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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22117394 - 08/20/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Here's a question.

Would you rather:

A) Hillary or Biden get the nomination and win the general

Or B) Bernie wins the nomination and gets smoked in the general

Because as much as I'd love for Sanders to get the spotlight he and his message deserve, getting steamrolled by the GOP could easily discourage any and all true liberal movement within the Democratic party.




The GOP will not win this election, I'm not worried about that at all. Bernie does better than Hillary against all Republicans so far in head to head bipartisan polls nationwide, and both Hillary and Bernie beat Republicans nationally. Of course, it's still early in the race, but it's looking like Trump may very well be the GOP candidate.

Trump can't win. He will not take any Dem votes. He polled 3rd in the General election mock poll. He is a candidate for a small portion of Republicans, but there are so many of them that the vote is split in enough ways that a candidate could actually be nominated on 15-20% of the vote.

The GOP will not take the white-house, and Bernie actually does alright even with conservatives, because he's an honest and genuine man.

You see, even the conservatives on here like him better than Hillary. He is beginning to dominate the independent states. It's nice that he at least got a huge head start on Biden, because he's been boosting name recognition to Biden's level, and spreading his message, which Biden hasn't done at all.

To be perfectly honest, if anyone but Bernie gets the dem nomination I probably won't be voting.




I envy your optimism, but you are right, it does seem like the stars are aligned for Bernie, at least for today.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22117561 - 08/20/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Sanders is a left wing loony, that's why the loonies love him. The general public might like him from a distance, the media picking and choosing what to tell them. But when the dirt machines start excavating, he begins to look like the radical socialist he is. Don't get me wrong, I'd take him over most of the gop field, and certainly over bitchlary or obumble. If we got stuck with biden it would be bad considering we have a historic opportunity to get away from the clutches of big money but biden is not as bad as many of the others.

Trump, I know you lefties hate him in a knee jerk action since he is gop. You don't want all the illegals thrown out because they provide support for the dems. You don't want welfare cut off and being forced to go out and work. He is rude and brusque, but so what? He tells the truth and what he is saying resonates with the public. An honest asshole is infinitely better than the lying swine we've been getting stuck with. Still happy with obumble?

Trump will tone down the bombast and pick up the nomination. Bernie, while he sounds like a decent sort, will be put on the defensive about his bad ideas. The media can focus on his good points all the want, and give him 10 undeserved percentage points that way but when the public sees what he is up to and gets more comfortable with trump, trump will triumph

Get used to saying president trump as in

"I wonder what president trump will do about ___"

or "I think he was right about ____ all along"




The majority of the country agrees with Bernie on almost everything. The political scene has been on a march to the right for decades, which unbeknownst to you, is actually why you hate Obama. It's the right-winger shit he's done that you hate, not the Liberal shit. In fact, he's hardly done any Liberal shit. I can't think of one thing off the top of my head tbh.

Why don't you have a look at this short clip. You are not going to find dirt on this guy:



As mayor, Sanders allowed citizens to call him in the middle of the night for any reason. He has for a long time done a 'Brunch with Bernie' video once a week on Youtube, in which he answers callers' questions. He's still taking time to do this while campaigning. This is a guy who gives a fuck.

He is the longest serving independent in US Congressional history. He wno more than 70% of the vote last election. He fought NAFTA and the TPP. He was against the war in Iraq. He believes "Saudi Arabia must fight for the soul of Islam" as he puts it, not America. He voted against the repeal of Glass Steagall. He's fought against the patriot act and NSA spying along with Rand Paul.

What is this dirt you speak of? If anyone's got skeletons that will surely be revealed, I promise you it's Donald Trump! lmao!! Not Sanders!

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Sanders is a left wing loony, that's why the loonies love him.




This is an ad hominem. What makes you think he's "loony"? Please elaborate.

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You don't want welfare cut off and being forced to go out and work.




No, I want walmart to pay employees enough so they don't need fucking food stamps while working full time. This is such a bullshit line, and you know it. If you really believe this garbage, then you have a lot of learning to do.

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You don't want all the illegals thrown out because they provide support for the dems.




We've been over this. Bernie doesn't support open boarders, and neither do I. This is a strawman.

We've been over all of this stuff about 10 million times. You just don't seem to get it. I don't know if you're just intentionally belligerantly ignorant, or if it's genuinely just not getting through. Maybe you just don't care about facts, so you disregard them whenever they arise.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22117595 - 08/20/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Sanders is a left wing loony, that's why the loonies love him. The general public might like him from a distance, the media picking and choosing what to tell them. But when the dirt machines start excavating, he begins to look like the radical socialist he is.




What parts of his platform do you think are radically socialist?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22117758 - 08/20/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22117806 - 08/20/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No, I want walmart to pay employees enough so they don't need fucking food stamps while working full time. This is such a bullshit line, and you know it. If you really believe this garbage, then you have a lot of learning to do.





They do make enough to not need food stamps.  If you think otherwise you have a lot of learning to do.  Walmart employees in the US are among the richest people on the planet and can afford to consume far more resources than most people ever could and also more resources than the earth can support per capita.  What you are advocating for here is akin to bailing out the rich.

They don't need food stamps.  They may be entitled to them under the current program, they don't "need" them.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: DieCommie]
    #22117865 - 08/20/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

oh christ, this living wage shit again.  Look, nobody here wants to be reduced to a third world standard of living so that the super-rich can sit in ivory towers and eat grapes


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: DieCommie]
    #22117897 - 08/20/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

BBW - In terms of Rand Paul, I agree with him on the following issues:

1. Dialing back the wattage on domestic surveillance
2. Less likely to get us into another new big ground war than other candidates
3. Is serious about balancing the budget
4. Will definitely do more to end the war on drugs than other candidates
5. Is less in bed with Israel than others
6. Will cut off foreign aid to countries that are not our strong allies
7. Will bring more transparency to monetary policy and the FED
8. Displays more conviction for his beliefs than many other candidates

And there are things, especially some of the Christian social issues, that I disagree with him on and I wish he had a more ambitious plan to rebuild our schools, roads, infrastructure, etc.

And Bernie Sanders has a lot in common with Rand Paul on a number of these issues too.  He has conviction for his ideals as well.  I think Sanders might have the guts to attempt a real rebuilding of America's infrastructure and some better ways to shrink the wealth gap that is crippling this country.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: DieCommie]
    #22117907 - 08/20/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No, I want walmart to pay employees enough so they don't need fucking food stamps while working full time. This is such a bullshit line, and you know it. If you really believe this garbage, then you have a lot of learning to do.





They do make enough to not need food stamps.  If you think otherwise you have a lot of learning to do.  Walmart employees in the US are among the richest people on the planet and can afford to consume far more resources than most people ever could and also more resources than the earth can support per capita.  What you are advocating for here is akin to bailing out the rich.

They don't need food stamps.  They may be entitled to them under the current program, they don't "need" them.




You're really just gonna sneak in the median global wage and act like it applies in any way to qualifications for SNAP assistance in the United States?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22118066 - 08/20/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>The majority of the country agrees with Bernie on almost everything.

On what specifically? More welfare?

>The political scene has been on a march to the right for decades, which unbeknownst to you, is actually why you hate Obama. It's the right-winger shit he's done that you hate, not the Liberal shit.

While you do have half a point, you are mostly wrong. I do hate the wars he started and kept going but there is the deeply flawed aca, his open door policy toward illegals and amnesty after they get in, a few other things too.

>In fact, he's hardly done any Liberal shit. I can't think of one thing off the top of my head tbh

I just named a few. He might be a nice person, I'm not against him although if I knew his position on more things that might change, for the better or worse.

My opinion on trump was kind of negative before he started running and I thought he was a joke just like everyone else said. But as I heard more from him, I liked what I heard. Take a chump like jeb for example, he is against most of the things I want and for many of the things I'm against. The more I heard about him the less I liked him.

A trump - sanders matchup would be great. I'd be pulling for my guy but not be furious if your guy won. Unlike most elections in which its bad vs worse or equally bad. We can hope anyway, before the big money people pull enough strings to make it hitlery vs jeb.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22118312 - 08/20/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
Sanders is a left wing loony, that's why the loonies love him. The general public might like him from a distance, the media picking and choosing what to tell them. But when the dirt machines start excavating, he begins to look like the radical socialist he is. Don't get me wrong, I'd take him over most of the gop field, and certainly over bitchlary or obumble. If we got stuck with biden it would be bad considering we have a historic opportunity to get away from the clutches of big money but biden is not as bad as many of the others.

Trump, I know you lefties hate him in a knee jerk action since he is gop. You don't want all the illegals thrown out because they provide support for the dems. You don't want welfare cut off and being forced to go out and work. He is rude and brusque, but so what? He tells the truth and what he is saying resonates with the public. An honest asshole is infinitely better than the lying swine we've been getting stuck with. Still happy with obumble?

Trump will tone down the bombast and pick up the nomination. Bernie, while he sounds like a decent sort, will be put on the defensive about his bad ideas. The media can focus on his good points all the want, and give him 10 undeserved percentage points that way but when the public sees what he is up to and gets more comfortable with trump, trump will triumph

Get used to saying president trump as in

"I wonder what president trump will do about ___"

or "I think he was right about ____ all along"




The majority of the country agrees with Bernie on almost everything. The political scene has been on a march to the right for decades, which unbeknownst to you, is actually why you hate Obama. It's the right-winger shit he's done that you hate, not the Liberal shit. In fact, he's hardly done any Liberal shit. I can't think of one thing off the top of my head tbh.

Why don't you have a look at this short clip. You are not going to find dirt on this guy:



As mayor, Sanders allowed citizens to call him in the middle of the night for any reason. He has for a long time done a 'Brunch with Bernie' video once a week on Youtube, in which he answers callers' questions. He's still taking time to do this while campaigning. This is a guy who gives a fuck.

He is the longest serving independent in US Congressional history. He wno more than 70% of the vote last election. He fought NAFTA and the TPP. He was against the war in Iraq. He believes "Saudi Arabia must fight for the soul of Islam" as he puts it, not America. He voted against the repeal of Glass Steagall. He's fought against the patriot act and NSA spying along with Rand Paul.

What is this dirt you speak of? If anyone's got skeletons that will surely be revealed, I promise you it's Donald Trump! lmao!! Not Sanders!

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Sanders is a left wing loony, that's why the loonies love him.




This is an ad hominem. What makes you think he's "loony"? Please elaborate.

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You don't want welfare cut off and being forced to go out and work.




No, I want walmart to pay employees enough so they don't need fucking food stamps while working full time. This is such a bullshit line, and you know it. If you really believe this garbage, then you have a lot of learning to do.

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You don't want all the illegals thrown out because they provide support for the dems.




We've been over this. Bernie doesn't support open boarders, and neither do I. This is a strawman.

We've been over all of this stuff about 10 million times. You just don't seem to get it. I don't know if you're just intentionally belligerantly ignorant, or if it's genuinely just not getting through. Maybe you just don't care about facts, so you disregard them whenever they arise.




BBW - This guy loves to use terms like "loony left" straight off of O'Reilly's show and probably has no idea what socialism really is.  He's just a troll that refuses to listen to or respect your opinion.  Clearly a politically brainwashed obedient puppy that parrots the message of the uber wealthy that are attempting to abolish the middle class.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22118342 - 08/20/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, I see the faker is back to his usual attacks. What wild thing will you claim today? No response to my suggestion to send lds some money to hire the lawyer you want him to get. Its easy to run your mouth isn't it?

>No, I want walmart to pay employees enough so they don't need fucking food stamps while working full time.

You got any evidence of that? Or making wild claims as usual? Show evidence that most wm workers are on food stamps? It sounds like something you heard, believed and repeated because you were told wm is bad.

What are sanders positions on the issues? Rather than argue with this lying troll, I'd like to see some facts.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22118351 - 08/20/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dude, if you're gonna troll at least be funny about it.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22118412 - 08/20/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Walmart is at the absolute front lines of the globalist movement to destroy the American middle class on three key fronts:

1. They bring more cheap labor Chinese crap to American than any other company accelerating the exporting of manufacturing to cheap labor pool countries
2. They put thousands and thousands of local businesses out of business with far less concern about community impact than quarterly payouts to shareholders.
3. For years, they have paid thousands and thousands of their workers so little, even though giving billions and billions to shareholders and essentially giving the government the responsibility of providing benefits to their impoverished workers saddling the taxpayer with the bill while they squirrel away billions. 

Defending Walmart is so ridiculously un American its laughable.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22118431 - 08/20/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh, I see the faker is back to his usual attacks. What wild thing will you claim today? No response to my suggestion to send lds some money to hire the lawyer you want him to get. Its easy to run your mouth isn't it?

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Neither you or your bud showed any guts.  Both of you backed down.  I'll pay the attorney directly, no need to send money to either one of you bogus posers.  I gave you a risk free way to back  up your tough talk and you cowered.  I'll put my money up tomorrow.  Quick call to the attorney and we're up and running. 

You're just a puppy on a leash of the uber wealth pushing their ideas and plan to destroy Ameica's middle class.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22118754 - 08/20/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

GOP Nonsense slogans include:

- Increasing the minimum wage kills job and slows the economy
- Lower the taxes on the wealthiest and they will create more jobs (LMAO!!!)
- CEO's deserve to make 300 times more than other employees because they are so hard to find (LMFAO)
- People are paid in accordance with how hard the job is (total horseshit as the hardest jobs often pay the least)
- Capitalism is the fairest way to determine fair prices and wages
- Regulations that protect the air, soil, water, workers and consumer safety are "job killers"
- The US has Free Markets and when we regulate them, we screw them up
- The wealthy make more because they work harder
- When we regulate the banks we kill the economy and job creators
- The wealthy should be able to give unlimited amount of money to the political system to gain even more advantages over the poor because that's "free speech"


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22118874 - 08/20/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You got any evidence of that? Or making wild claims as usual? Show evidence that most wm workers are on food stamps? It sounds like something you heard, believed and repeated because you were told wm is bad.





http://www.theguardian.com/money/us-money-blog/2014/nov/21/walmart-workers-rely-on-food-banks-report

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Jackson is not alone. Various Walmarts have turned to community food drives to help their workers. Last year, an Ohio Walmart put out food bins to collect canned food for its workers. According to employee advocate organization OUR Walmart, a Walmart in Indiana is sponsoring a bake sale to raise money for its struggling workers. In Pennsylvania, one store has put out a giving tree for Christmas, asking workers who are better off to donate to their colleagues who are in need.

The irony is that the retail giant prides itself on its efforts to battle hunger. In her letter to Walton, Jackson notes that it is likely that the heiress and her family, which is worth about $145bn, previously donated to the same food bank that she frequents.

“In 2013, we donated more than 571 million pounds of food – the equivalent of 369 million meals – to local food banks and hunger relief organizations like Feeding America and its 200 food banks across the nation,” reads Walmart’s website. “We know we can make an impact nationwide by inspiring associates to fight hunger in their local communities. In fact, 4,100 associates volunteered more than 13,000 hours toward hunger relief efforts in 2013.”

The associates who rely on the local food banks for their meals are not impressed. Walmart cashiers earn, on average, $8.48 an hour, which is more than the federal minimum wage of $7.25 but less than the $15 an hour that workers say they need to stay above the poverty line.


“We don’t want your food bins or your bake sales. We work hard and we are not looking for charity. What we want is for you to pay us fair wage ... so that we can pay for our own groceries,” said Cantare Davunt, who works part time at Walmart in Apple Valley, Minnesota, earning $10.10 an hour. She walks 20 minutes to work to save money on transportation and lives on ramen.




http://www.msnbc.com/all-1
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Organized labor, protesting workers and other activist groups have been saying for years that low-wage Walmart employees can’t afford to meet basic needs like food. Now, one Cleveland, Ohio, location is doing something about it: soliciting food donations from other workers.

In an employees-only section of the store, management has placed two bins underneath a sign reading, “Please donate food items here so Associates in Need can enjoy Thanksgiving Dinner,” local paper The Plain Dealer reported on Monday. Walmart spokesperson Kory Lundberg told the newspaper that it is for employees “who have had some hardships come up.”

“This is part of the company’s culture to rally around associates and take care of them when they face extreme hardships,” said Lundberg.

The majority of Walmart employees reportedly make less than $25,000 annually, and many of them rely on food stamps. A case study compiled by the Democratic staff of the House Committee on Education and the Workforce found that employees in one Walmart location received between $96,007 and $219,528 in food stamps over the course of a single year.




here's one more link. its the document cited in the last paragraph above.
http://democrats.edworkforce.house.gov/sites/democrats.edworkforce.house.gov/files/documents/WalMartReport-May2013.pdf


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22118892 - 08/20/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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They do make enough to not need food stamps.  If you think otherwise you have a lot of learning to do.  Walmart employees in the US are among the richest people on the planet and can afford to consume far more resources than most people ever could and also more resources than the earth can support per capita.  What you are advocating for here is akin to bailing out the rich.

They don't need food stamps.  They may be entitled to them under the current program, they don't "need" them.




Oh right, I forgot you right-wingers are still running your race to the bottom. You're right, we should be comparing America to Africa. My apologies. You crack me up dude.

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>The majority of the country agrees with Bernie on almost everything.

On what specifically? More welfare?
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I've already explained how Bernie is campaigning on far more than 'more welfare'. However, yes that is part of it. The healthcare plan we got was a right-wing style healthcare plan. The healthcare plan we need is, like the rest of the fucking world, a single-payer system, which Bernie advocates. Our college education system is fucked, Bernie wants to invest in education. Our infrastructure is fucked. Bernie wants to repair it, and simultaneously create millions of good jobs for Americans, instead of shipping that money over seas, and paying the UK to build 40 million dollar buildings in afghanistan that we never use, only to demolish them. That would be the right-winger approach ;-). Wasting money, that is right-wing policy.




>The political scene has been on a march to the right for decades, which unbeknownst to you, is actually why you hate Obama. It's the right-winger shit he's done that you hate, not the Liberal shit.

While you do have half a point, you are mostly wrong. I do hate the wars he started and kept going but there is the deeply flawed aca, his open door policy toward illegals and amnesty after they get in, a few other things too.

>In fact, he's hardly done any Liberal shit. I can't think of one thing off the top of my head tbh

I just named a few. He might be a nice person, I'm not against him although if I knew his position on more things that might change, for the better or worse.
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By 'his' open door policy, you're referring to the same policy of every president before him, or has he done something different? I hate him for continuing the Patriot Act, NSA spying, Trickle down economics, too big to fail, and not breaking up the banks, etc. All right-wing shit. Also, the ACA is a right-wing program. Don't pretend like that is a liberal approach, because it isn't in the slightest.




My opinion on trump was kind of negative before he started running and I thought he was a joke just like everyone else said. But as I heard more from him, I liked what I heard. Take a chump like jeb for example, he is against most of the things I want and for many of the things I'm against. The more I heard about him the less I liked him.

A trump - sanders matchup would be great. I'd be pulling for my guy but not be furious if your guy won. Unlike most elections in which its bad vs worse or equally bad. We can hope anyway, before the big money people pull enough strings to make it hitlery vs jeb.




My problem is that Trump is 'the big money people'. He's exactly what we don't need in government. They're already running the show from the sidelines, and you want to make one of them POTUS. At the end of the day, Trump is a full-fledged member of the billionaire club, and that's about as corrupt as you can get.

I don't think Hillary or Jeb are going to make it to the nomination, but Trump seems to still be considering running 3rd party, so Jeb won't be winning anyway. If Trump doesn't get nominated, the Republican party is fucked (If he runs 3rd party), and if he does, they're likely fucked also. I would put $100 on Trump not winning the presidency in a heartbeat. It won't happen.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22118951 - 08/20/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Walmart is at the absolute front lines of the globalist movement to destroy the American middle class on three key fronts:

1. They bring more cheap labor Chinese crap to American than any other company accelerating the exporting of manufacturing to cheap labor pool countries
2. They put thousands and thousands of local businesses out of business with far less concern about community impact than quarterly payouts to shareholders.
3. For years, they have paid thousands and thousands of their workers so little, even though giving billions and billions to shareholders and essentially giving the government the responsibility of providing benefits to their impoverished workers saddling the taxpayer with the bill while they squirrel away billions. 

Defending Walmart is so ridiculously un American its laughable.




Well said. I'd throw in 'their products are all fucking garbage'.


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22119037 - 08/20/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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What are sanders positions on the issues? Rather than argue with this lying troll, I'd like to see some facts.




All Sanders ever talks about is issues. Go to his webite.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

That only covers economic issues. You can find all sorts of videos on youtube. He's a real down to earth guy. Like I said, when he was mayor he literally took phone calls from citizens at home any time day or night to resolve their issues. He won his last election with more than 70%, and to this day he does 'brunch with Bernie' virtually every weekend, where he takes people's phonecalls and answers questions they have for him!

Can you see Hillary, Jeb, or even Trump doing that?


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Re: Bernie draws 28,000 in LA and the same in Portland! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22119146 - 08/20/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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They do make enough to not need food stamps.  If you think otherwise you have a lot of learning to do.  Walmart employees in the US are among the richest people on the planet and can afford to consume far more resources than most people ever could and also more resources than the earth can support per capita.  What you are advocating for here is akin to bailing out the rich.

They don't need food stamps.  They may be entitled to them under the current program, they don't "need" them.




Oh right, I forgot you right-wingers are still running your race to the bottom. You're right, we should be comparing America to Africa. My apologies. You crack me up dude.

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>The majority of the country agrees with Bernie on almost everything.

On what specifically? More welfare?
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I've already explained how Bernie is campaigning on far more than 'more welfare'. However, yes that is part of it. The healthcare plan we got was a right-wing style healthcare plan. The healthcare plan we need is, like the rest of the fucking world, a single-payer system, which Bernie advocates. Our college education system is fucked, Bernie wants to invest in education. Our infrastructure is fucked. Bernie wants to repair it, and simultaneously create millions of good jobs for Americans, instead of shipping that money over seas, and paying the UK to build 40 million dollar buildings in afghanistan that we never use, only to demolish them. That would be the right-winger approach ;-). Wasting money, that is right-wing policy.




>The political scene has been on a march to the right for decades, which unbeknownst to you, is actually why you hate Obama. It's the right-winger shit he's done that you hate, not the Liberal shit.

While you do have half a point, you are mostly wrong. I do hate the wars he started and kept going but there is the deeply flawed aca, his open door policy toward illegals and amnesty after they get in, a few other things too.

>In fact, he's hardly done any Liberal shit. I can't think of one thing off the top of my head tbh

I just named a few. He might be a nice person, I'm not against him although if I knew his position on more things that might change, for the better or worse.
Quote:



By 'his' open door policy, you're referring to the same policy of every president before him, or has he done something different? I hate him for continuing the Patriot Act, NSA spying, Trickle down economics, too big to fail, and not breaking up the banks, etc. All right-wing shit. Also, the ACA is a right-wing program. Don't pretend like that is a liberal approach, because it isn't in the slightest.




My opinion on trump was kind of negative before he started running and I thought he was a joke just like everyone else said. But as I heard more from him, I liked what I heard. Take a chump like jeb for example, he is against most of the things I want and for many of the things I'm against. The more I heard about him the less I liked him.

A trump - sanders matchup would be great. I'd be pulling for my guy but not be furious if your guy won. Unlike most elections in which its bad vs worse or equally bad. We can hope anyway, before the big money people pull enough strings to make it hitlery vs jeb.




My problem is that Trump is 'the big money people'. He's exactly what we don't need in government. They're already running the show from the sidelines, and you want to make one of them POTUS. At the end of the day, Trump is a full-fledged member of the billionaire club, and that's about as corrupt as you can get.

I don't think Hillary or Jeb are going to make it to the nomination, but Trump seems to still be considering running 3rd party, so Jeb won't be winning anyway. If Trump doesn't get nominated, the Republican party is fucked (If he runs 3rd party), and if he does, they're likely fucked also. I would put $100 on Trump not winning the presidency in a heartbeat. It won't happen.




"Trump is a full fledged member of the billionaire club"

So that disqualifies all of his good proposals that the other candidates fail to address?  Everyone knows he's a billionaire and that's actually his strong point, he doesn't need corporate interests to run his campaign, he can talk about whatever the fuck he wants and people like it.


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