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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
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"Trump is a full fledged member of the billionaire club"
So that disqualifies all of his good proposals that the other candidates fail to address? Everyone knows he's a billionaire and that's actually his strong point, he doesn't need corporate interests to run his campaign, he can talk about whatever the fuck he wants and people like it.
Trump's premise that he's a billionaire, can't be bought and therefore will be a great president is pretty strange and add to that that some "deals" will set America straight ... even stranger. How is Trump going to change the competitive forces on our planet? I think he might be naive about political power and how much cooperation is needed to get things done.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
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"Trump is a full fledged member of the billionaire club"
So that disqualifies all of his good proposals that the other candidates fail to address? Everyone knows he's a billionaire and that's actually his strong point, he doesn't need corporate interests to run his campaign, he can talk about whatever the fuck he wants and people like it.
Trump's premise that he's a billionaire, can't be bought and therefore will be a great president is pretty strange and add to that that some "deals" will set America straight ... even stranger. How is Trump going to change the competitive forces on our planet? I think he might be naive about political power and how much cooperation is needed to get things done.
I could see him being the 'king' of executive actions. He seems like the kinda guy who thinks POTUS is King.
Let's just go through a little logical process here. Who buys politicians? Large corporations and billionaires. What is the Trump? A frekken billionaire. Nobody needs to buy him, he's one of theirs. How stupid. Trump is a fucking ego-maniac, whilst simultaneously having an ego as fragile as a child's. If Putin blew him off he'd go straight to nukes, and while some here find that 'take no prisoners' attitude nobel, I find it detestible.
More than ever we need someone with a level head running the show, and Trump doesn't even remotely fit that qualification. Am I off?
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22120783 - 08/21/15 05:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Neither you or your bud showed any guts. Both of you backed down. I'll pay the attorney directly, no need to send money to either one of you bogus posers. I gave you a risk free way to back up your tough talk and you cowered. I'll put my money up tomorrow. Quick call to the attorney and we're up and running.
This again? Backed down?
No backing down, just not filled with insecurities like you.
Thanks for showing why that was the correct decision.
Still laughing.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: Don't you know who I am?

*note to the humor impaired... not an actual quote, but instead based on perceived maturity level of clown.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22121010 - 08/21/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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No backing down, just not filled with insecurities like you.
Yet you demonstrate you are filled with party pushing nonsense, spoon fed slogans from the uber wealth class, inability to back up nonsense accusations and a severe lack of humor yet you can't stop laughing at yourself.
You're led around by a class that simply exploits you like a puppy on a leash.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22121024 - 08/21/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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More than ever we need someone with a level head running the show, and Trump doesn't even remotely fit that qualification. Am I off?
I think this is probably, BBW, the #1 issue with Trump. If he doesn't get his way, what does he do? If Putin challenges him, what does he do ??? Move Nukes into Ukraine?
Trump is an EXTREME risk taker and always has been. That isn't exactly what you want for the Presidency. His proclamations of going around the world and "taking the oil" is laughable. If he thinks Iraqis are just going to sit back and watch the US grab the oil fields for ourselves without some kind of reaction to that, he's nuts. I think he's quick with remarks that excite the emotional voter but he really doesn't think it all through. Challenge the 14th amendment??? LMAO ... those families will still be here even in 2024 on the last day of his second term.
So he slaps China with some teethy tariffs and they decide to dump 500 Billion in US Treasuries on the market and devastate our stock market?
Your move, Trump!
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22121042 - 08/21/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said:
"Trump is a full fledged member of the billionaire club"
So that disqualifies all of his good proposals that the other candidates fail to address? Everyone knows he's a billionaire and that's actually his strong point, he doesn't need corporate interests to run his campaign, he can talk about whatever the fuck he wants and people like it.
Trump's premise that he's a billionaire, can't be bought and therefore will be a great president is pretty strange and add to that that some "deals" will set America straight ... even stranger. How is Trump going to change the competitive forces on our planet? I think he might be naive about political power and how much cooperation is needed to get things done.
I could see him being the 'king' of executive actions. He seems like the kinda guy who thinks POTUS is King.
Let's just go through a little logical process here. Who buys politicians? Large corporations and billionaires. What is the Trump? A frekken billionaire. Nobody needs to buy him, he's one of theirs. How stupid. Trump is a fucking ego-maniac, whilst simultaneously having an ego as fragile as a child's. If Putin blew him off he'd go straight to nukes, and while some here find that 'take no prisoners' attitude nobel, I find it detestible.
More than ever we need someone with a level head running the show, and Trump doesn't even remotely fit that qualification. Am I off?
"even remotely fit that qualification"
Either did the community organizer called Obama, new flash- the US President doesn't govern US foreign policy. Do you really think they would let a black liberal from Chicago run the most powerful military on the planet?
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
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More than ever we need someone with a level head running the show, and Trump doesn't even remotely fit that qualification. Am I off?
I think this is probably, BBW, the #1 issue with Trump. If he doesn't get his way, what does he do? If Putin challenges him, what does he do ??? Move Nukes into Ukraine?
Trump is an EXTREME risk taker and always has been. That isn't exactly what you want for the Presidency. His proclamations of going around the world and "taking the oil" is laughable. If he thinks Iraqis are just going to sit back and watch the US grab the oil fields for ourselves without some kind of reaction to that, he's nuts. I think he's quick with remarks that excite the emotional voter but he really doesn't think it all through. Challenge the 14th amendment??? LMAO ... those families will still be here even in 2024 on the last day of his second term.
So he slaps China with some teethy tariffs and they decide to dump 500 Billion in US Treasuries on the market and devastate our stock market?
Your move, Trump!
If you think the US has no ability to control its own destiny, why do you even care who's elected?
The US can cancel all of its "trade" agreements and end up just fine, thinking otherwise is complete nonsense, only the globalists will try to convince people that Obama and the gang has no choice, its BS.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: ballsalsa]
#22121090 - 08/21/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ball, I looked at your first link and its a typical liberal boo hoo article focusing on one person. A young person 20 years old who makes 8.75 an hour and tries to feed a family on that. Whose fault is that? Are they supposed to pay everyone including temp and part time enough to feed a family? How big a family? Next we will see boo hoo articles about how much joy their 10 kids bring them and mean old wm doesn't pay enough for them to live high on the hog. Ho hum.
What has that to do with wm? How does that show the majority of wm workers need food stamps? It doesn't, its a cherry picked example. The part about Chinese goods, whose fault is that? The merchant or the public who demands cheap goods at cheap prices? What about the fact virtually all merchants sell the same Chinese junk?
Then I see the bluffer and faker is back at it. He doesn't like my plan to send lds money, he wants him to go out, spend his own time, his own money, and then maybe ko will send something to the lawyer. Maybe. LDS does not trust ko and I don't blame him. KO flies off the handle and goes apparently nuts on a regular basis. Any opposition to his whacky views and he is off to the races. How could you have any confidence in someone like that? No way someone with so little maturity could run a major company and succeed.
He will start again no doubt with the childish insults. I had to block his pm's because he filled my inbox with the same crap. This is a major ceo? A best selling author? Someone who gets paid lots of money for speeches? Someone who writes contracts every day? He still can't give a link to the exact law saying a business must pay income tax in every state it does business which is nonsense. All he came up with was links to message boards and the like. He should call up his big shot accountant, maybe he could give the answer? 
If ko really could back up his wild stories, he could very easily verify it with someone on the board that we all trust to look over the info and say yes its true, or no way to verify (most likely) or an obvious case of id theft. That too is likely.
I asked what are bernies positions on the issues, little sad woof could not come up with anything and said look it up yourself. Patlal had no problem giving us a list of trump's positions on issues, his platform in other words. The only thing I didn't see addressed was the pot issue but maybe he is on record for that but does not put it front and center.
So we have a merchant who pays competitive wages, manages to pay a dividend to its stockholders, many of whom are wm employees, and sells some Chinese goods same as everyone else. Somehow that makes them the face of evil and they must be destroyed. Do you begin to see why most of the world sees the far left as a bit loony? WM is the biggest private employer in usa and the 'bats want to shut them down. Brilliant move, that will help our underemployment problem a bunch, won't it?
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: qman]
#22121129 - 08/21/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you think the US has no ability to control its own destiny, why do you even care who's elected?
The US can cancel all of its "trade" agreements and end up just fine, thinking otherwise is complete nonsense, only the globalists will try to convince people that Obama and the gang has no choice, its BS.
Can the US cancel all its global trade agreements? I guess. Then what? What if China slaps a rare earth metals export "tax" on US companies that increases the price by 300%?
It's not that the US can't do these extreme things because we can, but the consequences when you break agreements can be unexpected and severe. The global supply chain right now is very fragile. Just in time everything has reduced the need for costly inventories and driven profits while reducing costs but it increases a lot of risk as well.
What if Asia just decides, as a result of these trade agreements being broken, not to play with the US Dollar anymore as the global reserve currency?
All I'm saying is you gotta think these things through.
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KO, your naivete is astounding
>What if China slaps a rare earth metals export "tax" on US companies that increases the price by 300%?
They would have done it already if they could. Everyone charges as much as the market will bear. You didn't know that did you? If china tries a cash grab, other counties pick up the business and china loses.
>What if Asia just decides, as a result of these trade agreements being broken, not to play with the US Dollar anymore as the global reserve currency?
"what if"?? They have been trying to replace the dollar for a while now. You really should keep up with things like that since you have a huge international company and all, lol. But the dollar remains king.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
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No backing down, just not filled with insecurities like you.
Yet you demonstrate you are filled with party pushing nonsense, spoon fed slogans from the uber wealth class, inability to back up nonsense accusations and a severe lack of humor yet you can't stop laughing at yourself.
You're led around by a class that simply exploits you like a puppy on a leash.
Still laughing. 
And I'm not a member, nor believer in, any party. They all suck. But you go right on beclowning yourself. It's fun to watch.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
#22121381 - 08/21/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If ko really could back up his wild stories, he could very easily verify it with someone on the board that we all trust to look over the info and say yes its true, or no way to verify (most likely) or an obvious case of id theft. That too is likely.
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Stonehenge said: KO, your naivete is astounding
>What if China slaps a rare earth metals export "tax" on US companies that increases the price by 300%?
They would have done it already if they could. Everyone charges as much as the market will bear. You didn't know that did you? If china tries a cash grab, other counties pick up the business and china loses.
>What if Asia just decides, as a result of these trade agreements being broken, not to play with the US Dollar anymore as the global reserve currency?
"what if"?? They have been trying to replace the dollar for a while now. You really should keep up with things like that since you have a huge international company and all, lol. But the dollar remains king.
China has a global monopoly on rare earth metals and one of the primary reason so much high tech manufacturing is in China is because they have dramatically cut rare earth exports so companies MUST manufacture stuff like cell phones, wind turbines etc. in China. They have more control of rare earth's than OPEC does of oil, you fool. You can set up a factory to manufacture iPhones in texas if you want, but if you can't get the rare earths from China, you're screwed. Most people have no idea how important rare earths are to the global economy nor do they understand China controls 75% (at least) of the market.
China and Russia are trading now directly (no dollar involved) and China is steadily eliminating the dollar completely from their trade in Asia, which is overtaking the US in size and importance. Will Europe, the US and Gulf oil still transact in petro dollar? Of course and that's not going to change anytime soon.
Once again, you're in way over your head on a topic you don't understand. Better for you to stick with calling Obama silly names and accusing people of being socialist commies.
You're a lap dog of the uber wealth class that does pretty good when you parrot nonsensical slogans. I suggest you stick to that strategy.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22121400 - 08/21/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you think the US has no ability to control its own destiny, why do you even care who's elected?
The US can cancel all of its "trade" agreements and end up just fine, thinking otherwise is complete nonsense, only the globalists will try to convince people that Obama and the gang has no choice, its BS.
Can the US cancel all its global trade agreements? I guess. Then what? What if China slaps a rare earth metals export "tax" on US companies that increases the price by 300%?
It's not that the US can't do these extreme things because we can, but the consequences when you break agreements can be unexpected and severe. The global supply chain right now is very fragile. Just in time everything has reduced the need for costly inventories and driven profits while reducing costs but it increases a lot of risk as well.
What if Asia just decides, as a result of these trade agreements being broken, not to play with the US Dollar anymore as the global reserve currency?
All I'm saying is you gotta think these things through.
The US will be fine, it's China and others who will suffer.
Rare earth metals should be the least of concerns for the US citizens.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
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If ko really could back up his wild stories, he could very easily verify it with someone on the board that we all trust to look over the info and say yes its true, or no way to verify (most likely) or an obvious case of id theft. That too is likely.
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Stonehenge said: KO, your naivete is astounding
>What if China slaps a rare earth metals export "tax" on US companies that increases the price by 300%?
They would have done it already if they could. Everyone charges as much as the market will bear. You didn't know that did you? If china tries a cash grab, other counties pick up the business and china loses.
>What if Asia just decides, as a result of these trade agreements being broken, not to play with the US Dollar anymore as the global reserve currency?
"what if"?? They have been trying to replace the dollar for a while now. You really should keep up with things like that since you have a huge international company and all, lol. But the dollar remains king.
China has a global monopoly on rare earth metals and one of the primary reason so much high tech manufacturing is in China is because they have dramatically cut rare earth exports so companies MUST manufacture stuff like cell phones, wind turbines etc. in China. They have more control of rare earth's than OPEC does of oil, you fool. You can set up a factory to manufacture iPhones in texas if you want, but if you can't get the rare earths from China, you're screwed. Most people have no idea how important rare earths are to the global economy nor do they understand China controls 75% (at least) of the market.
China and Russia are trading now directly (no dollar involved) and China is steadily eliminating the dollar completely from their trade in Asia, which is overtaking the US in size and importance. Will Europe, the US and Gulf oil still transact in petro dollar? Of course and that's not going to change anytime soon.
Once again, you're in way over your head on a topic you don't understand. Better for you to stick with calling Obama silly names and accusing people of being socialist commies.
You're a lap dog of the uber wealth class that does pretty good when you parrot nonsensical slogans. I suggest you stick to that strategy.
"one of the primary reason why so much high tech manufacturing is done in China"
No, it's about the cheap labor. Why pay a US worker $15-20 per hour when you can pay a Chinese worker $1.50 per hour with no benefits or insurance?
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
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>China has a global monopoly on rare earth metals
Not true, see quote and link below. That is how you are supposed to debate, you give evidence and links, not just run your mouth which is your standard practice, you actually show facts
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R41347.pdf The United States was once self-reliant in domestically produced REEs, but over the past 15 years has become 100% reliant on imports, primarily from China, because of lower-cost operations.
As you see, its because china's prices are lower, otherwise we would just mine our own or buy from somewhere else. You failed once again.
>They have more control of rare earth's than OPEC does of oil, you fool. You can set up a factory to manufacture iPhones in texas if you want, but if you can't get the rare earths from China, you're screwed
Once again, not true, more of your bluster and false facts.
>Once again, you're in way over your head on a topic you don't understand.
Lol, this is from the guy who can't back up his statement about companies having to pay income taxes in states where they have no physical location, and now we see you are full of beans about rare earths.
And of course goes back to his standard childish insults since he has nothing else just exactly as I predicted. "fool" "lap dog" etc etc. Still no link to the law about paying income taxes in states? Hasn't your big corporate accountant called you back yet?
qman >Why pay a US worker $15-20 per hour when you can pay a Chinese worker $1.50 per hour with no benefits or insurance?
That is too technical and complicated for ko, its way over his head.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
#22121495 - 08/21/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
#22121503 - 08/21/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not true, see quote and link below. That is how you are supposed to debate, you give evidence and links, not just run your mouth which is your standard practice, you actually show facts
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R41347.pdf The United States was once self-reliant in domestically produced REEs, but over the past 15 years has become 100% reliant on imports, primarily from China, because of lower-cost operations.
As you see, its because china's prices are lower, otherwise we would just mine our own or buy from somewhere else. You failed once again.
>They have more control of rare earth's than OPEC does of oil, you fool. You can set up a factory to manufacture iPhones in texas if you want, but if you can't get the rare earths from China, you're screwed
Once again, not true, more of your bluster and false facts.
"China controls about 95% of global rare earths production, and holds half the world's reserves of these metals, according to U.S. think tank National Center for Policy Analysis. For years, China controlled the export of rare earths, and instituted export tariffs as a way to boost its own industry and prevent depletion of natural resources. In 2010, Beijing abruptly reduced its export quota, pushing prices sky high and creating supply disruptions around the globe." -- CNN
http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/05/investing/molycorp-china-rare-earth-minerals/
Sorry bud, once again you're in over your head. Rare Earth's are ground zero for China's long term manufacturing strategy of high tech electronics.
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22121531 - 08/21/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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about the rare earth metals, stones is right for once, in that we have plenty of domestic supply, but our mines are closed due to china flooding the market. once they mine all their shit, and mongolia's, the tables are gonna turn on rare earth metals.
stonehenge-ok, you read the first article i posted about walmart, now read the house report that i linked last
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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: about the rare earth metals, stones is right for once, in that we have plenty of domestic supply, but our mines are closed due to china flooding the market. once they mine all their shit, and mongolia's, the tables are gonna turn on rare earth metals.
China "floods" the market because they control 95% of the global production. US got all the easy stuff out of the ground in our country years ago. China approaches rare earths the way we approached oil 75 years ago. They are light years ahead of us on this commodity.
What they want is all manufacturing involving rare earths to HAVE to come to China and, of course labor costs are a big plus, but it goes well beyond that. China plays a long game and looks out a decade or two while we scramble for quarterly earnings.
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