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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22124320 - 08/21/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: What bet?
The bet you've been bringing up over and over and over.
when will you guys whip out your dicks and the tale measure?
that's the only way to settle this shit
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22124325 - 08/21/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: How you get this shit so wrong baffles me. Walmart shouldn't give, nor get, money from politicians.
I agree with this. They should pay taxes. Taxes should be set the same for all corporations, and they shouldn't receive subsidies.
Are you saying they shouldn't hire senators as lobbyists too?
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22124334 - 08/21/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: It all comes down to bribery like I've been saying for years.
You're right. This is part of the reason I like Bernie idea for making elections publicly funded.
so what you and bernie are saying is that $19trillion isnt enough debt
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Stonehenge said: It all comes down to bribery like I've been saying for years.
You're right. This is part of the reason I like Bernie idea for making elections publicly funded.
so what you and bernie are saying is that $19trillion isnt enough debt
The debt will only increase if we don't change the political atmosphere.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22124432 - 08/21/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: What bet?
The bet you've been bringing up over and over and over.
when will you guys whip out your dicks and the tale measure?
that's the only way to settle this shit
I already have.
Two inch dick..but it spins
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22124437 - 08/21/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: How you get this shit so wrong baffles me. Walmart shouldn't give, nor get, money from politicians.
I agree with this. They should pay taxes. Taxes should be set the same for all corporations, and they shouldn't receive subsidies.
Are you saying they shouldn't hire senators as lobbyists too?
I'd love to see an amendment prohibiting it.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22124514 - 08/21/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Give companies that voluntarily shrink the pay gap a big tax break. Make companies that put money into influencing government pay a tax surcharge for their efforts to "tax the system." Do the same for churches and charities and unions.
Create a one time wealth tax of 25% of all net worth over 1 billion to help pay down the national debt. Whatever the deficit is every year, increases taxes on the 500 largest corporations in the country to pay it. When the country wants a war, tax the wealthiest an additional 15% to pay for it.
Let's get serious about getting the people that have the money to actually pay for all the advantages they have in the amazing country.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22124600 - 08/21/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My opinion of wage controls hasn't altered since we last discussed it.
Your suggestion we should punish the successful is quite ludicrous. And really? Tax surcharges? The IRS in charge of punishing people? Right.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22124618 - 08/21/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Give companies that voluntarily shrink the pay gap a big tax break. Make companies that put money into influencing government pay a tax surcharge for their efforts to "tax the system." Do the same for churches and charities and unions.
Create a one time wealth tax of 25% of all net worth over 1 billion to help pay down the national debt. Whatever the deficit is every year, increases taxes on the 500 largest corporations in the country to pay it. When the country wants a war, tax the wealthiest an additional 15% to pay for it.
Let's get serious about getting the people that have the money to actually pay for all the advantages they have in the amazing country.
I like the one time 25% redistribution tax idea. I want them to call it the 'redistribution tax' too! Lmao
I say we make the manufacture of military equipment a government affair also. Have government take over companies like Haliburton too (not literally take the company, but take over the work and stop contracting them). Military affairs should be exclusively governmental affairs.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22124804 - 08/21/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: My opinion of wage controls hasn't altered since we last discussed it.
Your suggestion we should punish the successful is quite ludicrous. And really? Tax surcharges? The IRS in charge of punishing people? Right.

You're against "wage controls" but advocate relentlessly for corporations to have more and more influence on politics. The size and wealth of these corporations is tearing this country apart. Our government is not set up to effectively LIMIT the power of corporations with billions and billions of spending power.
Our government has been bought off by the uber wealth class. They have way too much wealth. One human controlling billions and billions of wealth that is effectively removed from the economy and parked in all these economic intersections that grow and grow and grow essentially scalping more money from the economy. It's too much.
John Adams said America was formed as a direct reaction against the wealthy that were controlling the colonies ... against the Bank of England and our Founders LOATHED the influence of money on British politics.
You and your ilk defend and advocate for the uber wealth class. It's disgusting.
We have separation of church and state ... we now need separation of corporation and state. Break up the big ones. Tax them. Shrink then. Make them compete. Get them out of the political process. Shrink the pay gap. Put more wealth back into the economy CIRCULATING and working. Build the middle class.
Stop being a tool for the uber wealthy. Find your humanity.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22125707 - 08/22/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My humanity is just fine.
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luvdemshrooms said: My opinion of wage controls hasn't altered since we last discussed it.
Your suggestion we should punish the successful is quite ludicrous. And really? Tax surcharges? The IRS in charge of punishing people? Right.

Your quite the lil' totalitarian. Fortunately, what you want will likely never come to pass. There's too much common sense in the world for that to happen.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22125775 - 08/22/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: It all comes down to bribery like I've been saying for years.
You're right. This is part of the reason I like Bernie idea for making elections publicly funded.
so what you and bernie are saying is that $19trillion isnt enough debt
Or maybe if we don't elect politicians beholden to corporations, our public coffers won't be raided by corporations.
Obama's campaign spent just over a billion last election. Erase one boondoggle like the F-35 and you have enough money to fund a century worth of those campaigns.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22125834 - 08/22/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Construct an argument then explaining why it's dumb.
I need to explain why the equivalent of giving away money is a bad thing for government to do? If they do it for one, they should do it for all. Or none. Tax breaks pick winners and losers. If you owned a business, would you want your government giving you the finger?
It's not what you're saying at all though. I explained exactly how it works in reality. The tax revenue wal-mart moves out of town is tax revenue already in the city budget. The city can either lose money or give wal-mart a tax break so that it breaks even.
What about this don't you get? Or are you just being deliberately obtuse?
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Do you want your town center dying because your city council gave tax breaks?
Obviously not. Which is why I said earlier that no one wants wal-mart around. But given the choice of a wal-mart on the edge of town hemorrhaging sales tax revenue or 500ft inside of city limits, most towns will choose the later, even if it means cutting wal-mart a break on property taxes.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22125936 - 08/22/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: No, I want walmart to pay employees enough so they don't need fucking food stamps while working full time. This is such a bullshit line, and you know it. If you really believe this garbage, then you have a lot of learning to do.
They do make enough to not need food stamps. If you think otherwise you have a lot of learning to do. Walmart employees in the US are among the richest people on the planet and can afford to consume far more resources than most people ever could and also more resources than the earth can support per capita. What you are advocating for here is akin to bailing out the rich.
They don't need food stamps. They may be entitled to them under the current program, they don't "need" them.
You're really just gonna sneak in the median global wage and act like it applies in any way to qualifications for SNAP assistance in the United States?
I didn't mention the median global wage. I mentioned the finite amount of resources on the earth and how much the US "poor" really consume. They consume tons. You can ignore it if you like, but its a constraint that is real.
Being in the top 10% of consumers and one of the most overweight demographics on the planet entitles you to food assistance - that is not sustainable. If you want to exploit the rest of the world so that walmart employees can go from the top 10% to the top 5% you should admit that is what you want to do.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: DieCommie]
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Walmart employees in the US are among the richest people on the planet
Ok.
Then we agree. And yet you want them to consume more and get more. Why do you want to help the rich rather than the poor? Is it nationalist bigotry? Americans deserve to be in the top 5% no matter how good or bad they are at their job, the rest of the world is there to service us. Do you just not care about the environment or the rest of the world? I don't believe that, I think you do care but aren't willing to put two and two together because it leads to an uncomfortable fact - the US expectation of a baseline standard is extreme and unsustainable. Walmart workers don't need more to live, and comparing them to the world is not comparing them to starving Africans.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Every corporation is free to choose its mission ... purpose ... reason for being.
I find it repulsive when Americans run a business with the purpose of making a tiny group of people (shareholders) that probably don't even work in the company wealthy with little regard for how poor the people are that actually do the work in the company to create the profits.
Maybe what we need is greater sharing of the profits. Plain and simple. Think about giving the little guys an extra $5,000 before you give the big guys another 30milion.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Walmart employees in the US are among the richest people on the planet
Ok.
AND ... thousands and thousands of them live in poverty and need government assistance to get by.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22126045 - 08/22/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: What about this don't you get? Or are you just being deliberately obtuse?
Nope, but I sure think you are.
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Do you want your town center dying because your city council gave tax breaks?
Obviously not. Which is why I said earlier that no one wants wal-mart around. But given the choice of a wal-mart on the edge of town hemorrhaging sales tax revenue or 500ft inside of city limits, most towns will choose the later, even if it means cutting wal-mart a break on property taxes.
And you were wrong about no-one wanting Walmart around. Are you being deliberately obtuse? If people didn't want Walmart, there would be no Walmart.
Now, Walmart should be able to open stores where they wish, provided they comply with local laws and pay their taxes. The city councils are wrong to give any company tax breaks. Expenses for cities go up when Walmart arrives. Businesses close. You seem to think it's OK that more expense translates to lower property taxes. You seem to think it's OK for councils to give tax breaks that cause other businesses to close. I don't.
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All that retail and economic muscle hasn’t come without significant controversy. A 2008 study from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology indicates that Wal-Mart’s rapid expansion in the 1980s and 1990s was responsible for 40% to 50% of the decline in the number of small discount stores. According to 2014 research in Social Science Quarterly, a similar effect continues: On average, within 15 months of a new Wal-Mart store’s opening, as many as 14 existing retail establishments close. Other research has found that the arrival of Wal-Mart stores was associated with increased obesity of area residents, higher crime rates relative to communities that were not by stores, lower overall employment at the county level, and lower per-acre tax revenues than mixed-use development.
http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/municipal/impact-big-box-retailers-employment-wages-crime-health
Yup. That's some good deal right there. For Walmart. What about the other people in the area? Government should fund the end of their businesses?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: DieCommie]
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Walmart employees in the US are among the richest people on the planet
Ok.
Then we agree. And yet you want them to consume more and get more. Why do you want to help the rich rather than the poor? Is it nationalist bigotry? Americans deserve to be in the top 5% no matter how good or bad they are at their job, the rest of the world is there to service us. Do you just not care about the environment or the rest of the world? I don't believe that, I think you do care but aren't willing to put two and two together because it leads to an uncomfortable fact - the US expectation of a baseline standard is extreme and unsustainable. Walmart workers don't need more to live, and comparing them to the world is not comparing them to starving Africans.
I don't have legal authority to vote in other countries, although I would advocate the changes I want here abroad all the same.
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