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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22093999 - 08/15/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just be glad it wasn't a loose nut behind the steering wheel.

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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: vinsue] * 2
    #22094016 - 08/15/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Koods kept PMing him, suggesting that he check the johnson rod.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #22094044 - 08/15/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Koods kept PMing him, suggesting that he check the johnson rod.



If you lubricate it properly you'll find it slides in quite easily.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks] * 3
    #22094048 - 08/15/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Mine has been bent for years, but I've never had any problem with it working properly.  I've heard of guys just getting so frustrated with theirs that they remove them altogether.  I just wouldn't feel safe running without a johnson rod.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
    #22094059 - 08/15/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Same here. But overall, I find it a huge benefit to the whole driving experience.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #22094272 - 08/15/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Mine has been bent for years, but I've never had any problem with it working properly.  I've heard of guys just getting so frustrated with theirs that they remove them altogether.  I just wouldn't feel safe running without a johnson rod.




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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22094302 - 08/15/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well damn it.. Now I have a new issue. A/C worked before all this shit, now the blower motor isn't coming on (can hear the A/C unit itself come on). It even worked after the car wouldn't start. Done checked all the fuses, found the one I dropped and everything. :mad2:


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22094456 - 08/15/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

is the blower on the climate control working for any settings? a/c heat vent hi med low .... any settings?

im trying to figure out which blower. as the a/c system has a coil fan  (may share this with the radiator fan) and the climate control has a squirrel cage.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
    #22094509 - 08/15/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Doesn't work any setting. The A/C compressor comes on, but no air blows through the vents, on heater on any speed or any setting. :crankey: I'm starting to get angry.

I found the resistances to test the blower motor resistor, and they are not even close to the specs I'm supposed to get.



First one is .5 to .6 ohm, second one is .7 to .8 ohm and the third is 2.8 to 2.9 ohm.

But reading around, a bad resistor usually means it will only blow on high or something. It's only even mentioned a couple of places that a bad resistor could cause to not function at all.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22094551 - 08/15/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What are the chances that with the switch for the air turned off, that whatever fried the fuse could have fried the resistor as well? I know if the switch was on, it'd make sense, but I'm not sure about it when the switch was off. And I've got a test to see if it's the switch (they are apparently notoriously flimsy in this car) is the issue. Just too hot to go taking apart the center dash right now.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22094607 - 08/15/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That would almost be impossible duento the fact they are totally separate systems of a car.. But never discount electricity its the laziest but the best at fucking shit up at the same time

Do you have power and ground to your blower motor?


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22094626 - 08/15/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's only even mentioned a couple of places that a bad resistor could cause to not function at all.



There's no resistor, you're measuring the resistance of the coil itself. I suppose it's a coil with multiple taps for the different blower settings. It's odd that you measure resistances that are low enough (on the first two parts of the coil at least) that are in the ballpark; if they're correct, it should at least work a bit. However, I suspect a measuring error (and the fan is in fact burnt out) or there's another electrical problem elsewhere in the system.

Edit: I'm wrong. The fan speed is controlled with a series resistance. Kinda dumb, but that's apparently how they chose to implement it. Measuring the resistor won't necessarily say anything about the fan itself being any good.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
    #22094648 - 08/15/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No idea. I've never even seen one. So far I've just verified it does not work in any circumstance (did before all of this) and have tested the resistor, also double checked all fuses related to the A/C system.

If it's the motor itself, I'm kinda screwed. I looked up the repair procedure (in my specific car's workshop manual) and it involves draining the refrigerant, which is not something I'm equipped to do. http://www.mazdaspd.com/manual_files/07-11.pdf I don't know if I can even test the power and ground (whether it's accessible or not without removing the cooling unit).


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22094666 - 08/15/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Passenger side behind the glove box toward the firewall. Crawl under there and check for power ground.

If that is too much go back through the vehicle and touch everything you touched previously and double check fuses to see if everything got put back where it needs to be


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
    #22094700 - 08/15/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

To the best of my knowledge everything is back where it's supposed to be. I mean I haven't really removed anything but the battery since we've had the car. And going by the fuse diagram in my manual, every fuse except 1 is where it is supposed to be. The fuse that is missing is an ABS fuse, and has always been missing (I thought it was just an unused spot, but found out it's not supposed to be while comparing fuses to the diagram).

I'll check to see if I can test for power and ground later.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22094827 - 08/15/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The first question is whether the fan is coming on.  It's possible that it's on, but that you're getting no air because the vents aren't open.  Use your ears to tell if it's coming on.  Test it on full fan and off.  If you hear no difference, then the fan is not even coming on.  Do this with the key on, but the engine off so that you can hear better.


Assuming the fan isn't coming on, even in full, then it's not the resistor.  The resisor is only used when the fan is at less than full speed.  The first thing I'd do is pull the fan control out of the dash and look to see if it's fried.  These switches and/or their connectors die frequently.  If it looks okay, test to make sure that +12v is getting to the switch.  This has to be done with the key on, of course.

If power is getting to the switch, try hotwiring between the power and the other connections on the switch.  If the fan never comes on, it's almost certainly the fan motor.

If the fan comes on while hotwired, it's the switch, the connector, or both.

If the fan is turning, but no air is coming out (determined by the sound test above), then you're looking at the vent controls.  In many cars, these are vacuum controlled, and they don't open unless the car is running.  If yours are like this, it's possible that you removed a vacuum line when you were fucking around under the hood.  Check for this.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
    #22094869 - 08/15/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Okay so I just saw how easily accesible motor was and went ahead and tested. I'm not 100% positive I did it right, so here is what I did. Unplugged the connector for the fan which has 2 pretty thick wires, turned the fan on, turned the multimeter to DC volts, and stuck the leads in both sides. Showed nothing. Then put multimeter on ohms and stuck one lead to a known good ground, and then stuck the other lead into what I believe to be the negative/neutral side. Read open circuit. For good measure stuck it in the one I'm almost positive is the positive (has a white stripe on it, other is just solid dark blue/black) and still open circuit reading.

So I think that it's not getting ground or power. What would cause that?

And no the fan is definitely not turning, I can't even hear an electrical hum or anything indicating that it's trying to come on. It stays 100% silent.

And yes I plan to test the switch itself later. It's raining and hailing like crazy right now so not sure if I'll get to test it today or not. I just wanted to wait til it cooled off because getting the switch out to jumper it is a bit more intensive than any of the other testing I've done yet.

Other than the issues, I'm really starting to like this car. A lot of this shit is easy to get to. On my Sonata to get to practically anything I have to disassemble a bunch of other random shit. Which is time consuming and aggravating.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22094914 - 08/15/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Did you test the fan by powering it with 12 volts?  That'd answer your question pretty quickly.

You have a weird way of testing things.  The way to test a ground is to test voltage between the ground you're testing and a known postive.  You're way should work, too, but it's bassackwards as fuck.

So, assuming you've tested the fan by applying a positive and ground to it, the next step is to check the power to the switch as I've suggested.

By the way, the motor might not get ground from the wires.  It might get it from the chassis.  This isn't common, but some cars are like that.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
    #22094952 - 08/15/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You have a weird way of testing things.  The way to test a ground is to test voltage between the ground you're testing and a known postive.  You're way should work, too, but it's bassackwards as fuck.




:lol: I've never really had anyone to teach me these things, I'm entirely self taught. All my "knowledge" is derived from reading repair manuals, Google and common sense (like connecting a ground to a known ground should create a closed circuit). I can do it the normal way though.

No haven't tried firing the motor from a direct 12v source. Not sure how I would, the only 12v source I have available is the car's battery itself. Only things I have on hand that could allow me to do that are some alligator clip leads and jumper cables. Wouldn't I risk burning out the motor or something by feeding it directly from the car battery though?


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


Edited by Shroomslip (08/15/15 02:00 PM)


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22094969 - 08/15/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would be careful about assumptions.  It's possible that the two wires are positive and negative.  It's also possible that they are high and low with the ground coming from the chassis.  I don't recommend connecting anything to the battery until you know.  I haven't seen any wiring diagram or anything.

Start from the switch, as I originally said.  Unplug it and test between each wire and the ground looking for 12 volts.  The one that has power with key on is the power input to the switch.  If none have power, you've got a problem before the switch...probably a fuse (as much as I know you don't think this is it.)

BTW, since you're self-taught, here' a hint.  The center dash panel likely comes off very easily.  It's probably a mixture of hidden screws and connectors that just snap off...if it has any screws at all.



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