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    #22080991 - 08/12/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: AwesomeUsername]
    #22081039 - 08/12/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I hope you can try them someday. After the first try they cut a large chunk out of my depression that never grew back. It has been ages since I last took them. Most awesome drug I've ever experienced.
They can teach you many things. :mushroom2:


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: Love_spirit]
    #22081080 - 08/12/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

it shows you that there is no depression. shows you the beauty in life you never thought was there


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22081393 - 08/12/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you cannot get mushrooms anytime soon, you might want to try the mineral magnesium. MgCl2 or MgSO4 (Mg salts) in water solution, orally or externally.
Reason being that the primary cause of depression is magnesium deficiency.
Though many other things contribute to it also. And also many things can make one deficient of magnesium, it's not just about the amount eaten.

And shrooms can remove some of those other things things and some things that contribute to magnesium deficiency. Thus alleviating or removing depression.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22081559 - 08/12/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>> it shows you that there is no depression. shows you the beauty in life you never thought was there

Maybe.  Ultimately that depends on the specific nature of the depression involved.  If it has a primarily psychological component, being suddenly thrust into new ways of thinking could precipitate the favourable outcome you described.  If it has a primarily neurological component, and if the action of psychedelic mushrooms on the brain has specific relevance to that component, the mushrooms might have a role in remission there as well.

Early research into the use of psychedelic mushrooms in depressive disorders have lead scientists to suspect that symptom relief might emerge from a broad disruption in neuronal signalling.  Psilocybin mushrooms enhance neuronal signalling in some respects, while suppressing it in other respects, the net result being a kind of "reboot" effect which may prompt the brain to rapidly reconfigure out of its pathology.  Eliciting this same "reboot" effect using transcranial magnetic stimulation has been studied in depth, and was found to produce symptom relief in about 30% of patients.


>> Reason being that the primary cause of depression is magnesium deficiency.

The primary cause of depression is not magnesium deficiency.  If that were the case, depression would already be a thing of the past.  Magnesium deficiency can subject the brain to toxic stress, and depressive symptoms can emerge from that stress, but major depressive disorder remains a complex illness arising from numerous causes and conditions acting in concert.  More often than not, there just isn't a quick fix.


>> and shrooms can remove some of those other things things and some things that contribute to magnesium deficiency.

To my knowledge, psilocybin mushrooms have no bearing at all on magnesium absorption, excretion, or magnesium-selective ion channels, nor can they be used to treat a magnesium deficiency in any way.  It is difficult to conceive a scenario under which psilocybin mushrooms might impact magnesium handling.


>> I want to hear direct experience reports from people who have suffered depression and overcame it by using magic mushrooms once or a few times in their lifetime.

I realize this wasn't your question, but for what it's worth my experience with mushrooms did not alleviate my own depressive symptoms one iota, and in fact there were a few trips after which I felt considerably more depressed for an extended period.


>> Is it really that effective of a treatment that it can heal people from all of their problems without any therapy whatsoever and motivating those who once weren't even able to get out of bed? Can the positive effects of magic mushrooms really last up to 20 years after just one use or is it all just an exaggeration?

If you are asking if psilocybin mushrooms can be relied upon as a quick fix for depression, the answer is definitely no.  Anecdotal accounts might attest to radical and long-lasting remission, but the accuracy of such reports is at best unclear: who are these people?  What is their background?  Who diagnosed them?  Who evaluated their results? 

It's probable that psilocybin mushrooms could have a role in treating certain types of depression in certain people, but it is highly improbable that they can be used to treat all depression in all people. 

Depression is an enormously complex illness with an equally complex physiological and psychological substrate.  Treating it therefore involves fully elucidating that substrate and addressing each of its aspects.  Naturally, that can be a long process filled with hours of psychotherapy and tedious trial and error.  In other words, treating depression requires work, i.e., patience.  In some cases, psilocybin mushrooms could provide a short-cut through all of that, but if you pin your hopes on that outcome you might be setting yourself up for disappointment.  That's not to say the endeavour isn't worth a try, but it's probably wise to avoid high expectations.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: Ped]
    #22081733 - 08/12/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The primary cause of depression is not magnesium deficiency.  If that were the case, depression would already be a thing of the past.  Magnesium deficiency can subject the brain to toxic stress, and depressive symptoms can emerge from that stress, but major depressive disorder remains a complex illness arising from numerous causes and conditions acting in concert.  More often than not, there just isn't a quick fix.



The primary cause is magnesium deficiency. I suggest doing some research regarding what people eat and what those "foods" contain or not, and how much nutrients-vitamins-minerals those people get or not, and how much the body needs, and how many toxins-poisons they get or not. And how those effect the body in general.

Something that probably says nothing to you, but I have first-hand experience. And first-hand experience of getting rid of the problem, and many other problems. Research has revealed that I am not the only one.

I'm not talking about any "quick fixes", never have. But generally it is this simple. Most health issues in present society are in the diet, the nutrients-vitamins-minerals one gets or not and toxins. It is this simple.

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To my knowledge, psilocybin mushrooms have no bearing at all on magnesium absorption, excretion, or magnesium-selective ion channels, nor can they be used to treat a magnesium deficiency in any way.  It is difficult to conceive a scenario under which psilocybin mushrooms might impact magnesium handling.




Some mushrooms have substances in them that kill parasitic organisms. Here is a relation to magnesium levels and its absorption. Parasites harm the gut, harmed gut absorbs minerals with more difficulty. And harmed gut requires minerals for healing, which it takes from the rest of the body if no other sources are available. The gut is probably the most important part of the body, as that's where nutrients are supposed to enter the body. No nutrients = death.
Parasites also create toxins and their die-off creates toxins, and other harm, which again impacts magnesium levels.

Some make the brain find more efficient pathways, thus in extension lowered requirements for minerals as the working of less cells and neurons are needed for the same work. Probably... don't know for certain... At the moment makes sense.

They make one happier. Happier body works better in many many ways, also helps remove parasitic organisms as some of them require low and bad moods and the corresponding substances for good life, and makes the body produce good substances. Which all translates into lowered need of magnesium, because there's less harmful in the body due to increased happiness.
Probably more ways.

Of course it's not just magnesium the need of gets lowered, other things also.

Not direct influence on magnesium. But through effecting one, then that one effecting another, and another. A chain effect reaching magnesium.

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I realize this wasn't your question, but for what it's worth my experience with mushrooms did not alleviate my own depressive symptoms one iota, and in fact there were a few trips after which I felt considerably more depressed for an extended period.



Did you ever try magnesium?
And what did you do to get rid of it? Would be interesting to know.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: nummi]
    #22082109 - 08/12/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have anxiety problems and in IME mushrooms have not helped. I have had no therapy and had no intent (for the first trip) to reflect on my problems. I generally have an underlying feeling of uneasy dread with total confusion and no ability to focus when tripping.

It could be because of: mushroom genetics / mental disease / trauma / low dose-ish

I find it scary that I sometimes can feel the uneasy state of mind now and then in sober life.

Anyway, its is not guaranteed that mushrooms will have a significant impact on depression, in my case anyway.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: nummi]
    #22082737 - 08/12/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>> The primary cause is magnesium deficiency.

That's just not true.  Depression is not a magnesium deficiency.  Some of its symptoms can be caused by a magnesium deficiency, but depression itself is not defined by nor exclusively treatable as a magnesium deficiency.


>> Some mushrooms have substances in them that kill parasitic organisms. Here is a relation to magnesium levels and its absorption.

There are certain species of mushroom with antiparasitic properties. Psilocybin mushrooms are not among them. There are certain human parasites which can affect magnesium absorption.  Psilocybin mushrooms do not kill them.  The things you are saying contain a note of truth, but are so vastly overstated as to be inaccurate and wholly misleading.

It's not constructive to promise unrealistic solutions to people suffering from depression.


>> Did you ever try magnesium?

Yes.


>> And what did you do to get rid of it? Would be interesting to know.

I haven't.  Like many depression sufferers around the world, I manage it, often with varying success.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: Ped]
    #22082830 - 08/12/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I was suicidal. A coworker said, "a good dose of magic mushrooms will fix your ass right up."

That night, he gave me a baggie with 5g and said that I would know when to take them.

About two weeks later, I was in another 'mood' and talked myself into believing they were poison. So, I finally ate them and waited for death.

Instead, in about an hour, I got my life back. By the end of that first trip, I had a new direction, a hopeful future, a damn good idea on what I really wanted to do in life, and... my friends can't believe this... I had a fucking smile on my face that still, after three years, hasn't faded.

I wanted death. The mushrooms showed me the way to my future life here.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: Ped]
    #22084451 - 08/13/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That's just not true.  Depression is not a magnesium deficiency.  Some of its symptoms can be caused by a magnesium deficiency, but depression itself is not defined by nor exclusively treatable as a magnesium deficiency.




I said magnesium is the primary contributor, because it is. I base this observation on many things, most importantly on personal experience because what do I really know if I haven't experienced it first-hand?
I know first-hand how magnesium deficiency effects the body.
For example. Iodine deficiency can make the head ache, and lower mood and cause fatigue. Potassium deficiency can make the head ache and lower mood and cause fatigue. Excess sugar the same. Toxins the same. Parasite die-off the same. Etc. On the surface all the same, but if you actually look at the aches themselves and feel them in more depth and detail, then you'll notice they are all quite different. So it is not that difficult to notice the effects of magnesium deficiency and track its distinct path of devastation.
And the depth of discomfort and aches and bad mood magnesium deficiency can go... is far deeper and stronger and wider than the other ones. Because how many functions does magnesium have in the body?

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There are certain species of mushroom with antiparasitic properties. Psilocybin mushrooms are not among them. There are certain human parasites which can affect magnesium absorption.  Psilocybin mushrooms do not kill them.  The things you are saying contain a note of truth, but are so vastly overstated as to be inaccurate and wholly misleading.

It's not constructive to promise unrealistic solutions to people suffering from depression.




I don't promise anything. I provide information about actually working solutions I am aware of.

There's enough accuracy in what I say and I do not mislead. If you think I mislead regarding depression, then you already are misled and are basing your observations on lies or falsehoods, or are basing them on inadequate information, or you don't see well enough or deep or far enough.
Now's an opportunity to correct your course. Up to you whether you use it or not.
Personally, I don't really care much for details. What I care for are the patterns of the working that details help construct in the mind. So if some topic, some issue comes up, I most importantly refer to those patterns, not the learned details.

What is not constructive is claiming to be true something you do not really know whether it is true or not.

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>> Did you ever try magnesium?
Yes.




What kind?
Ionic magnesium? Magnesium salts? Magnesium citrate, gluconate, or such?

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I haven't.  Like many depression sufferers around the world, I manage it, often with varying success.



So you have no personal experience solving the depression issue? In other words you can give no true beneficial advice, because isn't the goal to get rid of depression and back to health and not how to live with it?

Well then... I too had depression, on and off for many years. I don't anymore.
Why "manage" something if you can actually get rid of it for good with such ease?

And as I've indicated, at least I think I did, there are more ways than one to become deficient of magnesium. It's not just about how much you consume. But in my case starting to consume more magnesium, easiest form of magnesium (MgCl2 which in water solution goes into ionic form), solved the issue.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: nummi]
    #22088589 - 08/13/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>> I said magnesium is the primary contributor, because it is.

Succinctly, it isn't.  Magnesium deficiency is not a root cause of major depressive disorder.  Magnesium deficiency can and does produce depressive symptoms (among other symptoms), but is not itself an inherent attribute of the physiological substrate of depression.  Magnesium supplementation may be therapeutically useful in some or even most cases of major depressive disorder, but even if this unproven hypothesis should turn out to be true, still it does not indicate that magnesium deficiency is the root cause of major depressive disorder.


>> I base this observation on many things, most importantly on personal experience

Evidence is a superior basis for understanding things like major depressive disorder.


>> I know first-hand how magnesium deficiency effects the body.

Sincerely, that's great.  To find the cause of your medical problem and then treat it effectively--especially with something as simple as magnesium supplementation--is a really positive thing.  It doesn't mean that everybody with symptoms similar to yours can be treated in the same way, however.  It's helpful to suggest that a magnesium deficiency may be contributing to a depressive pathology, but it is not helpful to suggest that it definitely causes that pathology.  We know this is true because depressive disorders proceed according to a physiological and psychological substrate which is considerably more complex than that, and which manifests in individuals according to an entire spectrum of variables among which magnesium may or may not be functionally involved.


>> If you think I mislead regarding depression, then you already are misled and are basing your observations on lies or falsehoods, or are basing them on inadequate information, or you don't see well enough or deep or far enough.

I can say with high confidence that this is definitely not the case.  I happen to be particularly informed on this subject.  If I thought you were presenting new information with specific relevance and backed by sufficient evidence, I would be echoing your statements.  The role of magnesium in depressive disorders is not new information, however, and the evidence does not support the notion that magnesium deficiency is an inherent attribute of the physiological substrate of depression. Multiple vectors of evidence lead away from this hypothesis, including genetic evidence.  It's for this reason that I've identified your assertions as misleading.

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Because all theories of depression apply to only some types of depressed patients but not others, and because depressive pathophysiology may vary considerably across the course of illness, the current extant knowledge argues against a unified hypothesis of depression.




>> Personally, I don't really care much for details. What I care for are the patterns of the working that details help construct in the mind. So if some topic, some issue comes up, I most importantly refer to those patterns, not the learned details.

That approach might service the development of meaningful insights in some arenas of thought--particularly abstract or speculative lines of reasoning--but when it comes to understanding the nature of depression it is most definitely not constructive.  Correctly understanding the physiological and psychological substrate of depression is contingent upon painstaking attention to detail, and indeed it's only through correctly understanding this substrate that meaningful solutions can be ascertained and implemented.

Insofar as evidence supports a potential role from magnesium supplementation in the treatment of depressive disorders, raising the issue is valuable and constructive.  Presenting it as dependable cure in all cases is not valuable or constructive, however, because the evidence does not support that assertion.


>> So you have no personal experience solving the depression issue? In other words you can give no true beneficial advice, because isn't the goal to get rid of depression and back to health and not how to live with it?

I have more than 20 years of experience seeking solutions for depression, and in the course of that pursuit I've also had to learn how to manage without a solution.  This is a practical reality that many depression sufferers have to embrace.  There is no flight from depression, no quick fix, no catch-all cure, and it is irresponsible to raise such hopes in people suffering from depression.  Some people can treat their depression in a few weeks, while others require a few years, and still others require decades or a lifetime.  It is this way because depression is a complex disorder which manifests in individuals according to an entire spectrum of physiological and psychological variables, some of which are easier to identity and address than others.


>> Well then... I too had depression, on and off for many years. I don't anymore.

I'm very glad that's the case, because depression is a debilitating illness which can rob a person of their quality of life.  If your symptoms were quickly alleviated with magnesium supplementation, I think that's very fortunate, and I think it's good reason to suggest magnesium deficiency to others who might be experiencing similar symptoms.  It is not good reason to insist that magnesium deficiency is an inherent attribute of the physiological substrate of depression, however, and indeed that assertion has the potential to mislead, raise expectations, and thereby generate negative outcomes.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: Ped]
    #22089818 - 08/14/15 01:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Putting it in front here too for emphasis: I would like to get the answer to "what form of magnesium and how much you used?", and "what and how much you ate when you tried magnesium?"
This is what "which one of us is right and which is wrong" hangs on.

So far, essentially, regarding depression, the only disagreement is about magnesium deficiency playing the primary role in depression.

You do realize you are arguing against someone who, unlike you, actually got rid of depression and many other related issues for good? Arguing against someone who knows why depression is caused in the first place... Or is your depression keeping you from admitting and accepting you are wrong? Because I remember such depression and magnesium deficiency related behavior on myself also - the forcing onto myself of being right when the obvious truth was that I was not.
I now know why such behavior manifests. Because the body is protecting itself. Such kind of behavior is easiest seen on meat-avoiders (vegans and such religious fanatics), because they deny their bodies many essential vitamins and nutrients - those that especially the brain needs for proper functioning.
Anyway, magnesium in relation to brain's functioning and body protecting itself. If you are deficient of something, like Mg, but that something is also essential for proper brain functioning. Learning new things, accepting new things - which translates into the forming of new pathways in the brain, which in turn requires vitamins-minerals-nutrients. But if you are deficient of something, then forming those pathways would require the body to take those from elsewhere from the body, causing extremely severe deficiencies there and resulting in extremely severe bodily failure at least in some parts. Body is aware of this, and so, instead of allowing the forming of those new pathways and the resulting "collapse", it simply doesn't. And since the learning-growing processes aren't even initiated, you cannot move on to new discoveries, to new and better understandings, and so you will instead, unconsciously, move to the old that you are already aware of. Essentially in a loop for as long as the deficienies are present. This also makes learning in general slower, much slower (instead of a few months, can take years, because over many years the essential is there, but in shorter span is not).

I mentioned meat-avoiders, because I recently conversed with a few. One was about 15 years at it, another 30 years, another again some years. I asked very very many questions, truth revealing questions, and gave very many explanations. And everything relevant, everything that showed truth of their situation and their wrong they simply ignored 100%. Over and over. In a loop.
What I did get from them a lot of was very strong anger, insults, disrespect, misinterpretation, misunderstandings, blindness, ignorance, irrationality, arrogance, etc., lots and lots of bad. Because their own body was protecting itself from severe bodily failure due to the lack of the essential to create the new pathways. Their bodies initiated what it could to keep itself safe - thus all the insults and downright blindness to what I had asked and explained.

You have 20 years of experience searching for a solution. I found the solution to almost all modern illnesses and health issues in a few months... shortly put, nearly all in the diet. I suppose I got "lucky", the "right" path sort of fell to my lap.
Isn't it odd that just like the meat-avoiders brought in the years they've been at it (30 and 15), so did you (20). As if it gives you some "authority"; it doesn't. If you are wrong then you are wrong no matter how long you've been on the wrong path. All that time you've never found a solution, while there's someone right in front of you now who found the solution(s) in a few months (the yearly difference must be very difficult...). You're at least partially on the wrong path and have been for 20 years. I bet this must be hard to accept (guess how the vegans responded to this...).
You've accumulated lots of details over the years, just like the vegans had, but what use of the details if your focus is not right?
You may know as much as you like, but if the fundamentals are faulty or wrong, then all the rest is also faulty or wrong.

I had depression, I got rid of it. You had depression, you never got rid of it, you still have it. And you think you are more right regarding this than me, while I got rid of mine and while I know exactly how I got rid of it and how to get rid of it in general?
You know how to live with it. I know how to get rid of it. And you know better??

I asked you what form of magnesium you used. You did not answer that question? Why?
I asked because if you used the wrong kind and/or too little, then of course it could not work. Also considering that there's more ways than one to become deficient. The whole diet needs to be "right" enough.
Are you, did you avoid answering this question in fear of revealing yourself to be wrong? Because I've had the same symptom, this fear, years ago, of being wrong, while deficient.

Evidence? Someone had to first experience something, to then word it out, or let someone else word it out. The very first "evidence" is someone having personal experience or seeing first-hand.
Would you rather have someone parrot something from a book, or parrot something some scientist had also parroted, that down the chain of parroting and repeating originated from someone's personal experience or perceiving?
Or would you rather have the experiencer tell you directly?
And either way. That something is labeled "evidence", is 100% irrelevant, because in the end it is you who has to decide for yourself what is right and what is wrong. But when deciding, it's best to consider all relevant in front of you...

Are you stuck with the old, due to your body being deficient, just like the "vegans" are, and just like I was?
I want the direct, most original, most uncorrupted information. This is why if you want to know something for real, you have to do your own research, your own thinking, and try out yourself. I have presented my awareness on the topic, I am not obligated to provide some "evidence" that suits your preferences. I give my own, not your own. If you want to know for certain, which at present you don't, then this you have to do on your own. I've given my "guidings" and I can give some more, but beyond this the rest is entirely up to you.

I would like to get the answer to "what form of magnesium and how much you used?", and "what and how much you ate when you tried magnesium?"
This is what "which one of us is right and which is wrong" hangs on.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: nummi]
    #22089842 - 08/14/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The mushrooms have taken a huge chunk of depression out for me as well. It allowed me to deal with some trauma from my past and understand that in the end it really doesn't matter, whilst giving a psychic hug and kiss telling me I was fine and beautiful.

Diet helps too but I think you need to deal with the psychological aspects of your depression, especially if it stems from past trauma.

The biggest contributor to kicking depression was when I had the worst trip ever on acid though. Totally lifted the fog.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: nummi]
    #22090107 - 08/14/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

nummi - Welcome to the forums. Please watch your tone and content when posting in this forum in particular. Aggressive, antagonistic posting styles will not be tolerated.

This is a harm reduction forum and there are many different ways to cope with physical and mental illness, so if you came here looking for validation that your way is the "right" way, and to preach to people about it, this may not be the right fit for you.

If you're able to offer what has worked for you without the need to be right or for everyone agree with your methods, then you'l do great!

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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: yogabunny]
    #22091652 - 08/14/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ah hey, I'll pitch in. My experiences really helped me out, but it's not guaranteed that it would work for everyone. I think the reason it worked so well for me is because I wasn't trying to alleviate my depression. I thought about killing myself but I decided before doing that I might as well do the things that were "forbidden" to me before (religious background) and ended up finding the mushrooms. Granted, I had been wanting to try cyans and azurescens since middle school. So I had quite a desire to experience the mushrooms and that desire is likely a contributing factor. I was more stoked to experience the mushrooms than anything else in my life. Then when I got to experience them I got interesting results. Like the very first experience led me to realize that I'm beautiful, where previously I saw myself as ugly. It's like I had been living with some sort of body dysmorphia and then I was able to see what I actually look like through the perspective that the mushroom experience granted me. So yes magic mushrooms can combat depression, but it's more about what happens during the experience rather than the raw drug itself. Simply taking psilocybin isn't going to cure depression, but how it's experienced is where the magic occurs. At least, that's my belief on the matter.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: yogabunny]
    #22093733 - 08/15/15 06:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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nummi - Welcome to the forums. Please watch your tone and content when posting in this forum in particular. Aggressive, antagonistic posting styles will not be tolerated.

This is a harm reduction forum and there are many different ways to cope with physical and mental illness, so if you came here looking for validation that your way is the "right" way, and to preach to people about it, this may not be the right fit for you.

If you're able to offer what has worked for you without the need to be right or for everyone agree with your methods, then you'l do great!

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It wasn't antagonistic or aggressive style. Perhaps antagonistic and aggressive is the closest you are aware of, and thus this is how you describe what you see.
I notice some subtleties and I bring them out, to be addressed, if they get in the way of moving on.
I gave advice, someone disagreed with it. And that which would show who is right or wrong regarding this, has yet to be answered.

"Preach"? Really? And the other person didn't "preach"? Honesty...
Did you even consider anything I said? At all? If there is something you don't like regarding what I said, then bring the examples, and explain why you don't like them. Don't just say, because just saying is forcing your opinions, and this to me is highly disrespectful. Explain and ask for explanations - this is what I do; I ask questions and I provide explanations regarding what I perceive and what I am aware of. If you think I am wrong, then don't just say so, but explain what you base it on.

I didn't come here looking for any validation. And why would I? I know myself, I know what works for me or not. And I know a lot about human health in general and what causes health issues, not just that what applies only to me.
I just say what I am aware of, and if someone says something based on lower awareness and tries forcing it without really considering other opinions, then I bring their fault or shortcoming to light.
Did you notice that there were some relevant questions that my "opponent" ignored answering? The questions that should be answered in order to determine which one is right and which is wrong. But I guess that person was never interested in truth... only interested in arguing and validating his ways - the qualities you mistakenly have attributed to me. After all, who initiated it? Because I just gave some advice, advice someone disagrees with. Someone who doesn't want to go to the source of the reason he disagrees? Because it might turn out he is wrong?

And did you notice that the most important disagreement is that "magnesium is the primary contributor to depression?" I was moving toward getting this disagreement solved (which would require the answering of the questions I bolded and underlined), as a result either by proving myself wrong or the other person.

I do not care if anyone agrees with me or not. What I do care for is to be honest and explain why someone doesn't like something and ask for further explanations if necessary.

I always, whatever it is, go to the source of the issue, as deep as I can. Step by step. I analyze everything to the best I can (asking questions and providing explanations). Including behavior and beliefs-opinions-views-ways, and why they are as they are.
I've seen that people tend to take this as me being aggressive or antagonistic. But that is false, I am not.
People get angry because I bring out flaws-possibilities; most people do not want to be wrong; they fear being wrong. I've been wrong a lot myself the same way most people still are. Not admitting oneself the possibility of being wrong - a mistake I learned from quite a while ago. So now I welcome being wrong, because this provides an opportunity to improve myself.
Thus far, nothing that is said here shows me to be wrong. The bolded and underlined questions might, might not, I don't know. Only one way to find out.

Some explanations and questions... that's all.
Unfortunately I very rarely get the same in return through honesty. And most times the ones who reply to my posts are those who have big unresolved issues. They always ignore the most relevant questions and explanations I've introduced, those that represent the possibility that they might be wrong.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: nummi]
    #22093794 - 08/15/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You think that because you "cured" your "depression" by taking magnesium supplements, that's going to work for everybody. I've skimmed through some of you other posts about nutrition etc, and this seems to be a common thread. You think what works for you will work for everybody.

That type of attitude has caused A LOT of unnecessary drama here in the past. The language very language you use is antagonistic and inflammatory. You refer to your "opponent" and needing answers to determine "which one is right and which one is wrong". The person with whom you were having a discussion addressed your points, calmly and politely. You started making it into a fight.

This is not a debate forum.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: yogabunny]
    #22101116 - 08/17/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You attack with hostility and disrespect and then you wonder why so antagonistic? You are antagonistic.
What I am is more in line of "reprimanditory". Can you make the distinction?

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You think that because you "cured" your "depression" by taking magnesium supplements, that's going to work for everybody. I've skimmed through some of you other posts about nutrition etc, and this seems to be a common thread. You think what works for you will work for everybody.



Interesting that instead of providing the answers to: "I would like to get the answer to "what form of magnesium and how much you used?", and "what and how much you ate when you tried magnesium?" and giving explanations and asking questions.
Instead I get such an attack against me?

Thank you for showing you do not care for considering what is said. And are interested in forcing your opinions and pointlessly arguing. And this from a "moderator"...
You do remember I said "I bring flaws and faults and shortcomings to light"? I address issues, not ignore them.

Do you have issues with understanding something so simple as "give examples, then explanations why you disagree with it, and ask further questions". Is this really so very hard to do? Do you really have to disrespect another by forcing your opinions without explaining yourself while claiming superiority through your behavior? I do not care who you think you are or I am. What I care for is you, or anyone, actually explaining themselves and asking further questions if don't understand something, especially regarding the most relevant - you're not doing this, you are simply attacking.
I don't know what your issues are, but best you don't live them out on me, or whoever else.

Magnesium is one mineral most humans are deficient of, one very very important mineral. Then another is iodine. Simple and very important minerals quite many deficient of. And of course many other deficiencies.

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That type of attitude has caused A LOT of unnecessary drama here in the past.



That "type" of attitude? Evidently you are a very poor judge of attitude.
Whatever attitude you think you are perceiving, you are perceiving wrong. Refer to the explanations and questions I have given and have asked (asked but as yet have not received any answer), and try to focus on them really really hard, because you are missing the entire point by a very long stretch. And you are supposed to be a moderator? A "moderator" - someone who is supposed to discriminate well what is what and why exactly. Interesting...

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The language very language you use is antagonistic and inflammatory.



This I have already explained. Way to go to ignore that...
You ignore everything I've said and then you wonder why there is antagonism? What do you think ignoring another results in? Here is an example of the result.

You say this type of thing has been an issue before? Then don't cause this type if an issue! Right now you have caused this here. Not me. You!
Explanations and questions - these I have asked for and instead I get what?!

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The person with whom you were having a discussion addressed your points, calmly and politely. You started making it into a fight.



Imitating being calm and polite, and then ignoring answering the most important questions and giving the most important explanations. Now why so?
I didn't start to make it a fight. As I also have already explained.

You as well are ignoring considering what I have said. And you as well, just like him/her, are ignoring considering the most relevant. Honestly, you are not a moderator "material".

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This is not a debate forum.



I'm not here to debate. I'm don't debate at all. I analyze, I explain and ask questions.
I would very much have liked if all this had remained within the boundaries of the topic of this thread, but apparently some cannot get past their own issues and shortcomings and ignore a lot.
Have I ignored anything relevant?

I thought this would be a place where should be more aware and respectful and considerate people. And a place to learn some things about specific type of mushrooms. I guess I was wrong.
Either ban me, or give me another highly disrespectful response, doesn't matter. Either one of those, and I will never return. Up to you.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: nummi]
    #22101165 - 08/17/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:rofl:

Your making the use of magnesium look very unattractive brah


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: nummi]
    #22101599 - 08/17/15 06:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh my.....


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: nummi]
    #22101822 - 08/17/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No one is required to respond to a question just because you asked, and that includes moderators. The last post you directed at Ped was rude and inflammatory in tone, and I don't blame him for not responding.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: AwesomeUsername]
    #22102394 - 08/17/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Can magic mushrooms be used to combat depression? I can't say categorically yes or no. From experience I would have to say that, no, they do not have that effect with me.
This may be because when I take mushrooms now I am putting them into an old body that can't really metabolize them efficiently anymore.
But, really, they never really had an anti-depressive effect in my case. Most of my mushroom trips went like this: Stage one--coming up, usually euphoric but there could be apprehension as well if I was worried that the potency of the dose was more than I had estimated it would be.

Stage 2: I would become aware that things were pulsing, wavering, "breathing". and there would be patterns appearing on the pavement, on walls, on peoples faces, etc.. This might be fun to watch, entertaining, and even enlightening, depending on what you could infer about the nature of perception, reality, etc..

Stage three: Then I would become aware that I felt stuffed, uncomfortable, full of something that was not being easily digested. I would then start resisting the trip.I would become disgruntled, anxious. When a wave of phenomena--CEVs or OEVs,all the rest of the shenanigans mushrooms can play--would come rolling in, I would get up and start pacing the floor.I would start remembering past failures, times when I disappointed friends, lost jobs for stupid reasons, hurt my parents, betrayed partners, etc.

Sometimes, when I didn't strain the mushroom tea thoroughly enough, I would start to feel nauseous.I would pace back and forth asking myself,"Why would anybody deliberately put themselves in this position? You fucking dummy,you can't be content to make a mess of things for your friends and family, you have to go and eat shit that can't get past your stomach.

Sometimes the nausea would go away, sometimes, I would puke. Then the trip would start to wind down. This is always the best pat for me. My mind gets quieter.I can lie down and close my eyes and calmly observe what is happening. I can meditate. If it weren't for this part of a trip, I would never have taken mushrooms after the first time.

As it is, I use mushrooms very rarely. It takes a long time to forget the negative third stage of the experience. If I take them twice a year, it is a lot.


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Re: Combating depression with magic mushrooms. [Re: champinhom]
    #22102916 - 08/17/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you for sharing. :thumbup:

That sounds a lot like the kind of experiences I used to have.  I'd find myself embedded in rumination over all sorts of regrets, wondering why I took the mushrooms in the first place.  Sometimes that experience can be therapeutic, helping me to untangle and make peace with some of the loose ends in my life that I'm not proud of.  The effect never lasts, though.  Perhaps for a few days or weeks, I can retain whatever resolutions emerged, but in the end they all fade off and I arrive right back where I started.

Perhaps if they were combined with a more structured psychotherapeutic technique, mushrooms would be more useful instruments in that regard.  As we have seen, though, the "psychedelic revolution" of the 1960s did not produce an entire generation of liberated, enlightened people free of psychological torments.  That generation grew up to be just like the rest of us: sometimes happy, sometimes depressed, facing the same problems and the same emotional challenges as everybody else.


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