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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22123258 - 08/21/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The government should be doing neither.

However, since they do, Walmart would be stupid not to take it.




Walmart influences governments to do it. They're one of the biggest lobby groups in Washington. Its called 'predatory capitalism'.





"The government should be doing neither.

However, since they do, Walmart would be stupid not to take it."


The answer remains the same.




Well I guess you allow corporation a pass on unethical business practices, but I don't.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22123274 - 08/21/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Depends on your goals.  Wal-Mart has a shit reputation and tactics like this are part of the reason.  PR can and does affect who shops at your stores.

For comparison a Costco is opening up just down the street from here.  Costco is paying for millions of dollars of road construction rather than bullying the town into paying for it.  They also pay their employees better injecting more money back into the local economy.

I'll be shopping at Costco and avoiding Wal-Mart even more than I do now.




How does that in any way change what I said?

Government offers money, Walmart takes money. Government is stupid for offering it, Walmart would be stupid not to take it.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22123279 - 08/21/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I hang with one of my lawyers. He was astonished someone would propose such stupidity and immediately pointed out several ways to run a scam.






My Lord you are hysterical.  The laughs have been priceless.  Nothing more funny than seeing someone shoot their mouth off, get called on it and then cower in the corner like a child.  Lawyers write contracts for a living. If you've got a lawyer that can't confirm the identity of an individual through a sworn notary, then you've got a terrible lawyer.  This stuff is done thousands of times a day all over the world.  People enter into and sign agreements with people they've never met constantly.  You make so much stuff up it's just a crack up watching you do your silly  tap dance to cover your cowardice.

Walmart is everything that's wrong with predatory capitalism all rolled into one big grotesque package.  They are the ultimate case study for government / corporate collusion that is destroying America's economy. 

In 150 years, if humanity progresses as quickly as we have the last 150 years, we will look back on this era and companies like Walmart much the way we do the institution of slavery today.  We will look at the idiotic dimwits that fell for their corporate brainwashing that defended these predatory blood sucking corporations as some "flag of freedom" in america as the dumbest people America has ever produced.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22123285 - 08/21/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Well I guess you allow corporation a pass on unethical business practices, but I don't.




I've been pretty clear that I don't approve of the money being offered. I've been equally clear that I don't blame Walmart for taking it.

How you equate that to me  "allowing a corporation a pass" boggles my mind.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22123291 - 08/21/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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My Lord you are hysterical.  The laughs have been priceless.  Nothing more funny than seeing someone shoot their mouth off, get called on it and then cower in the corner like a child.  Lawyers write contracts for a living. If you've got a lawyer that can't confirm the identity of an individual through a sworn notary, then you've got a terrible lawyer.  This stuff is done thousands of times a day all over the world.  People enter into and sign agreements with people they've never met constantly.  You make so much stuff up it's just a crack up watching you do your silly  tap dance to cover your cowardice.




If you say so. Fortunately, stupidity doesn't work for me.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22123337 - 08/21/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Depends on your goals.  Wal-Mart has a shit reputation and tactics like this are part of the reason.  PR can and does affect who shops at your stores.

For comparison a Costco is opening up just down the street from here.  Costco is paying for millions of dollars of road construction rather than bullying the town into paying for it.  They also pay their employees better injecting more money back into the local economy.

I'll be shopping at Costco and avoiding Wal-Mart even more than I do now.




I absolutely refuse to shop at Walmart.  2 christmas's ago, my roommates wanted to get a tree at Walmart.  I insisted that i wouldn't chip in on a walmart tree because i don't give them my money.  i convinced them to check out the local community college christmas tree lot.  The trees were nicer, and actually about 20 bucks cheaper than what Walmart had on offer.  Of course, those roommates didn't learn the lesson, and they buy almost everything from Walmart to this day :tard:.(i don't have roommates anymore, but we stay in touch).


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22123387 - 08/21/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>The bet you've been bringing up over and over and over.

I've asked you countless times what are the details and always you run for cover throwing insults and babble over your shoulder like a squid squirting ink and swimming away from danger.

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>He knows what the bet is.

If you are referring to me, I do not know and have been trying to find out. Some nonsense about being on the best seller list for a length of time plus having a major corporation. This was said to you that it was bigger than your business. The part about verifying was never made clear. KO fish said something dumb about it could be settled in 15 seconds which tells me he is trying to pull a fast one.

If the fish is legit, why would he not provide the details to a trusted member as I already suggested? Why would he be worried about revealing his identity? He never talks about drugs and talk is protected speech anyway. What is he so worried about?

I've seen countless braggers, blowhards and fakes. They have certain characteristics in common that you begin to spot after a while. Certain contradictions, the fact they make stuff up on the spot, and so on. Why does he refuse to provide the details of the agreement he is proposing? I'm supposed to agree with something and then he makes up the rules later? I don't think so.

I will flog the dead horse again. He can't show any evidence that corporations or any sort of company has to pay income tax in states it does not have a presence. This alone shows he is full of wind and not much else. If he made that up, he made it all up.

Time to fess up, fish.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22123394 - 08/21/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Well I guess you allow corporation a pass on unethical business practices, but I don't.




I've been pretty clear that I don't approve of the money being offered. I've been equally clear that I don't blame Walmart for taking it.

How you equate that to me  "allowing a corporation a pass" boggles my mind.




I blame walmart for coercing government to give it to them.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22123415 - 08/21/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I blame government for giving it.

Do you blame obese kids with no self control or do you blame the parents who should know better?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22123423 - 08/21/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I blame government for giving it.

Do you blame obese kids with no self control or do you blame the parents who should know better?




It's not so simple as that. Corporations can actually have more power/influence than government. Children can't. I don't see government as being 'daddy' anyways.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22123431 - 08/21/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yet, it is just that simple.

Government should "just say no".


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22123468 - 08/21/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It all comes down to legal bribery as I've been saying for years. Stop the graft, payola, gifts, contributions, whatever you want to call them. Stop them entirely for pacs, and non citizens. We are in the situation where foreign countries are picking our candidates.

Without legal bribery wm would have little more influence over govt than you or i.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22123746 - 08/21/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Depends on your goals.  Wal-Mart has a shit reputation and tactics like this are part of the reason.  PR can and does affect who shops at your stores.

For comparison a Costco is opening up just down the street from here.  Costco is paying for millions of dollars of road construction rather than bullying the town into paying for it.  They also pay their employees better injecting more money back into the local economy.

I'll be shopping at Costco and avoiding Wal-Mart even more than I do now.




How does that in any way change what I said?

Government offers money, Walmart takes money. Government is stupid for offering it, Walmart would be stupid not to take it.




First of all I see what you're saying, though I disagree that the government is stupid for offering it because the real world just isn't this black and white.

If a Walmart opens up just on the edge of town it's taking tax revenue that's already being generated by local businesses with it.  The city council can negotiate to move the city limits to include the newly opened Walmart within it's borders.  Neighboring communities will be thinking the same.

I have no idea how the county resolves these things but a city can't just move it's borders.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22123807 - 08/21/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That still changes none of what I said.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22123886 - 08/21/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dude, I agreed with half of what you said.  You want to paint this picture of city councils being dumb and walmart being smart and it's bullshit.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22123908 - 08/21/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It all comes down to legal bribery as I've been saying for years. Stop the graft, payola, gifts, contributions, whatever you want to call them. Stop them entirely for pacs, and non citizens. We are in the situation where foreign countries are picking our candidates.

Without legal bribery wm would have little more influence over govt than you or i.




There's no bribery involved in what we're talking about.  Walmart likes to open up shop right on the edge of town so they don't have to pay the city any taxes on their property, which is fair.

But when they open up shop they take tax revenue being generated within the city outside of city limits.

Cities often offer Walmart property tax breaks so they don't lose the sales tax revenue.

lds is half right; this is smart on Walmarts part.  Who wants to pay property taxes?  Where he's wrong is that the city council doesn't want to lose tax revenue.  So they're smart to offer them tax breaks.

I have a lot of problems with Walmart but setting up shop on the edge of town really isn't one of them.  I may have misrepresented my position earlier but it's easy to fall into the fuck Walmart mindset :shrug:

*edit*  And to be fair to Walmart here.  Setting up shop outside of city limits is pretty standard practice for large businesses.  The above scenarios happen everyday all over the country with lots of big business.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22123947 - 08/21/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dude, I agreed with half of what you said.  You want to paint this picture of city councils being dumb and walmart being smart and it's bullshit.




Walmart wants to make/save as much as possible. Government gives them handouts to help them.


Hmmm. Sounds exactly like Walmart is smart and government is dumb.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22123990 - 08/21/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

lol at you still trying to construct this narrative.  Here let me edit that shit to put it in perspective for everyone else.

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Walmart wants to make/save as much as possible.  City councils want to make/save as much as possible so they give Walmart property tax breaks so they don't hemorrhage sales tax revenue.

Hmmm.  Sounds exactly like lds is stuck in/trying to create a narrative of city councils being dumb and Walmart being smart




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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22124009 - 08/21/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Wm could not get away with a lot of that without bribes. They locate within city limits much more often than outside of them. So you have bribery to make the laws favorable to them and you have govt competing to lure jobs into their area. Its a little like pro sports teams demanding a new stadium or they will not move to your area.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22124048 - 08/21/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Walmart isn't creating jobs.  It just moves them around and often depresses wages in the area.  It also takes the revenue out of the community were as a small business owner would be more likely to spend that money locally.

No one really wants Walmart around.  But when they decide to open up shop city councils negotiate tax breaks so they don't lose out on the sales tax.

The city council really has no choice in the matter.  Walmart will open when it decides to open.  The only say the city council has is if they give a tax break to encourage Walmart to build within city limits instead of on county land.


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