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Thayendanegea
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Re: Freddie Gray incriminating leaks [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22085867 - 08/13/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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No one says Gray is 100% at fault...and, yes Prisoner..the "discovery" issue is going on right now and both sides are bitching at each other. Both sides are allowed to investigate for their cases...the defense is simply putting together an investigation....a investigation that shows that Freddie Gray may have purposely hurt himself from some (as yet undisclosed)source...and that, the prosecution was hiding evidence of this. THAT WOULD BE A HUGE FACTOR in defending one's clients....and ...if true, would certainly cast a putrid light on this whole fiasco. For Christ's sake, they're talking about Freddie Gray monuments in West Baltimore. like he's a hero or something. Like I said before, this whole case against these cops was weak to begin with and is unraveling as we speak.
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Re: Freddie Gray incriminating leaks [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22085939 - 08/13/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: You don't get it. Police departments are corrupt. They are run like a gang and the individual officers either play ball or their careers will go nowhere.
it must really suck to live where you do if the cops are so damn corrupt, having to live in constant fear of cops you think will beat or murder you
I'm glad I dont live in fear
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Read the sun article. The defense is receiving leaks from the police department. How does that fact right there not put into focus how the police corrupt and impede the prosecution of the rank and file.
as opposed tot he corruption of the prosecution who is supposed to deliver that information themselves to the defense and clearly are not doing. maybe you're unfamiliar with the term 'discovery'. it's about evidence disclosure so that both sides go into this legal proceeding fully armed with the evidence needed to present their case and if the defense is having to get their information from a 3rd party instead of directly from the prosecution then it's clear that the corrupt one is the prosecution
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discovery n. the entire efforts of a party to a lawsuit and his/her/its attorneys to obtain information before trial through demands for production of documents, depositions of parties and potential witnesses, written interrogatories (questions and answers written under oath), written requests for admissions of fact, examination of the scene and the petitions and motions employed to enforce discovery rights. The theory of broad rights of discovery is that all parties will go to trial with as much knowledge as possible and that neither party should be able to keep secrets from the other (except for constitutional protection against self-incrimination). Often much of the fight between the two sides in a suit takes place during the discovery period.
now why would you be all about the defense of one corrupt side but not the other?
Discovery of what? What did they discover? Why do they police have to do the job of the defense? Even if the were previous lawsuits, it's doubtful, that would be allowed as defense eveidence. This case is about what the cops did to gray, not what gray did in the past.
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Thayendanegea
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Re: Freddie Gray incriminating leaks [Re: koods]
#22086016 - 08/13/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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His past would clearly play into what exactly happened in this current case...since no one knows exactly what happened in the back of that van.....certainly enough to cast reasonable doubt.
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Re: Freddie Gray incriminating leaks [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22086072 - 08/13/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: No one says Gray is 100% at fault...and, yes Prisoner..the "discovery" issue is going on right now and both sides are bitching at each other. Both sides are allowed to investigate for their cases...the defense is simply putting together an investigation....a investigation that shows that Freddie Gray may have purposely hurt himself from some (as yet undisclosed)source...and that, the prosecution was hiding evidence of this. THAT WOULD BE A HUGE FACTOR in defending one's clients....and ...if true, would certainly cast a putrid light on this whole fiasco. For Christ's sake, they're talking about Freddie Gray monuments in West Baltimore. like he's a hero or something. Like I said before, this whole case against these cops was weak to begin with and is unraveling as we speak.
And like I said, if he had tried to squeeze money out of the city there would be easily discoverable documents showing that. You're telling me that the cops defense lawyers don't even know how to do a records search?
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Thayendanegea said: His past would clearly play into what exactly happened in this current case...since no one knows exactly what happened in the back of that van.....certainly enough to cast reasonable doubt.
He was arrested without legal justification. We know he wasn't restrained and when the ride was over, he was fatally injured. Those are the facts on the case.
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Re: Freddie Gray incriminating leaks [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22086073 - 08/13/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: No one says Gray is 100% at fault...and, yes Prisoner..the "discovery" issue is going on right now and both sides are bitching at each other. Both sides are allowed to investigate for their cases...the defense is simply putting together an investigation....a investigation that shows that Freddie Gray may have purposely hurt himself from some (as yet undisclosed)source...and that, the prosecution was hiding evidence of this. THAT WOULD BE A HUGE FACTOR in defending one's clients....and ...if true, would certainly cast a putrid light on this whole fiasco. For Christ's sake, they're talking about Freddie Gray monuments in West Baltimore. like he's a hero or something. Like I said before, this whole case against these cops was weak to begin with and is unraveling as we speak.
Michael Brown has a monument and he tried to kill a cop.
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Re: Freddie Gray incriminating leaks [Re: Thayendanegea] 1
#22086102 - 08/13/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: His past would clearly play into what exactly happened in this current case...since no one knows exactly what happened in the back of that van.....certainly enough to cast reasonable doubt.
It's pretty fucked up that previous incidents of police brutality has now somehow become exculpatory evidence in favor of the police in people's mind.
Kinda like when someone who is constantly being arrested without charges filed isn't evidence of police harassment
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