercion is a 'communist' lmao! This is about as ridiculous as it gets.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22127520 - 08/22/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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>The real point is that wealth and power should not be so concentrated.

So the solution is to steal from those who earned it and give to those who are lazy?




They didn't earn it. Coercing the political system for increased profits isn't earning money. Who says the poor are lazy? As I have said before, you can work 84 hours a week, every single week with out a day off for a year and make less than $35,000. That's not lazy.




"earning" is an interesting word.  So you pay off the political system, borrow from the banks and over leverage your company, buy back shares to gin up the stock and then get a huge bonus while your company is weaker because of lack of investment in R&D, poor people development programs, cuts to meet quarterly goals and every accounting trick in the book ...

In S's world, that "earning" a 30 million dollar income. 

It never ceases to amaze me how the uber wealthy have been able to brainwash a big swath of average Americans to argue and advocate for their "right" to own 90% of the assets on this planet.  S and his ilk are puppies on a leash.




Yeah, and anyone who opposes tax breaks for the rich, or their government coercion is a 'communist' lmao! This is about as ridiculous as it gets.




Exactly .... During some of the most prosperous years of America's history, the most wealthy were taxed as much as 90%.  Why? Because even Republican Presidents like Ike understood that a super wealth class is a major threat to our democracy.

BBW - This is exactly how the super wealthy control their puppies like Stonehenge and ILS that advocate for and defend them.  They brainwash them with boundary terms like "socialism" or "communism" and just train them to hold the "red line."  Too funny. 


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22127548 - 08/22/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Exactly .... During some of the most prosperous years of America's history, the most wealthy were taxed as much as 90%.  Why? Because even Republican Presidents like Ike understood that a super wealth class is a major threat to our democracy.

BBW - This is exactly how the super wealthy control their puppies like Stonehenge and ILS that advocate for and defend them.  They brainwash them with boundary terms like "socialism" or "communism" and just train them to hold the "red line."  Too funny. 




It may be funny to someone in your shoes. To me, it's tragic.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22127609 - 08/22/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>No, I calculated it. After tax he would bring home around $32k.

You left out the "after tax" part. Here is what you said originally

>>you can work 84 hours a week, every single week with out a day off for a year and make less than $35,000.

>apparently you think people who work hard are idiots

If someone works for the federal min wage they are idiots or incompetent for anything better. As I said, most states have a higher min and most jobs are higher than that.

>CEO's actually earn $13,000/hour

Not if you figure the number of hours they actually work.

Then fish and the rest join in with the communist manifesto and song.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22127678 - 08/22/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh oh, right. That figure is based on a 40 hour work week, you're right. All CEO's work more hours than anyone else. So if they're working 80 hours a week they definitely deserve $6,500/hour.

Firstly, CEOs don't work that many hours, though they may "work" that many hours ;-)

You crack me up dude. Either you're a CEO yourself, or you're one of their doops.

You should give the communist manifesto a read. We've barely scratched the surface of that in the slightest.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22127733 - 08/22/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Back to Bernie Sanders.

I just heard Bernie discussing the idea of reinvesting in our infrastructure. The way he intends to go about doing this, is to provide federal money to the states, and allow them to decide where to spend that money (on infrastructure projects). He said he would do it this way, because the states know what they need best. What do you guys think of this approach?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22127886 - 08/22/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Back to Bernie Sanders.

I just heard Bernie discussing the idea of reinvesting in our infrastructure. The way he intends to go about doing this, is to provide federal money to the states, and allow them to decide where to spend that money (on infrastructure projects). He said he would do it this way, because the states know what they need best. What do you guys think of this approach?




Infrastructure reinvestment is something both sides agree on. Give the people jobs by spending a little money, and let the state's decide how to do it so the conservatives don't go apeshit about monstrous centralized liberal federal overlords.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22127901 - 08/22/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Back to Bernie Sanders.

I just heard Bernie discussing the idea of reinvesting in our infrastructure. The way he intends to go about doing this, is to provide federal money to the states, and allow them to decide where to spend that money (on infrastructure projects). He said he would do it this way, because the states know what they need best. What do you guys think of this approach?




Infrastructure reinvestment is something both sides agree on. Give the people jobs by spending a little money, and let the state's decide how to do it so the conservatives don't go apeshit about monstrous centralized liberal federal overlords.




Yeah, but I really do think that giving the power to the states is a good way to go. I just hope the incredible corruption in Republican states doesn't lead them to squander the money to their billionaire buddies instead of actually creating jobs.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22127940 - 08/22/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Back to Bernie Sanders.

I just heard Bernie discussing the idea of reinvesting in our infrastructure. The way he intends to go about doing this, is to provide federal money to the states, and allow them to decide where to spend that money (on infrastructure projects). He said he would do it this way, because the states know what they need best. What do you guys think of this approach?




Infrastructure reinvestment is something both sides agree on. Give the people jobs by spending a little money, and let the state's decide how to do it so the conservatives don't go apeshit about monstrous centralized liberal federal overlords.




"Liberal Federal Overlords" ---LMAO .... Why is it that we were able to do monstrous infrastructure projects in the 50's and get stuff really done?  Bridges, interstates, dams, water supply systems ... you name it.  But now, we can't do anything?  Conservatives today seem to love corporate welfare in every form imaginable but reinvesting in America is a liberal commie plot to sink the nation in more debt.

I'd like to see some alternatives to military service for young people such as an infrastructure corps and/or a health corps and/or kids mentoring corps ... stuff like that.  2-4 years of service in exchange for college tuition credits.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22127944 - 08/22/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
Back to Bernie Sanders.

I just heard Bernie discussing the idea of reinvesting in our infrastructure. The way he intends to go about doing this, is to provide federal money to the states, and allow them to decide where to spend that money (on infrastructure projects). He said he would do it this way, because the states know what they need best. What do you guys think of this approach?




Infrastructure reinvestment is something both sides agree on. Give the people jobs by spending a little money, and let the state's decide how to do it so the conservatives don't go apeshit about monstrous centralized liberal federal overlords.




Obama promised major infrastructure investment since day one, yet it really hasn't happened.

The people at the top don't want any stimulative economic polices, they prefer no growth and no inflation, it's the same in every developed economy.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22127950 - 08/22/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You crack me up dude. Either you're a CEO yourself, or you're one of their doops.

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DEFINITELY he's one of the doops.  A lapdog of the super wealth class that's been brainwashed and doesn't know it.  Oblivious to how oblivious he is.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22127964 - 08/22/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
Back to Bernie Sanders.

I just heard Bernie discussing the idea of reinvesting in our infrastructure. The way he intends to go about doing this, is to provide federal money to the states, and allow them to decide where to spend that money (on infrastructure projects). He said he would do it this way, because the states know what they need best. What do you guys think of this approach?




Infrastructure reinvestment is something both sides agree on. Give the people jobs by spending a little money, and let the state's decide how to do it so the conservatives don't go apeshit about monstrous centralized liberal federal overlords.




Obama promised major infrastructure investment since day one, yet it really hasn't happened.

The people at the top don't want any stimulative economic polices, they prefer no growth and no inflation, it's the same in every developed economy.




Bernie isn't Obama. He's stuck to his guns on everything. They are not comparable.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22127969 - 08/22/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:

You crack me up dude. Either you're a CEO yourself, or you're one of their doops.

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DEFINITELY he's one of the doops.  A lapdog of the super wealth class that's been brainwashed and doesn't know it.  Oblivious to how oblivious he is.




Yeah. I'm not trying to talk shit. I was just being honest.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22127980 - 08/22/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think the wealth gap is a lot easier to solve than we think.  It isn't that complicated. 

1) Offer corporations a tax option to reduce their taxes by reducing the wealth gap.  Cut corporate taxes in half for companies that cut the pay gap top to bottom to no more than 25X.
2) Eliminate all corporate welfare
3) Make it illegal for corporations to lobby the government in any way, shape or form including giving money to campaigns ... same for churches, unions and non-profits.
4) Maximum political contribution per year by anyone is $1,000 and that includes candidates
5) Force total and complete transparency of any agreements that any politician makes with anyone in exchange for campaign cash.  Teethy jail time and big whistleblower incentives to out the truth.
6) Every five years put out a 25% net worth tax on anyone with over 1 billion in net worth to close the deficit and pay down the debt.  If they leave the US, they lose their citizenship, passport and ability to travel back to the US for 10 years.

That should do it.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22127981 - 08/22/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
Back to Bernie Sanders.

I just heard Bernie discussing the idea of reinvesting in our infrastructure. The way he intends to go about doing this, is to provide federal money to the states, and allow them to decide where to spend that money (on infrastructure projects). He said he would do it this way, because the states know what they need best. What do you guys think of this approach?




Infrastructure reinvestment is something both sides agree on. Give the people jobs by spending a little money, and let the state's decide how to do it so the conservatives don't go apeshit about monstrous centralized liberal federal overlords.




Obama promised major infrastructure investment since day one, yet it really hasn't happened.

The people at the top don't want any stimulative economic polices, they prefer no growth and no inflation, it's the same in every developed economy.




Bernie isn't Obama. He's stuck to his guns on everything. They are not comparable.




The President still needs Congress to pass the budget, so it's not so easy.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
    #22128145 - 08/22/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>Oh oh, right. That figure is based on a 40 hour work week, you're right. All CEO's work more hours than anyone else. So if they're working 80 hours a week they definitely deserve $6,500/hour.

If you can con someone into giving you that much, go for it. Same for them.

>You should give the communist manifesto a read.

I knew itl!!!

>I'm not trying to talk shit.

You do it a lot, same as your fishy pal

I will say, as I've said before, that Bernie sounds like a much better candidate than the hill+billy. Outside of trump, I'd like paul, after that sanders. What about our little bet? Not a big fake bluff bet like, (cough) someone we know. A friendly little bet. I would love to lose that bet because if Bernie gets in then trump will have an easy go of it. If bernie doesn't get the nod, then I get a small compensation. Even money and if trump wins the presidency and Bernie doesn't win the nomination i'll still pay off. I'll be so happy I won't care.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22128397 - 08/22/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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>Oh oh, right. That figure is based on a 40 hour work week, you're right. All CEO's work more hours than anyone else. So if they're working 80 hours a week they definitely deserve $6,500/hour.

If you can con someone into giving you that much, go for it. Same for them.

>You should give the communist manifesto a read.

I knew itl!!!

>I'm not trying to talk shit.

You do it a lot, same as your fishy pal

I will say, as I've said before, that Bernie sounds like a much better candidate than the hill+billy. Outside of trump, I'd like paul, after that sanders. What about our little bet? Not a big fake bluff bet like, (cough) someone we know. A friendly little bet. I would love to lose that bet because if Bernie gets in then trump will have an easy go of it. If bernie doesn't get the nod, then I get a small compensation. Even money and if trump wins the presidency and Bernie doesn't win the nomination i'll still pay off. I'll be so happy I won't care.




That's the point. We're not being conned any longer. That's why I support Bernie Sanders.

As I've said before: Don't hate the playa, hate the game! ... and then fix it! ;-)


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22128430 - 08/22/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
I will say, as I've said before, that Bernie sounds like a much better candidate than the hill+billy. Outside of trump, I'd like paul, after that sanders. What about our little bet? Not a big fake bluff bet like, (cough) someone we know. A friendly little bet. I would love to lose that bet because if Bernie gets in then trump will have an easy go of it. If bernie doesn't get the nod, then I get a small compensation. Even money and if trump wins the presidency and Bernie doesn't win the nomination i'll still pay off. I'll be so happy I won't care.




I won't make a bet that Sanders will win the primary, though I have high hopes.

I will bet you that if he does win the primary, he will take the presidency. We will have to see if he wins the primary first though!

By the way, I wasn't trying to talk shit to you personally. That's just how I feel. I think a lot of people have been dooped. My grandparents (Both of whom I have great respect for) are both Republicans. I think they've been dooped too. Interestingly enough, my grandpa, who is super conservative, really likes Bernie AND Trump.


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