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Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens
    #22080992 - 08/12/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Has this gotten out of hand or what? Under obumble's policies illegal aliens can not only vote but can get drivers licenses to help them register for welfare. California, home of the most extreme left wing loonies, is giving more licenses to illegals than to us citizens. Other states are following.

http://www.allgov.com/news/unusual-news/majority-of-new-drivers-licenses-issued-in-california-this-year-are-to-undocumented-immigrants-150812?news=857180

Majority of New Driver’s Licenses Issued in California This Year are to Undocumented Immigrants

Undocumented immigrants have not hesitated to take advantage of a new law in California that allows them to get drivers licenses despite their legal status.

Undocumented immigrants have received the majority of new drivers licenses issued in the state in 2015, thanks to AB 60, which went into effect this year. That law allows anyone with proof of residency and passing grades on driving and written tests to obtain a license, regardless of their immigration status.

“We’re really just going to some level of common sense,” Angelica Salas, the executive director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, told The New York Times. “We’ve done in-state tuition and professional licenses for more than a million people. Lives have changed significantly, and the sky has not fallen.”

The California Department of Motor Vehicles reported that as of June 30, the agency had issued 397,000 licenses to undocumented applicants out of a total of 759,000 people this year. By the end of July, the numbers were 443,000 licenses to undocumented immigrants out of a total of 883,000 licenses issued in 2015.

The DMV expects to issue 1.5 million licenses to undocumented immigrants within three years.

California is home to more undocumented immigrants than any other state, with approximately 3 million of them. But it is not the only state to approve a law allowing these immigrants to get drivers licenses. A dozen others, including Connecticut, Maryland and Colorado, have done so as well.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22081060 - 08/12/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Why should it matter if someone is here legally for purposes of getting a license?


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #22081101 - 08/12/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Why should it matter if someone is here legally for purposes of getting a license?




:facepalm: Cuz they don't belong here in the first place. Why reward illegal behavior?


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081109 - 08/12/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Because having a drivers license is a privilege. A privilege only legal citizens should have. Just my opinion


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: MightyWhite]
    #22081130 - 08/12/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So, people who are here on work visas or student visas shouldn't be able to drive?


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081154 - 08/12/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Being here on a work or student visa are the exceptions.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: MightyWhite]
    #22081169 - 08/12/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

my kneejerk reaction is to say "Fuck those illegal aliens!"
but when i think about it, i would much rather be rear-ended by a licensed, insured, illegal alien than be hit-and-run rear ended by an unlicensed uninsured illegal alien


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22081215 - 08/12/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

*undocumented immigrant

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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: qman]
    #22081244 - 08/12/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Why should it matter if someone is here legally for purposes of getting a license?




:facepalm: Cuz they don't belong here in the first place. Why reward illegal behavior?




Of course, why make it more tempting for illegals by giving welfare, food stamps, drivers licenses, etc? A license makes it look like they are documented to fool employers. Soon as the hnic is kicked to the curb we may see some improvements.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: MightyWhite]
    #22081256 - 08/12/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So, just to get this straight...you think that somehow issuing drivers licenses are a benefit to an undocumented immigrant?  I only ask because it seems to me that the purpose of drivers licenses isn't to benefit the ones getting them but to benefit the state in terms of making these people more readily accountable for violations and accidents.

You don't see that as a desirable outcome for undocumented immigrants?  Why would you not want the state to be able to have some way of holding people accountable?  Without a license, a person gives a fake name and drives off...or just drives off...or gets arrested and deported, leaving the other guy holding the bag.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081271 - 08/12/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081282 - 08/12/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Of course a license is a benefit for the one getting it. How blinkered do you have to be to not see that? Its a form of id for getting booze, getting a job, getting a lot of benefits and things. It allows one to drive.

>Without a license, a person gives a fake name and drives off...or just drives off

We have people called cops and they don't let you just drive off. Is there any handout you are against, any at all?


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #22081292 - 08/12/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Of course a license is a benefit for the one getting it. It allows one to drive. 
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We have people called cops and they don't let you just drive off. :bathtub40lol:




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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22081333 - 08/12/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Silly me...I forgot that people don't drive without licenses and if they do, the cops always catch them...


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081347 - 08/12/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well it kinda is a benefit to have a valid license. You won't get your car impounded if you get pulled over, you will also be able to probably avoid a ticket for driving if you have a valid license. In my state the police can and most of the time do impound your vehicle if you don't have a license. Also they can and most of the time do take people to jail for driving without a license in my state (Michigan ). So being able to avoid that is a benefit, at least to me it is.

Back on my thought about what ballsalsa was saying, I don't know how insurance works in other states, but in Michigan is a no fault state, so if someone runs into me (undocumented immigrant or legal citizen, license or no license  ) I'm kind of fucked either way. Maybe in a different state it would be beneficial for a victim of an accident caused by an undocumented immigrant for the undocumented immigrant to at least have a license and insurance, that's why I guess I understand where he is coming from is all.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081378 - 08/12/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the US should grant citizenship to all Mexicans.  Then there will be justification to annex Mexico for the sake of protecting US citizens. Everybody Wins.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081400 - 08/12/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So, just to get this straight...you think that somehow issuing drivers licenses are a benefit to an undocumented immigrant?  I only ask because it seems to me that the purpose of drivers licenses isn't to benefit the ones getting them but to benefit the state in terms of making these people more readily accountable for violations and accidents.

You don't see that as a desirable outcome for undocumented immigrants?  Why would you not want the state to be able to have some way of holding people accountable?  Without a license, a person gives a fake name and drives off...or just drives off...or gets arrested and deported, leaving the other guy holding the bag.




"gets arrested and deported"

Wouldn't that disincentive an illegal from driving or even potentially entering the US in the first place?

Instead of rewarding this bullshit, you discourage it.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22081409 - 08/12/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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the US should grant citizenship to all Mexicans.  Then there will be justification to annex Mexico for the sake of protecting US citizens. Everybody Wins.




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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22081413 - 08/12/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There's a California bill moving along that would automatically register licensed drivers to vote. AP 1461

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/04/28/bill-to-register-all-california-drivers-to-vote-advances/

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Padilla is supporting a bill, AB 1461, authored by Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez (D-San Diego), that would, as in Oregon, require that every person with a driver’s license in California be automatically registered to vote.

AB 1461 says that a licensed driver would have to affirmatively opt out of being registered in order not to be enrolled automatically.




A similar bill has already passed in Oregon.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/oregon-is-first-state-to-adopt-automatic-voter-registration/

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Under the legislation, every adult citizen in Oregon who has interacted with the Driver and Motor Vehicle Services Division since 2013 but hasn’t registered to vote will receive a ballot in the mail at least 20 days before the next statewide election. The measure is expected to add about 300,000 new voters to the rolls.




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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081423 - 08/12/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Without a license, a person gives a fake license, fake name and drives off...or just drives off...or gets arrested and deported, leaving the other guy holding the bag.




No-one here illegally should get any societal benefits.

Do they not have uninsured motorist coverage in Cali?


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22081428 - 08/12/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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There's a California bill moving along that would automatically register licensed drivers to vote. AP 1461

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/04/28/bill-to-register-all-california-drivers-to-vote-advances/

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Padilla is supporting a bill, AB 1461, authored by Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez (D-San Diego), that would, as in Oregon, require that every person with a driver’s license in California be automatically registered to vote.

AB 1461 says that a licensed driver would have to affirmatively opt out of being registered in order not to be enrolled automatically.




A similar bill has already passed in Oregon.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/oregon-is-first-state-to-adopt-automatic-voter-registration/

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Gov. Kate Brown signed a bill that puts the burden of registration on the state instead of voters.

Under the legislation, every adult citizen in Oregon who has interacted with the Driver and Motor Vehicle Services Division since 2013 but hasn’t registered to vote will receive a ballot in the mail at least 20 days before the next statewide election. The measure is expected to add about 300,000 new voters to the rolls.







Ding-ding-ding.

We have a winner in the why do people want to give licenses to illegals contest.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22081434 - 08/12/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yes we do, and the coverage cap for uninsured motorist is much lower than the cap for minimum liability coverage


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22081436 - 08/12/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think there should even be such a thing as being "here illegally."  Immigrants, legal and illegal enrich this nation culturally and financially.  I see no reason to even worry about such things.


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    #22081476 - 08/12/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think there should even be such a thing as being "here illegally."  Immigrants, legal and illegal enrich this nation culturally and financially.  I see no reason to even worry about such things.




"enrich this nation culturally"

Like refusing to speak English.

"and financially"

http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-california-taxpayers

"The annual expenditure of state and local tax dollars on services for that population (illegals in California) is $25.3 billion...tax revenue collected, $3.5 billion"

Yeah, that's just fucking great, using 7 times more in taxes than they contribute, that's so enriching.  :facepalm:


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22081478 - 08/12/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

7 million new voters in California. I wonder what party the majority of theses noobs will be voting...



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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22081488 - 08/12/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: ballsalsa]
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I am not a research by request machine here. I said nothing about voter fraud in my posts.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22081528 - 08/12/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

isn't that the concern with having ballots mailed to illegals? that they will use them to vote?  that is voter fraud. if it is something to worry about, there should be some notable examples. that is all.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22081563 - 08/12/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you read the OP and along with what I have posted, it would appear that there may be illegals voting in the near future. This is not a done deal with the voting until 1461 gets passed. If the OP was concerning Oregon drivers licenses, then we would have something.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22081666 - 08/12/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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my kneejerk reaction is to say "Fuck those illegal aliens!"
but when i think about it, i would much rather be rear-ended by a licensed, insured, illegal alien than be hit-and-run rear ended by an unlicensed uninsured illegal alien



Sounds to me like an incidental benefit.

p.s. how about we round up ALL illegal aliens and ship them back to Mexico?  That way, you will NEVER have to worry about being rear-ended by illegal aliens, whether they have a license or not.


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my kneejerk reaction is to say "Fuck those illegal aliens!"
but when i think about it, i would much rather be rear-ended by a licensed, insured, illegal alien than be hit-and-run rear ended by an unlicensed uninsured illegal alien



Sounds to me like an incidental benefit.

p.s. how about we round up ALL illegal aliens and ship them back to Mexico?  That way, you will NEVER have to worry about being rear-ended by illegal aliens, whether they have a license or not.




no. i already advocated for granting all mexicans US citizenship so we can go into Mexico and liberate all the americans being held hostage by their corrupt gov't and bloodthirsty cartels


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22081739 - 08/12/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Think about it, Mexico has oppressed citizens, they have oil reserves, hell, it even has tons of desert.  Our troops coming home from oversees will feel right at home there, and unlike iraq or afghanistan, the locals might actually welcome us as liberators.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22081757 - 08/12/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm all for letting anyone/everyone come to work, live, whatever.  As far as citizenship, I'd make it easier, but it would still require a test.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081812 - 08/12/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm all for letting anyone/everyone come to work, live, whatever.  As far as citizenship, I'd make it easier, but it would still require a test.




Sure, let's bring in a good 200 million poor immigrants from all over the globe.  The more the merrier.  :cookiemonster:


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    #22081824 - 08/12/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I fully agree.  It might just make us competitive once again in manufacturing.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: qman]
    #22081838 - 08/12/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

think of all the construction jobs rebuilding mexico to American codes.  All the anti-immigration people would be happy because the border would become tiny in comparison to now(easy to fence off and patrol).  It would simplify things for manufacturers by reducing their labeling costs(only have to produce 1 set of packaging instead of one for the US and one for Mexico)


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    #22081853 - 08/12/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I fully agree.  It might just make us competitive once again in manufacturing.




How could 200 million poor immigrants "make US competitive once again in manufacturing"?  The way I see it, these people would only cost us money to feed, house, and clothe them.  They would probably take more benefits and services than what they contribute in taxes (IF they do in fact pay taxes).

These poor immigrants are poor in their original countries for a reason.  They tend to be less educated (and are possibly wholly un-educable), and they possess no marketable skills.  Not to mention over time, these people will very possibly inter-breed with the local Americans, thus changing the genetic make-up of USA on a long-term basis.  For the worse, I might add.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22081856 - 08/12/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This has nothing to do with Obama. California passed a law that allows this. The Obama administration had absolutely nothing to do with it. It was pure California.

Second, do you think it's better to have a bunch of unlicensed drivers on the road? Because that sounds stupid as fuck to me.

If you don't like it then just don't come to California :shrug:


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    #22081862 - 08/12/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I fully agree.  It might just make us competitive once again in manufacturing.




How could 200 million poor immigrants "make US competitive once again in manufacturing"?  The way I see it, these people would only cost us money to feed, house, and clothe them.  They would probably take more benefits and services than what they contribute in taxes (IF they do in fact pay taxes).

These poor immigrants are poor in their original countries for a reason.  They tend to be less educated (and are possibly wholly un-educable), and they possess no marketable skills.  Not to mention over time, these people will very possibly inter-breed with the local Americans, thus changing the genetic make-up of USA on a long-term basis.  For the worse, I might add.




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    #22081864 - 08/12/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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think of all the construction jobs rebuilding mexico to American codes.  All the anti-immigration people would be happy because the border would become tiny in comparison to now(easy to fence off and patrol).  It would simplify things for manufacturers by reducing their labeling costs(only have to produce 1 set of packaging instead of one for the US and one for Mexico)




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    #22081866 - 08/12/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i'm not. i'm dead serious.


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    #22081874 - 08/12/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i'm not. i'm dead serious.




That's very sad then.  Lay off the drugs for a while and try to obtain some clarity.  :thumbup:


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: WAN]
    #22081887 - 08/12/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

With the influx of people, there would be a lot of cheap labor available.  Sounds like a great thing for the economy.


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    #22081898 - 08/12/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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With the influx of people, there would be a lot of cheap labor available.  Sounds like a great thing for the economy.



It's good for capitalists and people who own means of production.  For the rest of us, the wage-earners, this depresses our wage and makes it much harder for us to find jobs.


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    #22081911 - 08/12/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22081957 - 08/12/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

All of that only serves to make things cheaper, so standard of living goes up.  Everyone wins.


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    #22081965 - 08/12/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22082010 - 08/12/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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All of that only serves to make things cheaper, so standard of living goes up.  Everyone wins.




What is the use of having cheaper things when everybody is poor?  There are only finite amounts of resources and money circulating in a country at any given time, if you add too many workers then the result is that nobody gets to enjoy a livable wage.  The ultra-rich will certainly profit from the labor pool suddenly becoming much larger, and gain more wealth.  But rest of the country, the middle class and the working class get fucked.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: WAN]
    #22082016 - 08/12/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

America has long enjoyed an obscenely high standard of living.  Maybe it's time to share the wealth a bit and join the rest of the world.


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    #22082026 - 08/12/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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America has long enjoyed an obscenely high standard of living.  Maybe it's time to share the wealth a bit and join the rest of the world.




whoa whoa whoa. not the whole world. just mexico.  Everybody(in mexico and america)Wins


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    #22082027 - 08/12/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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America has long enjoyed an obscenely high standard of living.  Maybe it's time to share the wealth a bit and join the rest of the world.



So you think the USA is "evil" for being so rich and successful, so you wish for her and her people to become poorer.  You are truly an evil individual, Enlil.


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    #22082047 - 08/12/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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All of that only serves to make things cheaper, so standard of living goes up.  Everyone wins.




"serves to make things cheaper"

Along with wages, how's the purchasing power for the large majority of people in China and India?

"standard of living goes up"

For the top 5% of the population.

"Everyone wins"

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    #22082055 - 08/12/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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America has long enjoyed an obscenely high standard of living.  Maybe it's time to share the wealth a bit and join the rest of the world.




You start first, send your money to all the third world people you want. How much is the first check going to be?


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: qman]
    #22082126 - 08/12/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So you think the USA is "evil" for being so rich and successful, so you wish for her and her people to become poorer.  You are truly an evil individual, Enlil.



I don't believe in "evil".  The current American standard of living is unsustainable on a global scale.  Unless we have a mass-depopulation event, something's eventually gonna give.

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You start first, send your money to all the third world people you want. How much is the first check going to be?



I don't remember how much the first check was, but I funded the install of over 100 toilets last year, and I'll probably do triple that this year.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22082141 - 08/12/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You start first, send your money to all the third world people you want. How much is the first check going to be?



I don't remember how much the first check was, but I funded the install of over 100 toilets last year, and I'll probably do triple that this year.




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    #22082147 - 08/12/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So you think the USA is "evil" for being so rich and successful, so you wish for her and her people to become poorer.  You are truly an evil individual, Enlil.



I don't believe in "evil".  The current American standard of living is unsustainable on a global scale.  Unless we have a mass-depopulation event, something's eventually gonna give.




We can have things stay the way they are and have always been:  namely, the  people of US continue to enjoy their current standard of living, and let the third-world countries stay the way they are.  There, problem solved.

The people of US shouldn't feel bad about being a first-world nation with the kinds of  lifestyles to match it.  It is also not their duty to see to it that  people from around the world live better lives.


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    #22082151 - 08/12/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You start first, send your money to all the third world people you want. How much is the first check going to be?



I don't remember how much the first check was, but I funded the install of over 100 toilets last year, and I'll probably do triple that this year.




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I don't get it.  What did he say?


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: WAN]
    #22082156 - 08/12/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>WAN said:

>So you think the USA is "evil" for being so rich and successful, so you wish for her and her people to become poorer.  You are truly an evil individual, Enlil.

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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: WAN]
    #22082163 - 08/12/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Q tried to make out like Enlil talks a big game, but doesn't actually help third worlders.

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    #22082184 - 08/12/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Q tried to make out like Enlil talks a big game, but doesn't actually help third worlders.

Enlil responded by pointing out that he already has done charity work and plans to expand on it in the future. hence: SICK BURN!




Oh I see. 

Well, I think it's all well and good that enlil is doing something to help the third world nations, but he shouldn't expect the same from the rest of Americans.  He certainly shouldn't advocate for policies that divert US money and resources into helping those nations, for the very simple reason that nations exist to serve their people.  The people of any nation should always come before people from other nations.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: WAN]
    #22082202 - 08/12/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i agree, which is why we need to grant citizenship to all Mexicans.  Its the only way we can ever justify the diversion of tax dollars necessary for the invasion


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So you think the USA is "evil" for being so rich and successful, so you wish for her and her people to become poorer.  You are truly an evil individual, Enlil.



I don't believe in "evil".  The current American standard of living is unsustainable on a global scale.  Unless we have a mass-depopulation event, something's eventually gonna give.

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You start first, send your money to all the third world people you want. How much is the first check going to be?



I don't remember how much the first check was, but I funded the install of over 100 toilets last year, and I'll probably do triple that this year.




Wonderful, lets keep it voluntary.


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    #22167317 - 08/31/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You start first, send your money to all the third world people you want. How much is the first check going to be?




You are already sending money to third world people to the tune of US$3.15 billion per year. So I don't know what the fuck you're thinking.


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In addition to the $33 billion in direct aid given to Israel there are additional "loans" which are subsequently forgiven, plus transfers of weapons from the US inventory to Israel. And of course, there is the hideous cost in money and lives spent by America making war on Israel's enemies.

As a side note, every penny given to Israel is a violation of the Symington Amendment to the Foreign Appropriations Act and the Glenn Act., both of which forbid US financial aid to any nation in possession of nuclear weapons technology that has not signed the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty and does not allow IAEA inspections.

Beyond that, as we struggle through the nations worst financial crisis, the US government has no business sending a single penny of our tax money to a foreign nation while Americans sleep in alleys and eat out of trash dumpsters.




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    #22167903 - 08/31/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Arc, that is very true. They are a parasite country sucking out our blood giving us nothing but problems in return.


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p.s. how about we round up ALL illegal aliens and ship them back to Mexico?  That way, you will NEVER have to worry about being rear-ended by illegal aliens, whether they have a license or not.




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    #22174389 - 09/01/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, who cares? Mexico is close, they are illegal, if they want to go somewhere else they can go there from mexico. We are not running a limo service for dirtbags.


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if we annexed mexico, we could deport the illegals to Guatamala, and have a small enough border to keep 'em from coming back.


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if we annexed mexico, we could deport the illegals to Guatamala, and have a small enough border to keep 'em from coming back.




Mexico may object to that plan. We should annex Canada, they are too polite to object.


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if we annexed mexico, we could deport the illegals to Guatamala, and have a small enough border to keep 'em from coming back.




Mexico may object to that plan. We should annex Canada, they are too polite to object.




We should save Canada for last.  By then, the queen might be dead.  She's the only one whose objections i would worry about.  Once we have pursued Manifest Destiny and the Monroe Doctrine to their combined logical ends throughout the rest of the hemisphere, we can worry about the Canadians


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