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Car help, won't start. (Solved)
#22079795 - 08/12/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know there are a few knowledgeable people here which is why I'm asking here (I've asked elsewhere too, but I'm not getting much of a response).
2002 Mazda Protege5. Don't really have much to offer in the way of history, we just got it. Knew it needed work, we got it pretty cheap (nearly 1k less than what it was actually worth in it's condition, which is why we got it). It started (cold) and drove fine. Car wasn't bought from some shady person either. They got a new car, and didn't need this one anymore, it just happened by chance to come up in a conversation (and not because they brought it up).
Might be longer than needed, but I want to go through everything I did so there's a clear picture. Anyways.. Yesterday I went about working on it to figure out exactly what needed to be replaced (precat, o2 sensor or both) and the test involves starting the car and monitoring the o2 sensor. So I go to start it up after I get everything prepared, and the engine won't turn over. Seems like a dead battery (lights nearly go out when I turn the key). Test with multimeter, battery reads just above 10v, which I know means the battery is more or less dead as far as a car is concerned. Was kinda counting on the battery being bad, by the looks of it, it's obviously kinda old, and the car hadn't seen a lot of use for month or two. Bad batteries, pretty common, no big deal.
I take the battery to Autozone to have it tested, and they do, tell me it held the charge as it should and they don't see anything wrong with it. Cool, 100 less I have to spend. Get home and hook it back up (no I don't have it reversed) and go to start the car. It just endlessly turns over and never at any point seems like it's going to or is trying to start. No back firing or anything at all. Not the slightest catch. Only the starter motor is turn the engine.
Go Googling around and try a couple of things. My first assumption (which I still haven't entirely disproven) is that disconnecting the battery has fucked with the anti-theft system (which I don't know for sure we have, we have no key fob or anything) but I do what I read will disable it, which is unlocking driver door with the key. Doesn't work. I also read that sometimes the sensor for what gear you're in can fuck with it, so I start shifting between park and drive a few times, and try again. Still no dice.
The car has a precat problem (error code p0421, mentioned above) so it's entirely possible this has to do with the spark plugs, spark plug wires, or ignition coils. All of which will soon be replaced (coils and wires part of the order I just made on stuff I know needs to be replaced, plugs I can get when everything else is here).
While I'm waiting for everything to arrive, I'd like to see if I could figure out the issue of the starting. So what should I be looking for? I don't have a ODBII reader or much specialty diagnostic equipment. Why would it run just fine one day and then 2 days later not even try to start despite being able to turn over for 20-30 seconds?
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
Edited by Shroomslip (08/14/15 07:19 PM)
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22079797 - 08/12/15 02:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay let me preface this by saying I do not know shit, but I had somewhat similar problems with mine right up until my battery died(after a month of no use in the middle of winter) this year. It would kind of sputter, but never really start, and a friend told me to keep turning the key rapidly to the right - as in, not shutting it off or going too far left or what have you, but rapidly turning the key right. I guess it was the movement that made something switch on idk.
That trick never failed to start my hunk of shit right up until it was parked for a month in cold weather and wasn't turned on at all(my fault, I was commuting via train for a bit). It might be worth a try, and that's literally the only thing I can contribute to this thread before someone who actually knows something can help.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22079798 - 08/12/15 02:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just for clarification, did you swap the o2 sensor etc, or is the car "untouched" from the time it ran until now when it won't?
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22079801 - 08/12/15 02:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your o2 sensors might need changing. still reading post.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: 404]
#22079807 - 08/12/15 03:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ok so if your battery is fine, then how is the alternator? starter could be an issue here i think as well.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Amanita86]
#22079817 - 08/12/15 03:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Right now everything is untouched. Literally the only thing that has changed between when it would run and now is that the battery has been disconnected and charged and put back in. Everything else is exactly as we bought it. I just ordered the parts a couple hours ago.
Dunno how the alternator is. It started fine when we bought it so I didn't really see much reason to test it. Testing it is on my priority list as soon as I can get it running though.
Also for the record I have no reason to believe the ignition coils, spark plugs or wires are bad. I'm just replacing them because they are things people replace as part of general maintenance. I have no idea if or when they were ever replaced so I'm just doing it now. They're not that expensive, so not much reason not to.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
Edited by Shroomslip (08/12/15 03:19 AM)
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip] 2
#22079826 - 08/12/15 03:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is it out of gas?
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22079827 - 08/12/15 03:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alternators recharge your battery, so even if it was dead, your battery would still run everything until it died.
I'm not real up to date on the security system that would take effect if the battery is removed, but I'm thinking if something like that were to take effect it would be a total shut down, and your car wouldn't try and turn over. If it's trying to turn over, its not your starter.
In removing your battery, is there a chance you crossed wires and fucked up something there?.. do a fuse check. I'm thinking fuel delivery, or sparking problems.. air would be there I would think. I'd start looking into the spark or fuel delivery (you do have gas in the car right? )
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Quote:
Arctic W. Fox said: Is it out of gas?
Dude that's fucking twice tonight!! Get out of my head!!
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Amanita86] 1
#22079836 - 08/12/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Amanita86 said: Dude that's fucking twice tonight!! Get out of my head!! 
Sorry. It's just so roomy in here! lol
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Its the starter, plain and simple. If you try to start it and it clicks but doesnt turn over, its the starter. Could be the spark plugs, but its definitely the starter
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: JvF]
#22079842 - 08/12/15 03:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes there's gas in the car .
Fuses I plan to check tomorrow, it was getting late (and dark) when I finally went to start the car. No chance I crossed wires (once touched wrench to the negative terminal while loosening the positive, will never do that again and I make damn sure I don't). Positive cable did spark when I connected it to the battery. I've always understood this to be normal though.
I'm aware fuel pump could be the issue, although I find it kind of suspect that the car would offer no stalling or power loss issues at all, if it was going out. Would have to be a hell of a coincidence that it had a total failure right after we get it in the driveway and shut if off.Quote:
jfischer218 said: Its the starter, plain and simple. If you try to start it and it clicks but doesnt turn over, its the starter. Could be the spark plugs, but its definitely the starter
It turns over, freely. Literally sounds like every car you are starting, there is no perceivable low speed or anything (at least until the battery starts getting too dead to turn it over)
EDIT: And yeah I know alternators charge the battery, but something caused the battery to drain. Possible we drove it home on the battery and the alternator just wasn't charging it on the drive home. The only reason I want to check the alternator is because the battery was "dead" when I went to start it the next time. I mean if it's not a bad battery at least.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: JvF]
#22079843 - 08/12/15 03:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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They'll click like that if the battery is drained too.
Your check engine light didn't come on did it?
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Amanita86]
#22079845 - 08/12/15 03:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Been on before this problem. We had the current CEL's, which is why I was messing with the o2 and stuff to begin with. I have no idea if there is a new code.
The two codes we had before this issue was Warm up catalyst efficiency below normal and VTCS circuit input low. I've determined what the VTCS issues is already. I'm not sure what is causing the first one. Just going ahead and replacing the precat and o2 sensors.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
Edited by Shroomslip (08/12/15 03:35 AM)
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22079850 - 08/12/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: Been on before this problem. We had the current CEL's, which is why I was messing with the o2 and stuff to begin with. I have no idea if there is a new code.
The two codes we had before this issue was Warm up catalyst efficiency below normal and VTCS circuit input low. I've determined what the VTCS issues is already. I'm not sure what is causing the first one.
Well, it looks like the only variable is that battery coming out, and then going back in. Installing a battery shouldnt throw sparks, and with the computers they have on cars these days that could mean any number of things. It'll save you a lot of tail chasing to get it properly diagnosed and go from there.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Amanita86]
#22079856 - 08/12/15 03:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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At this moment I have nothing more to do than chase my tail.
It could very well be the coils/spark plugs/wires (it is literally not firing the cylinders). I'm mostly making this post to check other things it could be while I wait for that stuff to get here. If after I deal with that stuff, I still can't fix the issue, I plan to get it properly diagnosed. As of this moment there's no sense in spending money I may not have to though (like if I took it to a mechanic and they told me it was the ignition coil, it'd of been a total waste as I'm replacing that anyways).
So far I have bad battery (despite it checking out, it wouldn't be the first time Autozone has told me a battery was good when it wasn't and getting a new one solved everything) blown fuses, and fuel delivery to test for. I plan to test all of these tomorrow.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22079861 - 08/12/15 03:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ask them if you can borrow one of their diagnostic tools.. I don't know if they do that or not, but if you can talk them into it for a few hours you could see if it's throwing any new codes.
If you have time to spare you could pull a plug and turn your key to see if it sparks. That would cross that off the list atleast.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Amanita86]
#22079870 - 08/12/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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They don't loan those out, I've asked before. I really wish I had the money to drop on one (buying a 300 dollar tool is a bit different than 300 in car parts). Would make solving these types of issues so much easier. But I'd want a decent one that could do a bit more than just tell me the code. In almost all instances I can just drive to Autozone and have them tell me the code (which to my understanding is basically all the cheap ones are good for).
I know cars are becoming so complex they're almost a must, but there is still a way to test most things with basic technology. They're just often more difficult or time consuming.
I haven't even gotten around to testing the spark plugs yet or even pulled them. I have no idea what they're going to look like when I do pull them out. I know that's something that would be the obvious first, but as I said, I didn't discover this problem until it was getting too dark to really see much (working by flash light sucks).
We bought the car knowing there was a catalytic converter issue. After reading I learned there's usually a reason they fail and what those reason are. So before getting into all that, I wanted to test the o2 sensors first and make sure they weren't faulty and throwing a false code, and that's where I learned the car wouldn't start. I haven't gotten around to figuring out if the o2 sensor is faulty, and if not, why the cat failed. Spark plugs would be the first thing I checked if I determined the o2 wasn't wrong.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
Edited by Shroomslip (08/12/15 04:02 AM)
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22079900 - 08/12/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Check all fuses and relays, especially the ones that have to do with fuel delivery and ignition. Anti theft system issues are a likely culprit as well; do you have a spare key? If so, try that. Most cars this vintage check the key code when starting and there will be no ignition if the key isn't read correctly. Sometimes this has to do with bad contacts in the antenna in the steering column that read the key code, you may try to wiggle the key a bit to see if that helps. Otherwise, some diagnostics could help; if it's the anti theft system, it won't produce any particular error codes.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
#22079931 - 08/12/15 05:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can you elaborate on the key code thing? I've never heard of anything like this. Especially an "antenna" picking up on it.. . It's just a normal key as far as I know. Is there something in the plastic casing that sends a signal?
It's kind of a hailmary but it could explain the problem. I mean it doesn't make much sense to me really because I can't see how it's anything but plastic and metal BUT the key I've tried to start it with at all times, is not the key that it drove home on. The key it drove home on is a duplicate. The key I have is the original, but the plastic part has been melted or something. If that could somehow mess with things, then that could be the problem.
Key more or less looks like this

Minus the melting or whatever it is on the plastic.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
Edited by Shroomslip (08/12/15 05:03 AM)
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22079938 - 08/12/15 05:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Try the other key.
The anti theft protection thing is basically an rfid tag embedded into the plastic casing of the key and an antenna ring that is embedded in the contact in the steering column activates the tag and reads the code. The board computer checks this code against the one that's been programmed into the board computer to see if they match up. If they don't, the starter motor will turn just fine like you observed, but the board computer will refuse to supply fuel and ignite. This is more or less the universal approach across many brands for the past 15-20 years.
Coincidentally, my girlfriend has been having the exact same issue with a car she bought Monday. It'll start just fine on the spare key, but the car won't recognize the primary key and it does the same thing yours is doing: starter motor turns like a charm, but no ignition whatsoever.
So try the spare key. If it works, you can get an extra key from a dealership if you bring in the papers of the car. They can order one and have it programmed with the correct serial number (which is stored in the factory administration, so they don't even need the car itself to do the programming). I've done this in the past with a VW. The only thing required is a bit of paperwork to prove you didn't steal the car.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
#22079957 - 08/12/15 05:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If it's just the key I'm going to be so pissed 
I kinda doubt it will be, I'm never that lucky, but I will honestly be pissed.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22079976 - 08/12/15 05:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Come on, just admit it, you'd be glad
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
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Well I would but I'm still going to be highly pissed. I'm supposed to be car god over here, buying a cheap car and fixing it cheap and giving my wife a better car than I have (and leaps ahead of what she has now). Money is kinda tight and don't really have money to go pouring thousands into it (the whole reason we got it is because everything checked out, it was cheap, and the problems I knew it to have were easy/cheap to fix, her current car is literally falling apart and any day now it is going to officially kick the bucket) and then we go throwing this won't start shit into the mix and I become lost.
I'm not quite panicking yet, because there are things I already need to replace that could explain it. But I'd be lying if I said my heart didn't sink when I went to start it with a fully charged battery and it just turned over forever and wouldn't start, or even try to start. I have tackled a lot of car issues, have been fixing our cars for about 10 years now, but never this particular one. Usually when a car won't start for me, you can at least tell it's trying to fire up. This is literally just the starter motor endlessly turning the engine. I'm out of my depth.
I just want to make this one work. Right now she's driving a 95 grand marquis that has been neglected (not by us, it was an inheritance from my grandmother) to the point that it only ever saw service when it broke down and wouldn't run. It burns oil at about the rate it burns gas, you can't even get in the driver side door because the door panel has fallen off and been jerry rigged back on so many times it just doesn't work anymore. It revs up and down on it's own, it nearly stalls anytime it hasn't been run for awhile, the front/lower portion of the bumper is held on with rope, the windows are so shot that you basically have to push them up by hand anytime you shut the door... It's just gonna die any day. There is just so much wrong with it at this point, it just makes more financial sense to buy the car we did and fix it, rather than try to fix the other one.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22080021 - 08/12/15 06:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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koraks idea is sound. Try the other key before anything else.
Edit: Although according to this link, the key is a standard key.
http://www.1ablelocksmith.com/BLOG/?page_id=507
I'd try it anyway. Won't cost anything.
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If it's a standard key, the whole transponder thing obviously is irrelevant. But like luvdemshrooms says, just give it a try. Takes 2 minutes and you'll have eliminated another potential cause.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
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If it's not the key what would it be? Other than stuff listed. I can't help but get hung up on the whole battery thing. We had another car that did this, because of a security system we didn't have the keyfob for. I don't remember what I had to do to bypass it and get it running again (wish I did). It is literally the same symptoms as the other one. Disconnect the battery and the security goes into "you ain't goin no where, bitch" mode. I can't find a blinking light to indicate a security system, and Googled around about it, but it was of no help. Asked the prior owner and she didn't think it had one (although it was a chick and she didn't just have a friend or whoever work on it, so any time they had to disconnect the battery, they obviously had to fix that first). It's entirely possible I'm missing it. Tried to find the fuse for the security system in the fuse block, but didn't see it listed. Tried Googling schematics couldn't find anything.
Having dealt with so many beaters I just have this strong suspicion this is all somehow tied to the battery disconnect. There was 0 indication of starting/running issues before it was removed.
Right now my two best guesses (other than anti-theft/spark/ignition system) is bad battery or not getting fuel. Bad battery I can easily accept and it's a simple test, but the fuel one I have a hard time swallowing. Surely would have noticed something. Stalling, stuttering, hard idle, something. Had none. In fact it has a lot more pick up and go than I'd give a 4cylinder credit for usually. I had to take it easy on the throttle compared to my v6. It was very responsive.
Call it gut instinct, but something happened between the battery changes. I have a good feeling the alternator may be bad, but that would only explain how the battery was drained in the first place. Doesn't explain why it won't start on a full battery, unless the battery really isn't good.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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If you can run the starter motor for 20 seconds, the battery isn't bad. Simple as that.
One more potential cause is the fuel supply cutoff which is a safety mechanism that cuts off the fuel pump in case of a collision. It's activated by an acceleration sensor and it usually features a switch to reset it. The switch is beneath the driver's seat in many cars.
However, disconnecting the battery is unlikely to trip this mechanism. If anything, disconnecting the battery for a few minutes generally resets the error messages in the board computer and reverts it to factory settings, after which it will start to relearn itself based on sensor readings while driving. You usually don't notice anything about this, apart from weird electronics issues disappearing (for a while) after you've disconnected the battery for a couple of minutes.
Did you start the car with the primary/main key at all? And have you tried the spare one yet?
Oh, and if your battery has run empty once in the past (which you may or may not know given the car's history), it will likely not hold a charge well. Car batteries don't handle being drained very well. Once a battery starts to have issues (e.g. after the alternator has bugged out, even if it's been replaced after that), it usually needs replacement. You'll notice once winter comes and the cold weather kicks in
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
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No the key I've been using in all my testing is the melted one I mentioned. The only key that has started it, was the spare that my wife has (it's her car, she picked the key, why I got the original I have no idea).
As for the battery turning over the car, I've read that's not always a guarantee the battery is good. It may be enough to turn the motor but not enough get the car to start. I've also seen this in action. Whether that's bullshit and what I experienced was a fluke, I have no idea.
I plan to try and jump the car, IME that has a made a difference in the past on other cars. If jumping works, I can pretty much narrow it down to the battery. I'll try it with spare first (battery is too dead to start the car now after all the other attempts I made) and if it starts, then I'll try with my key. If the spare works and mine doesn't, I know it's the key.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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I am a real man. All I lack is the diagnostic systems that are ridiculously expensive. With the needed equipment I could tear a car down all the way and build it back up. Actually something I want to do one day. Though it wouldn't be this new BS with electrically controlled everything. It'd be a late 60's/early 70's muscle car.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Yeah if it turns too slowly, it won't start. But a bad battery will generally cop out pretty quickly after having a few tries starting the car. Before jump start it, try the other key please.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
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At this point all I can do is jump it. Battery is dead from tying all kinds of things and trying to start it. We're back to where it won't turn the engine over.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Idk what kind of advice you're getting here, but here's my quick 2 cents:
Cars need compression, fuel, air, and spark to start. 1. test your plugs for spark 2. push fuel directly into the airbox to test fuel. If it starts and dies, that's what you were missing 3. Compression is a bitch to test, good luck. 4. Air means some hose is disconnected somewhere. Look for anomolies under the hood 
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
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Tried jumping it with the key that drove it home, didn't help.
Didn't yet get around to testing any of the other stuff so far. Was up all night so I don't feel like messing with it today.
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Giftofdeprivation said: Idk what kind of advice you're getting here, but here's my quick 2 cents:
Cars need compression, fuel, air, and spark to start. 1. test your plugs for spark 2. push fuel directly into the airbox to test fuel. If it starts and dies, that's what you were missing 3. Compression is a bitch to test, good luck. 4. Air means some hose is disconnected somewhere. Look for anomolies under the hood 
Here's hoping you find/have found better advice!
 your injectors could be clogged. this happened to me with a 95 grand prix check to make sure all of your vacuum hoses are attached properly
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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I had a very similar problem with my old back up SUV for the winter months, a 1999 ford expedition with an aftermarket supercharger. I left the headlights on one night because I was rolling all night and was too tired to notice. So obviously the battery was dead and I charged it up. The truck would not fully start, it just made the noise it does right before the engine fully starts. There was a loud clicking sound coming from the fuse box as well, but nothing wrong with any fuses.
The battery tested fine, had a charge, but it still wasn't working. I bought a new battery just in case and it worked fine
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Change 02 sensor, change spark plugs, change battery. All of that is fairly cheap. If all else fails then take it to a mechanic.
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I happen to know my way around cars. The 3 things i mentioned are pretty common reasons why a car will have issues starting.
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Would an o2 sensor really stop the car from starting at all though? I know it could lead to hard starting, stalling and idling issues, but I'm not even getting a backfire or anything. I know one of the first things I need to look at when I get around to doing it, is if the car is even getting fuel. It's doing pretty much exactly what you'd expect if your gas tank and fuel lines were bone dry or something.
New o2 sensors are already on the way. Along with a new precat, VTCS solenoid, ignition coils and spark plug wires. Will be replacing the spark plugs with that stuff.
I don't think it's a vacuum system problem, I have removed pieces of it but only one at a time just to make absolutely sure I couldn't of got things mixed up. Left no room for error with it.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Did you check the timing belt? Could also be the engine fuse.
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Also does anyone know if it's normal for the temperature gauge to go to max when the key is turned to the on position? I don't really have much experience with this car so I don't know if that's normal or not. Doesn't do that in my Sonata. But I know gauges don't behave the same for all cars.Quote:
RanOutOfWeed said: Did you check the timing belt? Could also be the engine fuse.
No I haven't really gotten around to doing much yet. I only tried jumping it and testing with the key I know did work with it.
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Replace spark plugs and wires, replace fuel filter, pull a spark plug to make sure there is a spark just don't get shocked, put a fuel pressure gauge on it to make sure you have fuel pressure. Those are the first things I would try. Try using the other key also. Always start with the easiest things first. It could definitely be an ignition fuse or fuel pump fuse also.
It's not the battery, it's not the alternator, and forget about replacing of the battery. The situation now is that it has power and turns over but no ignition.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: Also does anyone know if it's normal for the temperature gauge to go to max when the key is turned to the on position? I don't really have much experience with this car so I don't know if that's normal or not. Doesn't do that in my Sonata. But I know gauges don't behave the same for all cars.Quote:
RanOutOfWeed said: Did you check the timing belt? Could also be the engine fuse.
No I haven't really gotten around to doing much yet. I only tried jumping it and testing with the key I know did work with it.
If the car isn't running then the temp is not at max, don't worry.
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Not worried about it, but if that's not normal it could be the issue. While looking around for things I should be looking at I came across a video of a mechanic showing a problem he'd never seen before. The temp sensor was reporting the engine was 14 degrees, when it was like 70 something degrees outside. It was doing the exact same thing mine is doing when he tried to start it up, after he replaced the temp sensor it started right up.
That's why I was asking.
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You either don't have spark or don't have fuel. Figure out what's wrong with one of those two systems. It could be no air also, but you almost definitely are getting airflow.
Fuel system consists of: fuel pump, fuel lines, fuel filter, fuel pressure regulator, and injectors.
Ignition system consists of: spark plugs, spark plug wires, coils, computer.
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Shroomslip said: Not worried about it, but if that's not normal it could be the issue. While looking around for things I should be looking at I came across a video of a mechanic showing a problem he'd never seen before. The temp sensor was reporting the engine was 14 degrees, when it was like 70 something degrees outside. It was doing the exact same thing mine is doing when he tried to start it up, after he replaced the temp sensor it started right up.
That's why I was asking.
I see. I guess that's possible but it's most likely something simple and common. Since you already ordered the plugs and wires just replace those and see if that fixes it. Also try the other key since that's like a 5 second test.
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Short of computer, the ignition system is going to be replaced whether it's bad or not, just won't have the stuff for about a week. I plan to check on the fuel system.
Already tested the other key, didn't change anything.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Awesome, let us know what it ends up being. For the computer you would just need to get it scanned to see if any codes come up, which will be hard to do if you can't drive it to auto zone. That would tell you of any problems with the O2 or any other sensors.
And if you find out something from the ignition system was bad then you can count on your O2 sensors being bad and or your catalytic converter being clogged. That happens due to raw unburned fuel going through the exhaust.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Things to check:
1. Sometimes battery cables have a smaller wire also on the positive side. Is it possible that this came off when you removed and/or replaced battery? look for unconnected wire.
2. Since putting the battery back in, have you disconnected cables and reconnected? If you were too wonky putting the thing in, you may have glitched the computer and it needs reset again.
3. Try turning it over holding down full throttle the whole time. The computer resets to a "it'll run, but not well" status when the battery is disconnected. It adjusts after it starts. Sometimes, a full throttle start will get it going.
4. Check all fuses, particularly anything that says PCM, ECU, or any three capital letters, really.
5. It's not an oxygen sensor. The car will start with a failed sensor. it won't run well, but it'll start. Besides, the oxy sensor doesn't even work when it's cold, so when it's working normal, it's doing nothing at startup.
6. A cat can cause this, but only if it's clogged. It is highly unlikely that the cat became clogged while the car was sitting for a day.
7. Autozone does have loaner code readers. You have to pay for them, but they refund your money when you bring it back.
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Yeah that's why I ordered the ignition stuff already. Cat is most likely bad (with a slim chance it was just the o2 sensor throwing false readings) which the most likely culprit that I've read would be fouled spark plugs and unburnt fuel. I know there are other things as well though.
I also have a post over at a Mazda forum, but things are very slow there. Though someone with experience with the car did just let me know that it's not normal for this car to have the temp sensor max out just from the key being turned to the on position. So I'll have to look into that as well.
I'll be sure to update once I find the problem, just out of principle alone. So many people ask questions about cars on forums and get ideas to check and just never return to let anyone know what happened, kinda frustrating searching through tons of dead ends with no real answers on what fixed the problem.Quote:
Enlil said: Things to check:
1. Sometimes battery cables have a smaller wire also on the positive side. Is it possible that this came off when you removed and/or replaced battery? look for unconnected wire.
2. Since putting the battery back in, have you disconnected cables and reconnected? If you were too wonky putting the thing in, you may have glitched the computer and it needs reset again.
3. Try turning it over holding down full throttle the whole time. The computer resets to a "it'll run, but not well" status when the battery is disconnected. It adjusts after it starts. Sometimes, a full throttle start will get it going.
4. Check all fuses, particularly anything that says PCM, ECU, or any three capital letters, really.
5. It's not an oxygen sensor. The car will start with a failed sensor. it won't run well, but it'll start. Besides, the oxy sensor doesn't even work when it's cold, so when it's working normal, it's doing nothing at startup.
6. A cat can cause this, but only if it's clogged. It is highly unlikely that the cat became clogged while the car was sitting for a day.
7. Autozone does have loaner code readers. You have to pay for them, but they refund your money when you bring it back.
I didn't notice a second wire, but I'll check for it. No I haven't disconnected and reconnected the battery, didn't occur to me but I'll give it a shot. Yes I have tried different throttle techniques while trying to start it. I've held it full on, I've pumped it, I've held it at varying degrees. I've asked them before, maybe mine just doesn't but I'll ask again if I have to. Has been a few years.
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I know the battery tested good, but I would get a new one to eliminate that as a problem altogether, and if it still wont start return the battery. You could be chasing your tail around forever.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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well if the battery was low 10v(not charging)
and both your battery and alternator are fine (have been checked) ... you still need to charge your battery to get anywhere
but, you still have a charging problem so you should check the ground strap from the alternator to the body.
so if:
battery has been charged to full.
and the voltage at the starter is the same as the voltage at the batter (if not bad cable).
and if the alternator with the car off has an open circuit with the body (if not the ground strap is bad).
then if its turning over but not starting, try starting fluid.
if it starts with starting fluid but not otherwise, then its probably a fuel system issue. (fuel pump is the natural guess) but it could be a fuse or a relay. the fuel pump should make a whir sound when you put the key in and turn to start (before you crank it)... if you hear that but still suspect that its fuel related it may be a fuel filter...(also some people never hear that sound even if you are pointing it out to them while it is happening)
if it doesnt start with starting fluid its probably a tuneup item. (plugs/wires/button/cap/coil/etc).
all that said it of course could still be a anti-theft system thing but there should be an indicator somewhere (blinking red light).
it seems like one of those things that would be easier if i was sitting in the car and listening.
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It's just the fact that the battery is the only thing that was altered since it ran right. Trying a new battery would eliminate it as a problem.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
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I turned it over for 20-30 seconds multiple times (didn't wanna burn out the starter) before it even started to slow down any. I've also never had a car with a bad battery that couldn't be jumped and running at least while the jumper cables were still attached. If I do get a new battery it'd be as a hail mary after I've verified all other probable causes are not the issue (fuses, ignition system, fuel system).
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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The amount of power it takes to run the ignition system is miniscule compared to what it takes to turn the engine over. If it's turning over well, the battery is enough to start it. Alternator isn't even a concern at this point. It might be bad, but that's not making the car not start.
The starting fluid idea is a good one, though. If it tries to start with starting fluid, it's a fuel issue. That fuel issue could still be PCM/electrical related, but that narrows it down some.
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But if you start changing other things you might be messing it up in another fashion and not even know it. What are the chances your fuel system, fuses, or ignition went bad as a result of you taking the battery out. All those things were fine before you took out the battery. The only thing you messed with is the battery since it stopped running.
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Astral Pain said: It's just the fact that the battery is the only thing that was altered since it ran right. Trying a new battery would eliminate it as a problem.
and as enlil pointed out it may have been a wire that didnt get replaced (either positive or ground) sometimes little ones hide... or it could be bad battery cables which are pretty hard to diagnose sometimes.
but the fact that its cranking that hard makes me think that the battery circuit to the starter is ok... so if its going to be some small cable that didnt go back on, its PROBABLY a positive cable.
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Astral Pain said: But if you start changing other things you might be messing it up in another fashion and not even know it. What are the chances your fuel system, fuses, or ignition went bad as a result of you taking the battery out. All those things were fine before you took out the battery. The only thing you messed with is the battery since it stopped running.
I agree it's highly suspect, but I'm not ready to just run out and drop another 100 on something I don't even truly believe to be the issue. I'd like to eliminate other things (that are free or things that I'm doing regardless of what the issue is) before doing something like that.
I mentioned earlier this isn't the first time we've had an issue like this with a car. The first time around it was a 95 Taurus. Same exact problem, battery ended up dead, removed it to go have it charged/inspected, returned it and suddenly the car wouldn't start. I can't remember what the problem was, but I know in the end it wasn't the battery. We never bought a new battery for that car.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
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how old is the car? my first thought is a weak ignition coil. thank goodness that is replaceable easily. did the vehicle act up after it rained or in cold temps? do you have poor acceleration? my thoughts are to replace the spark plugs, spark plug wires, and ignition coil. you should see a total revamp of this car's performance. Let us know after you install and take for a test drive.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: encryptor]
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No indication any of it was bad on the test drive or the drive home. No stalling, weird revving or anything. I actually anticipated it would run rougher than it did. It's a 2002. There was no rain, when I went to inspect the car the engine was cold. Made sure to check for that, if for no other reason than we were told up front the catalytic converter may need to be replaced and I needed to bang on it to see if I could hear rattling, though that was before I had the codes and found it was the pre-cat that was likely bad.
All of that is already planned to be replaced, just won't get the stuff for a week.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083416 - 08/12/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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fuel system bro. the fuel system is clogged somewhere or the pump isn't working. was the car sitting around for a while with no gas in the tank before you test drove it?
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: ballsalsa]
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Sitting around, yes, but no gas in the tank I don't actually know. I kinda doubt it. It had about 1/2 or so of a tank. More than an average gas can would put in it.
Also the test drive and the drive home were on separate days. We went to look at it and decide if we were even interested and then got the money together and made the deal the next day. So it's started cold and gave no indication of any issue, twice so far.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083454 - 08/12/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If the cat or the precat are the problem, you can just disconnect the exhaust at the precat inlet and it'll start. It'll be loud, though, and you can't run it like that. Still, it'll tell you if that's the problem.
It's not likely to be a cat though if you drove it, replaced battery, and it didn't start.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083556 - 08/12/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rusty old gas tank, sitting around half empty for awhile rusting more. then you drive it a couple times and stir up all the rusty shit. bam cloggo.
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#22083617 - 08/12/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man let's back up here people.. Fuel air or spark.. Just need to find out which one. That code will not stop the vehicle from starting a bad cat would have had performance issues when it did run..
Remove the air filter attempt to start vehicle Grab brake clean spray it in the manifold attempt to start Remove a coil hook it to a screwdriver on a ground and have somebody start the vehicle while look for well spark..
That's how you go about diagnosing your no start dude
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
#22083672 - 08/12/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wouldn't troubleshoot with these other suggestions until you do your tune-up with spark plugs, wires, and ignition coil. if you still have a problem try rackem's suggestion.
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#22083680 - 08/12/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is this how you guys fix cars? Spend money then diagnose?
That is a piss poor way of going about it.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
#22083686 - 08/12/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just change everything, and if it doesn't start, change whatever's broke.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
#22083687 - 08/12/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The majority of parts are incredibly cheap. Spark plugs, o2 sensors....below 20 bucks..and why not replace these things seeing as the previous owner probably didn't.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
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I dunno about anyone else but I'm not spending money and then diagnosing. I'm replacing the ignition system as part of general maintenance/tune-up. It could be one of the problems. But whether it was or wasn't, I had already planned to replace it before the car would never start. o2 sensors as well. It's a high mileage car. I don't know if any of this stuff has ever been replaced. The only thing I'm replacing blindly is the cat, but I have error codes for it. It's also only 150 and if I get everything broken down and find out the cat on it now is clean, I can always return it. Ideally I wanted to test and make sure the cat was a problem first, but I'm working in a limited time window. When I lost the ability to test for it, I decided to just go ahead and order it since error codes are suggesting it could be bad. Was also told it needed to be replaced before we bought the car.
As for waiting for the stuff I've ordered to get here before worrying about diagnosing other problems, I don't see the point really. I have nothing but time at the moment anyways. I know it could be more than one thing, but anything I can absolutely rule out now, is something I don't have to worry about ruling out later.
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Call me crazy but I would actually diagnose it first. KNOW EXACTLY what is wrong with the vehicle. Repair it so I can drive it then go to maintenane . maintenance on a non running car is like having a gun without ammo. Its worthless.
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I don't know what year you're living in, but spark plugs and o2 sensors are going to cost more than $20 bucks. Also, the protege has individual coils on each plug. There are no plug wires in any sort of conventional sense.
Practically speaking, this means that unless the crank position sensor is out, all it takes is the pcm to make ignition work. The car would try to start even if two coils or plugs weren't working.
As far as fuel, same basic deal...no pressure at all to the rail would cause it to not start, but a bad injector or two wouldn't. Again...PCM controls injectors.
The PCM is likely not functioning either because it's bad, it's in some security mode, it's not getting input from crank position sensor, or it's getting no power.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083726 - 08/12/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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you can probably sell the old cat to a scrapyard or someone right outside the scrapyard for close to $150
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
#22083729 - 08/12/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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maybe he hooked the battery up backwards at some point in all this and fried the PCM or the main fuse
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
#22083731 - 08/12/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Funny mate, cuz i just bought both those parts together for around 40 dollars brand new
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: ballsalsa]
#22083733 - 08/12/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's easy enough to check. If the check engine light comes on when the key is first turned to the on position, the PCM is getting power and functioning...functioning properly is another question.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083744 - 08/12/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Didn't hook it up backwards, didn't short it at the terminals either. Didn't play or fiddle with it, took it out, brought it back, installed it, and no start. The terminals are still connected exactly as I installed them when I brought the battery back and I have double checked, they are hooked up correctly. I have some more things to look at tomorrow surrounding the battery reinstall though.
For the record, the o2 sensors were 25, and so were the ignition coils (2 each). There is also 2 plug wires, which was 15 a set for higher end ones (cheaper ones were like 10).
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
#22083752 - 08/12/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree 100% with rackem. I usually don't do diagnostic stuff on my own, because it requires pretty advanced knowledge in the way the systems all work together. Ignition is pretty simple and like rackem said, but worse case, take it to a mechanic for a $50 diagnostic, then either research how to fix what he suggests, join a forum on the make of your car, or make some mechanic friends. Through this process, I've been able to bugger with/understand my entire brake system, some drive-line, and the entire serpentine system. On my old bike: head/valves, exhaust, electrical, and carbs.
Everything's on youtube these days.
Oh, my cats and O2 sensors are all fucked, on my pre-2000 car and everything runs great (got a waiver on my emissions).
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That's pretty much my plan if I can't figure it out on my own. There are some things out of my scope and if it is something that is I'll have let them do it, but I plan to see if I can fix this on my own, and if I can't take it to a shop and let them figure it out. Then determine if it's something I can fix. I'm not an expert on cars, but I have been repairing ours for about 10 years now. I can do the vast majority of the usual culprits.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083776 - 08/12/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude if you already have a meter.. You can fix this.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083786 - 08/12/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You mean ODBII scanner? Don't. The only "specialty" diagnostic equipment I have is a multimeter and a vacuum pump. The rest of my tools are all just sockets, wrenches and the like.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083813 - 08/12/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nah I meant a multimeter Code scanners are easy to come by
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
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Yep have one. What is your suggestion to test and what should I look for? I've got a long list of stuff to check out tomorrow. I'm basically going to have to go back through this thread and write it all down and make a check list.
I did one of the things when my wife got home. I cannot hear a fuel pump priming when the key is turned to on (and not even when it's turned to start I had her do that one just in case). Though it was mentioned that some people can't hear it even when it's pointed out to them, so I'm not taking that as definitive proof.
As control I just went outside and listened for a pump on my Sonata, which I did hear, plainly.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
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Remove the air filter attempt to start vehicle Grab brake clean spray it in the manifold attempt to start Remove a coil hook it to a screwdriver on a ground and have somebody start the vehicle while look for well spark..
That's how you go about diagnosing your no start dude
That is the technician industry gold standard for diagnosing a crank no start
If the car starts after you remove the air filer its an air problem
If it starts after you hit it with brake clean or ether you have a fuel issue
If you don't see spark when you test the coils you sir have an electrical issue
Once you get that down you can go from there
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Well I got that much I meant with the multimeter, you brought it up so figured you had some other kind of test in mind or something.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083922 - 08/12/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just think its an electrical issue is all.. But its tough to get a feel over the interwebs
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083995 - 08/12/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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sounds like what my car had recently. Turns over on start but wont fire up.
I found out it was my fuel pump. It died.
get a manual from an auto store for your car first.
Try unloosening the nut on the fuel line between the fuel filter and the fuel pump. Turn the key to start and make sure fuel is shooting out.
If it is shooting out, its not the pump. Could be a bad fuel filter.
If there is no fuel coming out on the start or on position, then the fuel pump needs to be changed.
Start there, see what happens, then move on to testing the spark plugs for power.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083999 - 08/12/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey shroom, I kind of quick read these last two pages but..
My mind keeps going back to the sparks you saw when installing the battery. That combined with the "one day it starts, the next it doesn't nature of it makes me think something could have gotten fried. Whatever the case something happened, 'immediately' which cancels out any normal wear and tear, type of thing..usually.
I think you need to reset your OBD and turn it over again, and then see what codes it throws up. All this other shit is just guesstimations..
Reset everything, turn the key a few times.. just 7-10 second cycles, and then re-diagnose. It may tell you what you need to know.
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Can you hear the fuel pump hum for a few seconds when you click the key to it's prefire spot? That combined with pulling a plug to see if it sparks would cancel out some things.. much beyond that I'd just look for those codes. I can't really think of much else to tell you past that.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Amanita86]
#22084018 - 08/12/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hit the starter with a hammer. might take a few times and it might take another person turning the key while you tap it. if it starts up then is your problem.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: sprinkles]
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does it crank but not turn over? or not even crank?
I bet you money its the starter going out. smack that bitch a few times.
you dont even need to replace it right away. I turned mine over for months with a hammer, then one day it finally kicked the bucket. Lol. its a stick though so it push starts.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
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Yeah I know. Diagnosing complicated equipment (cars or computers or anything along those lines) is always inherently difficult without actually being able to be there and see it for yourself. I wish I had more auto-knowledgeable people in my life but I don't. I'm pretty much on my own (hell most people I know or wife knows who have car issues turn to ME for some idea of what's going on). I'm not afraid to admit I'm basically just an amateur. Especially with newer cars. There is just so much shit to go wrong. All in the name of fuel economy and emission control mostly. A 60's 70's or even 80's car is not that big of a deal to work on.
I started out on an early 80's Oldsmobile. Never worked on a car in my life. I bought some tools, and a Haynes repair manual and set to work. I made a lot of progress trying to fight with that car, but it had been sitting for years. It was literally one thing after another. I don't view it as a failure though. Having to just dive in and get a crash course taught me a LOT about cars and how they work. If I hadn't done that, I'd be as clueless as Paris Hilton when it came to trying to fix any car beyond that point. We dropped a good chunk of money into trying to fix that lost cause and get it road worthy, but it wasn't really money wasted. There is literally no doubt I have saved 2-3x as much in labor costs by having the understanding I gained from that experience.
The sparks on the battery I seem to always get regardless of what car I'm working on. It's not some huge electrical discharge, even striking a piece of flint is far brighter. But whether I go positive > negative or negative > positive, I always seem to have minimal spark. I've pretty much just came to accept this as normal. Because no matter what car it's on, or the order I hook things up, it happens.
And yes one of the plans for tomorrow is to reset the OBD.
And no I do not hear a fuel pump. I even double checked on my Sonata, I can very clearly hear it. I had wife cycle it a few times on the Mazda and I didn't hear a single thing.
Hopefully (if I can sleep tonight and it isn't like 120 degrees out tomorrow) I can go do all the simple tests that have been suggested thus far and try to rule some things out and paint a better picture. I know it may seem like I'm ignoring what people are saying, but I'm not. I just simply can't go do shit this right now. I planned to do ti today, but I didn't even up going to sleep until like 1:30 pm. After waking up at 5, I just didn't feel like fucking with it. I did a couple simple tests, like trying to jump it and trying with the key we know works, and listened to the fuel pump to see if I could hear anything, but beyond that, I just didn't have the energy to do much more on it.
I'll have some more answers tomorrow. I will do all the tests I can that have been suggested, so at least everyone has a more clear picture to go on.Quote:
sprinkles said: does it crank but not turn over? or not even crank?
I bet you money its the starter going out. smack that bitch a few times.
you dont even need to replace it right away. I turned mine over for months with a hammer, then one day it finally kicked the bucket. Lol. its a stick though so it push starts.
Cranks exactly as it should. Imagine you bought a brand new car, and it had never seen a drop of gasoline. That is what we're dealing with. The engine is fully turning over, freely, and for extended periods. Seems to me that ignition is just not taking place. Whether that is fuel, electrical or air related, I need to determine.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Don't worry about the sparks man its normal.
I'll be sure to check back in tomorrow see what the results are
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
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my subaru had that issue. I paid a mobile mechanic to come look at it. he wound up cutting the cat off because he thought it was clogged. Then when that didnt work I told him no more, gtfo i'll figure it out myself. And I did. It was the knock sensor. The saw the top of it had a small split. When it took it out the bottom was broken in half. Replaced that and the car ran fine.
There's cam, crank, knock, oxygen and more dumb sensor things. Get a bright flashlight and check those for splits, cracks or if they may be loose. You can tap the block with a hammer i guess to diagnose a if its a knock sensor. The engine RPM will change. I'd just look at em.... Heat from the engine will degrade the rubber over time and they split. just a thought. im done now.. good luck and stuff or whateve.r
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"And no I do not hear a fuel pump. I even double checked on my Sonata, I can very clearly hear it. I had wife cycle it a few times on the Mazda and I didn't hear a single thing."
That could be your thing right there,... hey man go through all your fuses, even ones that look intact upon further review you'll see a fault sometimes.. that would make perfect sense here if it's turning and turning but not getting that fuel.. I've not been in every car under the sun but usually that 4-5 second fuel pump hum is pretty noticeable in most of the ones I've driven once you know to hear for it.. another avenue for you to pursue you know.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: If the cat or the precat are the problem, you can just disconnect the exhaust at the precat inlet and it'll start. It'll be loud, though, and you can't run it like that. Still, it'll tell you if that's the problem.
It's not likely to be a cat though if you drove it, replaced battery, and it didn't start.
this, unless its one of the little motors that require proper backpressure to run at all...
in which case it will start and die. (fucking engineers)-(he says even tho his day involves quite a bit of being an engineer today)
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Amanita86]
#22086146 - 08/13/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree.
If u cannot hear a hum when u turn the key to "ON" (not start), then the fuel pump is not priming.
When u turn your key to "on", the fuel pump primes the gas line for the engine to use. Every car does this.
Neext time, have your wife turn your key to "on" and listen right near the gas tank. U should hear a electrical humming/buzzing sound. Thats the fuel pump priming.
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No just barely woke up like a half hour ago. Probably won't get around to it til a little later when it's not 7 million degrees outside.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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maybe its time for a big, dark-colored umbrella and lots of ice water bottles
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The umbrella wouldn't really help. It's Houston, you can't hide from the heat by just being in shade.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Fuel system somewhere. Didn't get into a lot of testing because we had to get the car turned around so it was easier to jump, which meant pushing it up hill and through grass and stuff which was ridiculous.. Completely drained me of energy. Was raining here until just a little bit ago too.
Anyways, I undid the battery again, did what I read resets the ECM/PCM or whatever you wanna call it, and reconnected it. Then made sure to follow procedure that wouldn't lock me out (when I put the battery in I had the door unlocked already, this time I made sure it was locked and unlocked it after the battery was connected, just in case) No stray wires anywhere I could see. Tried starting it up, still same problem. Removed airbox tried starting, same problem. Sprayed in starter fluid, and it tried to start. I still don't hear a fuel pump and I looked in the fuse box in the engine compartment but didn't see anything there related to the fuel system (going by the diagram on the lid to the fuse box) so I'm going to need to look at some fuse diagrams and figure out which ones to check.
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I would replaces all the fuses. It's a pain in the ass to get a checker and check all of them. 5$ fix and you can eliminate that as a prob
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i need your fuse connection $5 for a set of fuses.
protip tho, if you have the kind of junkyard where you pull your own parts pay $1 to get in the yard or whatever they charge and fill your pockets with fuses and relays
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Yeah I'm not just gonna go out and buy all new fuses. I can test them. Takes just a few seconds longer than it would to pull them out and flat out replace them.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
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rxb said: i need your fuse connection $5 for a set of fuses.
protip tho, if you have the kind of junkyard where you pull your own parts pay $1 to get in the yard or whatever they charge and fill your pockets with fuses and relays
Beat me to the punch. Sometimes junkyards will have an 'all you can carry' sale and I've beaten that game by cutting a roof liner out and using it as a bag like santa clause... thems the rules mang
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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If u put starter fluid in the intake and tried to start up, then its definitely the fuel pump.
Check for a fuse box in both the glovebox, under the steering wheel, and under the hood. Cars usually have two fuse boxes, one for relaying and one for direct power.
If u havent already, get a repair manual from the auto store. It likely has fuse laayouts specifically for your car.
And if its the fuel pump thats bad, it will tell u how to remove it.
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Well generally I do, but I read that Haynes neglected to make one for our car. I've been using this: http://www.mazdaspd.com/manuals.html#ENG
I've already looked up a video of someone replacing the fuel pump on my car, because I wanted to know how bad it was going to be. Hope I don't go and find something different, but we apparently have access to it through the floor panel. So it's really just a matter of like 8 screws and lifting the whole fuel sending unit out, no need to drop the tank or anything. (REALLY hope this is the case).
I know there is more than one fuse panel, but I'll need a diagram. I only started to check the one in the engine compartment because it was right there and the diagram was right there. It was getting late by the time I found out it tried to start with starter fluid.
Whatever the reason for it, I highly suspect this isn't a case of restricted lines/filters and is actually just the fuel pump not sending fuel at all. So I'm gonna focus on seeing if I can figure out why. But like Enlil mentioned earlier, it may not be fuses or even the pump itself. It could be some error with the PCM. I would think if that was the problem, then the PCM would be refusing to send power to the pump, so if I determine it's not a fuse issue, I'm gonna check the connector to see if it's getting voltage to the fuel sending unit.
The thing that bugs me the most about this is it started just fine on 2 separate days, and then suddenly as soon as the battery is disconnected, there's a problem. Just feel that has to be strongly related to what is going on somehow (it'd be a huge coincidence otherwise, which isn't impossible, but is kind of improbable) but I can't determine why or how. I know for a fact I never crossed the wires or shorted anything out.
Pointless but funny edit: I called Enlil "Burke" and didn't catch it til the next day
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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sounds like you know what youre doing 
I hear u on the coincidence.
My fuel pump starting acting up *right* after some punk ass kid robbed my car and took my amp/sub. I was convinced he put sugar in my tank or pissed in it or something.
Turns out, it was just a coincidence, no sugar or sabotage to the tank.
Glad your fuel pump is easy to get to. Get that voltage meter on that pump connector when the key is ON and see what happens....
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Also, to test the fuel pump, just dunk it into a bucket of fuel and hook it up to 12v and see if it pumps. Of course be very very cautious not to make any sparks! Better connect it to 12v first and make sure the connection is good, then dunk it.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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If you sprayed starter fluid in the manifold properly and it still didn't start it is not a fuel pump issue..
And some of you give really horrible advice when it comes to repairing vehicles.. My suggestion is stop giving advice if you have zero idea what you are talking about
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
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I'll gladly stand corrected if I say something stupid, feel free to point out where I go wrong and what a better approach would be. I think that is more useful to everyone than being so unspecific.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
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rackem said: If you sprayed starter fluid in the manifold properly and it still didn't start it is not a fuel pump issue..
I think you misread him. He said that with the starter fluid, it "tried to start". That is a definite improvement over what he had before. It also suggests that compression and spark are there.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
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koraks said: I'll gladly stand corrected if I say something stupid, feel free to point out where I go wrong and what a better approach would be. I think that is more useful to everyone than being so unspecific.
I don't know if he was talking about you, but I will say that dunking a fuel pump won't necessarily tell him if it's bad. This is an injected car, so pressures need to be high. A pump will often pump with no resistance, but fail to provide pressure sufficient to make injectors work.
He can check pressure from the rail bleeder, but I doubt he's got the tools.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
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Good point Enlil. I've heard of people testing how far the pump will jet a stream of fuel to estimate it's effectiveness, but it doesn't sound accurate to me and quite messy too.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
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now you have to find out if the pump is in the tank (which is likely on small to mid sized cars)...
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
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i'm telling you, that car was sitting too long with the gas tank rusting down.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: ballsalsa]
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i cant remember what year he said it was, you may be right... i have a trick for that, but we have to see first.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
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if the fuel pump is outside of the tank, and if your car is 20+ years old or you just SUSPECT Its rusting, then i'll tell you how to make a trap/prefilter for most of the rust (or you can just change the fuel filter more often which is waaay EASIER but more costly).
if the fuel pump is in the tank, then while you have the tank dropped and empty, if you see rust we want to kill it for 20 bux and have it never come back, instead of killing your fuel system over and over and over.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
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The car is a 2002. It's unlikely that it's a rust issue.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
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uhm, yeah...probably not a rusty tank
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Rust inside a full tank of a 2002 car? Doesn't sound likely. Gunkified fuel perhaps, if the car has sat still for a long time. But since it has run just fine this week on two separate occasions, it's not the first direction I'd search in.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
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half full tank, and nobody actually knows how long it was sitting for. Probably had a tank full of varnish
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: ballsalsa]
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can happen, its possible, i dunno... but fuel pumps go and its about the right time for a fuel pump to go in fact. you may be right but in a 2002 the odds are low enough that if the pump is outside of the tank i wouldnt personally look because fuck dropping a tank if you dont have to.
some (asian designed) cars let you get to the tank from under the back seat... which i find to be 1) very user friendly and 2) very creepy not that its going to vent that way (its really not) but because it feels like it will.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
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French cars have that design feature as well. It's very convenient. Never noticed a particular fuel smell in contemporary french cars. Only garlic.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
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yeah... but.... well yeah....
but...uhm i mean i know but.... yeah.
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Okay so I can't find any mention of a fuel pump (or any kind of fuel system) fuse anywhere. Only thing that's ever talked about is the fuel relay.
So I started messing around with the relay to figure out if it's bad or not, still kind of undetermined. It is not clicking, for sure. Check to see if it's getting power, and to the best of my knowledge I'm only getting .3 volts. Gonna double check later. There are 4 slots and I'm not sure which 2 are the power and ground for sure. So gonna try all the combos I can just to be sure.
Either the relay is bad or I just haven't hooked into the 2 correct connections yet and the problem is somewhere further up the line. When it's not quite so hot out I guess I'll go ahead and pull every fuse and check since I can't seem to find any one that is related to the fuel system. (Would it for sure have a fuse AND a relay?)
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easier to just ask (and im sure its in here somewhere already)...
year make model?
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2002 mazda protege5
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http://repairpal.com/crank-but-no-start-condition-151
Mazda Protege Problem 22 Reports
Model Years Affected: 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003
Engines Affected: 1.5L 4 Cylinder, 1.6L 4 Cylinder, 1.8L 4 Cylinder
Average Mileage: 139,209 mi (49,000 mi - 201,207 mi) Verified
If the engine cranks but does not start, and diagnosis shows no fuel pressure, the fuel pump relay is frequently the problem. If the fuel pump relay is defective, the fuel pump will not energize and therefore, not generate fuel pressure so the engine can run.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: ballsalsa]
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Mine is a 2.0 liter, although I think the information you quoted may not be entirely accurate, as far as I know, 2002 protege only has a 2.0 liter. So if 2002 protege is listed, a 2.0 liter engine would have to be as well.
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rxb said: just the relay
I wanted to do this test to check the relay itself, but cannot find the diagram to know what to attach where and I don't want to just go guessing and fuck something up.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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i'll try to look in a bit see if i cant find you some clearer videos
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Well my relay is a lot different than the one in that video.

That's my fuel pump relay (not "mine" but the same relay).
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Also doing some preliminary reading now that I have a more accurate picture of what's going on, things are starting to point towards the Crankshaft or Camshaft Position Sensor. To the best of my knowledge right now, the relay is not being switched on because juice is not being fed to it in the first place.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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The relay should be turned on when the key is initially turned on. Normally, the pump has to run before the engine starts turning. I don't think the crank position sensor has anything to do with it.
You're getting spark, so you know the position sensor is working.
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It's just what I read while reading up on people with very similar problems on the same engine (before all I had to go on was no start). I could've misread or be remembering wrong though. I've been going through tons of different pages trying to figure this out.
This is one of the pages I came across though : http://www.airtexproducts.com/news-the-crankshaft-position-sensor-and-how-it-affects-the-fuel-delivery-system
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
#22091930 - 08/14/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Agree with Enlil. The pump usually just runs all the time, pumping fuel around the fuel gllery to which the injectors are connected.
If you want to pursue the crankshaft sensor, you could try wiggling the lead on the sensor a bit. Sometimes the connector is partly oxidized or a bit loose. But it doesn't sound like the most likely issue to me.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22092442 - 08/14/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Problem solved. Yes it was very simple in the end and I knew it had to have something to do with connecting the battery back up, was just too big of a coincidence. Had never gotten around to checking the fuses yet. In retrospect should've and will do that first in the future. But I learned more about cars through this thread (and ordeal). So it's not a total loss. I also became more acquainted with the layout of this car.
Turned out to be a little tiny fuse in the passenger compartment. Was just called "Engine". Was literally the last fuse I checked too (didn't look at the diagram until I discovered one that was blown).
Would've probably checked a lot sooner but sitting in a stationary car in this heat is pretty much just unbearable. Meant to do it yesterday but ran out of daylight.
I'm just glad this shit is fixed. Now everyone can commence to ragging on me for doing everything but checking the fuses.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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glad it was a cheap fix.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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I thought you checked the all the fuses 4 pages back. Thank god it's over. I wanted to strangle you.
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Nah not all of them. I checked the ones in the engine compartment which all looked fine. Today I went through testing every single fuse with a multimeter and eventually one just read as open circuit and looked on the little panel thing to see if it said what it was for and it said engine. I was too happy that I'd likely found the problem to face palm myself for not checking those as well.
And the layout of the interior fuse panel is total bullshit. Whoever designed that shit should be shot. Like half the panel is covered by interior molding or whatever it's called. It's almost impossible to even get a fuse puller latched onto the fuse, much less your fingers. And putting it back in is dicey as hell. It can drop right down into the molding. Something did drop while I was testing them, but I have no idea what. According to the diagram all the fuses are in their correct places.
Now I get to deal with the two error codes I had originally and the tune-up.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22092506 - 08/14/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's a good thing to know your car batter now. Got that out of the way.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22092509 - 08/14/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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for your education.... you can look at that bad fuse and see how to see they are bad....
you can see that a bad fuse has a broken connection in the middle.
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Well I know how they go bad, that's how I judged all the ones in the engine compartment to make sure they weren't bad. I just didn't want there to be some weird ass unseen issue or to leave it to random chance or anything so decided to test every last one with a multimeter and make sure there was no (or virtually no) resistance. Today was the first time I looked at the fuses in the passenger compartment. By the time I got to the engine one, I wasn't even looking at them anymore, I was just connecting the leads and watching ohms and finally one wasn't working right and looked at it, it was clearly blown, and then looked what it was for.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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i mean you can visually check them you dont need a multimeter
let me see if i can find you a picture.
http://chevythunder.com/ATO%20fuse%20conditions.jpg
under the colored plastic there will be a break in the circuit on a bad fuse
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Yeah I know, but didn't want to leave any room for error. Didn't want some freak occurrence or me missing something. Doesn't really take any more time to put them on a multimeter than to look, not for me anyways. They're all the same size so you can just hold the leads in the same position in one hand and pull with the other.
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Dont forget to check the "Engine" fuse!
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: Problem solved. Yes it was very simple in the end and I knew it had to have something to do with connecting the battery back up, was just too big of a coincidence. Had never gotten around to checking the fuses yet. In retrospect should've and will do that first in the future. But I learned more about cars through this thread (and ordeal). So it's not a total loss. I also became more acquainted with the layout of this car.
Turned out to be a little tiny fuse in the passenger compartment. Was just called "Engine". Was literally the last fuse I checked too (didn't look at the diagram until I discovered one that was blown).
Would've probably checked a lot sooner but sitting in a stationary car in this heat is pretty much just unbearable. Meant to do it yesterday but ran out of daylight.
I'm just glad this shit is fixed. Now everyone can commence to ragging on me for doing everything but checking the fuses.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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I don't remember anyone saying it's not a fuse though (although my memory is notoriously flawed ) Several people suggested checking the fuses. (just counted, about 8 people suggested to check fuses )
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I remember you asking him to check his timing belt.. timing belt fuse maybe??
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Amanita86]
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i feel like there were several times i said that it could be a fuse. i was wrong when i said there wasnt a fuse for the fuel pump... because on the diagram i read there wasnt one. but i mush have read the wrong diagram because there wasnt an "engine" fuse either
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Because one of 8 comments i made is the only one that I made that counts...Epic derp
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Just be glad it wasn't a loose nut behind the steering wheel.
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Koods kept PMing him, suggesting that he check the johnson rod.
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Mine has been bent for years, but I've never had any problem with it working properly. I've heard of guys just getting so frustrated with theirs that they remove them altogether. I just wouldn't feel safe running without a johnson rod.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
#22094059 - 08/15/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Same here. But overall, I find it a huge benefit to the whole driving experience.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil] 1
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Enlil said: Mine has been bent for years, but I've never had any problem with it working properly. I've heard of guys just getting so frustrated with theirs that they remove them altogether. I just wouldn't feel safe running without a johnson rod.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: ballsalsa]
#22094302 - 08/15/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well damn it.. Now I have a new issue. A/C worked before all this shit, now the blower motor isn't coming on (can hear the A/C unit itself come on). It even worked after the car wouldn't start. Done checked all the fuses, found the one I dropped and everything.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22094456 - 08/15/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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is the blower on the climate control working for any settings? a/c heat vent hi med low .... any settings?
im trying to figure out which blower. as the a/c system has a coil fan (may share this with the radiator fan) and the climate control has a squirrel cage.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
#22094509 - 08/15/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doesn't work any setting. The A/C compressor comes on, but no air blows through the vents, on heater on any speed or any setting. I'm starting to get angry.
I found the resistances to test the blower motor resistor, and they are not even close to the specs I'm supposed to get.

 First one is .5 to .6 ohm, second one is .7 to .8 ohm and the third is 2.8 to 2.9 ohm.
But reading around, a bad resistor usually means it will only blow on high or something. It's only even mentioned a couple of places that a bad resistor could cause to not function at all.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22094551 - 08/15/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What are the chances that with the switch for the air turned off, that whatever fried the fuse could have fried the resistor as well? I know if the switch was on, it'd make sense, but I'm not sure about it when the switch was off. And I've got a test to see if it's the switch (they are apparently notoriously flimsy in this car) is the issue. Just too hot to go taking apart the center dash right now.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22094607 - 08/15/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That would almost be impossible duento the fact they are totally separate systems of a car.. But never discount electricity its the laziest but the best at fucking shit up at the same time
Do you have power and ground to your blower motor?
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22094626 - 08/15/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: It's only even mentioned a couple of places that a bad resistor could cause to not function at all.
There's no resistor, you're measuring the resistance of the coil itself. I suppose it's a coil with multiple taps for the different blower settings. It's odd that you measure resistances that are low enough (on the first two parts of the coil at least) that are in the ballpark; if they're correct, it should at least work a bit. However, I suspect a measuring error (and the fan is in fact burnt out) or there's another electrical problem elsewhere in the system.
Edit: I'm wrong. The fan speed is controlled with a series resistance. Kinda dumb, but that's apparently how they chose to implement it. Measuring the resistor won't necessarily say anything about the fan itself being any good.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
#22094648 - 08/15/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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No idea. I've never even seen one. So far I've just verified it does not work in any circumstance (did before all of this) and have tested the resistor, also double checked all fuses related to the A/C system.
If it's the motor itself, I'm kinda screwed. I looked up the repair procedure (in my specific car's workshop manual) and it involves draining the refrigerant, which is not something I'm equipped to do. http://www.mazdaspd.com/manual_files/07-11.pdf I don't know if I can even test the power and ground (whether it's accessible or not without removing the cooling unit).
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22094666 - 08/15/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Passenger side behind the glove box toward the firewall. Crawl under there and check for power ground.
If that is too much go back through the vehicle and touch everything you touched previously and double check fuses to see if everything got put back where it needs to be
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
#22094700 - 08/15/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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To the best of my knowledge everything is back where it's supposed to be. I mean I haven't really removed anything but the battery since we've had the car. And going by the fuse diagram in my manual, every fuse except 1 is where it is supposed to be. The fuse that is missing is an ABS fuse, and has always been missing (I thought it was just an unused spot, but found out it's not supposed to be while comparing fuses to the diagram).
I'll check to see if I can test for power and ground later.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22094827 - 08/15/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The first question is whether the fan is coming on. It's possible that it's on, but that you're getting no air because the vents aren't open. Use your ears to tell if it's coming on. Test it on full fan and off. If you hear no difference, then the fan is not even coming on. Do this with the key on, but the engine off so that you can hear better.
Assuming the fan isn't coming on, even in full, then it's not the resistor. The resisor is only used when the fan is at less than full speed. The first thing I'd do is pull the fan control out of the dash and look to see if it's fried. These switches and/or their connectors die frequently. If it looks okay, test to make sure that +12v is getting to the switch. This has to be done with the key on, of course.
If power is getting to the switch, try hotwiring between the power and the other connections on the switch. If the fan never comes on, it's almost certainly the fan motor.
If the fan comes on while hotwired, it's the switch, the connector, or both.
If the fan is turning, but no air is coming out (determined by the sound test above), then you're looking at the vent controls. In many cars, these are vacuum controlled, and they don't open unless the car is running. If yours are like this, it's possible that you removed a vacuum line when you were fucking around under the hood. Check for this.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
#22094869 - 08/15/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay so I just saw how easily accesible motor was and went ahead and tested. I'm not 100% positive I did it right, so here is what I did. Unplugged the connector for the fan which has 2 pretty thick wires, turned the fan on, turned the multimeter to DC volts, and stuck the leads in both sides. Showed nothing. Then put multimeter on ohms and stuck one lead to a known good ground, and then stuck the other lead into what I believe to be the negative/neutral side. Read open circuit. For good measure stuck it in the one I'm almost positive is the positive (has a white stripe on it, other is just solid dark blue/black) and still open circuit reading.
So I think that it's not getting ground or power. What would cause that?
And no the fan is definitely not turning, I can't even hear an electrical hum or anything indicating that it's trying to come on. It stays 100% silent.
And yes I plan to test the switch itself later. It's raining and hailing like crazy right now so not sure if I'll get to test it today or not. I just wanted to wait til it cooled off because getting the switch out to jumper it is a bit more intensive than any of the other testing I've done yet.
Other than the issues, I'm really starting to like this car. A lot of this shit is easy to get to. On my Sonata to get to practically anything I have to disassemble a bunch of other random shit. Which is time consuming and aggravating.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22094914 - 08/15/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Did you test the fan by powering it with 12 volts? That'd answer your question pretty quickly.
You have a weird way of testing things. The way to test a ground is to test voltage between the ground you're testing and a known postive. You're way should work, too, but it's bassackwards as fuck.
So, assuming you've tested the fan by applying a positive and ground to it, the next step is to check the power to the switch as I've suggested.
By the way, the motor might not get ground from the wires. It might get it from the chassis. This isn't common, but some cars are like that.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
#22094952 - 08/15/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You have a weird way of testing things. The way to test a ground is to test voltage between the ground you're testing and a known postive. You're way should work, too, but it's bassackwards as fuck.
I've never really had anyone to teach me these things, I'm entirely self taught. All my "knowledge" is derived from reading repair manuals, Google and common sense (like connecting a ground to a known ground should create a closed circuit). I can do it the normal way though.
No haven't tried firing the motor from a direct 12v source. Not sure how I would, the only 12v source I have available is the car's battery itself. Only things I have on hand that could allow me to do that are some alligator clip leads and jumper cables. Wouldn't I risk burning out the motor or something by feeding it directly from the car battery though?
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22094969 - 08/15/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would be careful about assumptions. It's possible that the two wires are positive and negative. It's also possible that they are high and low with the ground coming from the chassis. I don't recommend connecting anything to the battery until you know. I haven't seen any wiring diagram or anything.
Start from the switch, as I originally said. Unplug it and test between each wire and the ground looking for 12 volts. The one that has power with key on is the power input to the switch. If none have power, you've got a problem before the switch...probably a fuse (as much as I know you don't think this is it.)
BTW, since you're self-taught, here' a hint. The center dash panel likely comes off very easily. It's probably a mixture of hidden screws and connectors that just snap off...if it has any screws at all.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
#22094984 - 08/15/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Will when I can. There's a thread about the A/C system on the Mazda forums and apparently our switches are notorious for getting burned out. They've also given a way to test if it's the switch by just jumping the power pin to the different settings that correspond to the different settings the dial selects.

I was gonna test this earlier but figured out it wasn't going to be quite as easy to remove as I thought, so decided to wait til later in the day.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22095004 - 08/15/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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 The two wires are positive and negative.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22095091 - 08/15/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Then I'd just toss some female 1/4" blade connectors on two wires, plug them in, and tap them to the battery.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
#22095167 - 08/15/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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"I think the switch is bad, so I'll test every fucking other thing on the car EXCEPT the switch."

Here comes another 9 pages of BS.
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From the start, I said it was probably the switch or the plug.
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I don't think OP will listen to you until about page 15, then it will be a half-arsed attempt at that.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
#22095232 - 08/15/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not the switch. Tested with both multimeter and the jumper system proposed on the Mazda forums. There is no power being fed to it.
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Arctic W. Fox said: "I think the switch is bad, so I'll test every fucking other thing on the car EXCEPT the switch."

Here comes another 9 pages of BS.
Only thing that has stopped me from testing certain things when they were brought up is the heat. Everything I tested before other stuff was stuff that was easily accessible and could be done in a minute or two. Pulling fuses took me awhile (especially thanks to the jacked up layout they have in this car) pulling the panel off so I could test the switch took me awhile. Would've tested even earlier but it was raining. It started raining in the middle of me trying to determine if power and ground was even getting to the motor.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Figured it out (unless it's on by a fluke). After finding out the switch wasn't the problem I looked at the wiring and found a loose connector. Dunno how it got that way, never got up under the dash before trying to fix this. May of been like that when we bought it and it finally got jarred loose. Whatever the reason, it's working now. Car is back to the condition we bought it in.
Can go ahead and close the thread if you want. Any further help I need (if I ever do) will be completely different.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22095663 - 08/15/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
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Thanks. Feels good to have everything back to normal without really spending much to get it that way. All the parts I ordered are here, so got it all back to normal just in time. Battery and alternator both seem to be fine, no clue why the battery was initially low, maybe left a light on or something by mistake. But after jumping it and letting it run last night, the battery got charged back up and it held the charge over night. Battery is now reading a solid 12.47 volts (and holding). Also checked the alternator output like I said I was going to as soon as I had it running, and go the 14+ volts I expected. I'll keep an eye on it just in case but I think all is good now.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22095807 - 08/15/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well that meter just paid for itself good job dude
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
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I already had the meter. I do need a better one though. It's good for general purpose but it leaves a lot to be desired when trying to diagnose car issues. For instance the ohm setting only goes down to tenths. Lot of the ohm tests require going to hundredths. The DC volt testing just randomly jumps around (in hundreds of volts scale and dipping down into the negative) when it doesn't detect a voltage, the 12v battery tester option doesn't however. I've tested both on known good, full batteries, both car and AA, and the volts check out though. I use both settings to confirm readings just in case.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
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