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Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens
    #22080992 - 08/12/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Has this gotten out of hand or what? Under obumble's policies illegal aliens can not only vote but can get drivers licenses to help them register for welfare. California, home of the most extreme left wing loonies, is giving more licenses to illegals than to us citizens. Other states are following.

http://www.allgov.com/news/unusual-news/majority-of-new-drivers-licenses-issued-in-california-this-year-are-to-undocumented-immigrants-150812?news=857180

Majority of New Driver’s Licenses Issued in California This Year are to Undocumented Immigrants

Undocumented immigrants have not hesitated to take advantage of a new law in California that allows them to get drivers licenses despite their legal status.

Undocumented immigrants have received the majority of new drivers licenses issued in the state in 2015, thanks to AB 60, which went into effect this year. That law allows anyone with proof of residency and passing grades on driving and written tests to obtain a license, regardless of their immigration status.

“We’re really just going to some level of common sense,” Angelica Salas, the executive director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, told The New York Times. “We’ve done in-state tuition and professional licenses for more than a million people. Lives have changed significantly, and the sky has not fallen.”

The California Department of Motor Vehicles reported that as of June 30, the agency had issued 397,000 licenses to undocumented applicants out of a total of 759,000 people this year. By the end of July, the numbers were 443,000 licenses to undocumented immigrants out of a total of 883,000 licenses issued in 2015.

The DMV expects to issue 1.5 million licenses to undocumented immigrants within three years.

California is home to more undocumented immigrants than any other state, with approximately 3 million of them. But it is not the only state to approve a law allowing these immigrants to get drivers licenses. A dozen others, including Connecticut, Maryland and Colorado, have done so as well.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22081060 - 08/12/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Why should it matter if someone is here legally for purposes of getting a license?


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #22081101 - 08/12/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Why should it matter if someone is here legally for purposes of getting a license?




:facepalm: Cuz they don't belong here in the first place. Why reward illegal behavior?


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081109 - 08/12/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Because having a drivers license is a privilege. A privilege only legal citizens should have. Just my opinion


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: MightyWhite]
    #22081130 - 08/12/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So, people who are here on work visas or student visas shouldn't be able to drive?


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081154 - 08/12/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Being here on a work or student visa are the exceptions.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: MightyWhite]
    #22081169 - 08/12/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

my kneejerk reaction is to say "Fuck those illegal aliens!"
but when i think about it, i would much rather be rear-ended by a licensed, insured, illegal alien than be hit-and-run rear ended by an unlicensed uninsured illegal alien


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22081215 - 08/12/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

*undocumented immigrant

I guess I understand that angle you're coming from.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: qman]
    #22081244 - 08/12/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Why should it matter if someone is here legally for purposes of getting a license?




:facepalm: Cuz they don't belong here in the first place. Why reward illegal behavior?




Of course, why make it more tempting for illegals by giving welfare, food stamps, drivers licenses, etc? A license makes it look like they are documented to fool employers. Soon as the hnic is kicked to the curb we may see some improvements.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: MightyWhite]
    #22081256 - 08/12/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So, just to get this straight...you think that somehow issuing drivers licenses are a benefit to an undocumented immigrant?  I only ask because it seems to me that the purpose of drivers licenses isn't to benefit the ones getting them but to benefit the state in terms of making these people more readily accountable for violations and accidents.

You don't see that as a desirable outcome for undocumented immigrants?  Why would you not want the state to be able to have some way of holding people accountable?  Without a license, a person gives a fake name and drives off...or just drives off...or gets arrested and deported, leaving the other guy holding the bag.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081271 - 08/12/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081282 - 08/12/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Of course a license is a benefit for the one getting it. How blinkered do you have to be to not see that? Its a form of id for getting booze, getting a job, getting a lot of benefits and things. It allows one to drive.

>Without a license, a person gives a fake name and drives off...or just drives off

We have people called cops and they don't let you just drive off. Is there any handout you are against, any at all?


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #22081292 - 08/12/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Of course a license is a benefit for the one getting it. It allows one to drive. 
:yeahthatsfunny:


We have people called cops and they don't let you just drive off. :bathtub40lol:




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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22081333 - 08/12/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Silly me...I forgot that people don't drive without licenses and if they do, the cops always catch them...


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081347 - 08/12/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well it kinda is a benefit to have a valid license. You won't get your car impounded if you get pulled over, you will also be able to probably avoid a ticket for driving if you have a valid license. In my state the police can and most of the time do impound your vehicle if you don't have a license. Also they can and most of the time do take people to jail for driving without a license in my state (Michigan ). So being able to avoid that is a benefit, at least to me it is.

Back on my thought about what ballsalsa was saying, I don't know how insurance works in other states, but in Michigan is a no fault state, so if someone runs into me (undocumented immigrant or legal citizen, license or no license  ) I'm kind of fucked either way. Maybe in a different state it would be beneficial for a victim of an accident caused by an undocumented immigrant for the undocumented immigrant to at least have a license and insurance, that's why I guess I understand where he is coming from is all.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081378 - 08/12/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the US should grant citizenship to all Mexicans.  Then there will be justification to annex Mexico for the sake of protecting US citizens. Everybody Wins.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081400 - 08/12/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So, just to get this straight...you think that somehow issuing drivers licenses are a benefit to an undocumented immigrant?  I only ask because it seems to me that the purpose of drivers licenses isn't to benefit the ones getting them but to benefit the state in terms of making these people more readily accountable for violations and accidents.

You don't see that as a desirable outcome for undocumented immigrants?  Why would you not want the state to be able to have some way of holding people accountable?  Without a license, a person gives a fake name and drives off...or just drives off...or gets arrested and deported, leaving the other guy holding the bag.




"gets arrested and deported"

Wouldn't that disincentive an illegal from driving or even potentially entering the US in the first place?

Instead of rewarding this bullshit, you discourage it.


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22081409 - 08/12/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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the US should grant citizenship to all Mexicans.  Then there will be justification to annex Mexico for the sake of protecting US citizens. Everybody Wins.




How much thought did you give this genius idea?


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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22081413 - 08/12/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There's a California bill moving along that would automatically register licensed drivers to vote. AP 1461

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/04/28/bill-to-register-all-california-drivers-to-vote-advances/

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Padilla is supporting a bill, AB 1461, authored by Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez (D-San Diego), that would, as in Oregon, require that every person with a driver’s license in California be automatically registered to vote.

AB 1461 says that a licensed driver would have to affirmatively opt out of being registered in order not to be enrolled automatically.




A similar bill has already passed in Oregon.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/oregon-is-first-state-to-adopt-automatic-voter-registration/

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Gov. Kate Brown signed a bill that puts the burden of registration on the state instead of voters.

Under the legislation, every adult citizen in Oregon who has interacted with the Driver and Motor Vehicle Services Division since 2013 but hasn’t registered to vote will receive a ballot in the mail at least 20 days before the next statewide election. The measure is expected to add about 300,000 new voters to the rolls.




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Re: Most Cali drivers licenses go to illegal aliens [Re: Enlil]
    #22081423 - 08/12/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Without a license, a person gives a fake license, fake name and drives off...or just drives off...or gets arrested and deported, leaving the other guy holding the bag.




No-one here illegally should get any societal benefits.

Do they not have uninsured motorist coverage in Cali?


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