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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22091898 - 08/14/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The relay should be turned on when the key is initially turned on.  Normally, the pump has to run before the engine starts turning.  I don't think the crank position sensor has anything to do with it.

You're getting spark, so you know the position sensor is working.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
    #22091927 - 08/14/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's just what I read while reading up on people with very similar problems on the same engine (before all I had to go on was no start). I could've misread or be remembering wrong though. I've been going through tons of different pages trying to figure this out.

This is one of the pages I came across though : http://www.airtexproducts.com/news-the-crankshaft-position-sensor-and-how-it-affects-the-fuel-delivery-system


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
    #22091930 - 08/14/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Agree with Enlil. The pump usually just runs all the time, pumping fuel around the fuel gllery to which the injectors are connected.

If you want to pursue the crankshaft sensor, you could try wiggling the lead on the sensor a bit. Sometimes the connector is partly oxidized or a bit loose. But it doesn't sound like the most likely issue to me.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22092442 - 08/14/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Problem solved. Yes it was very simple in the end and I knew it had to have something to do with connecting the battery back up, was just too big of a coincidence. Had never gotten around to checking the fuses yet. In retrospect should've and will do that first in the future. But I learned more about cars through this thread (and ordeal). So it's not a total loss. I also became more acquainted with the layout of this car.

Turned out to be a little tiny fuse in the passenger compartment. Was just called "Engine". Was literally the last fuse I checked too (didn't look at the diagram until I discovered one that was blown).

Would've probably checked a lot sooner but sitting in a stationary car in this heat is pretty much just unbearable. Meant to do it yesterday but ran out of daylight.

I'm just glad this shit is fixed. Now everyone can commence to ragging on me for doing everything but checking the fuses.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22092457 - 08/14/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

glad it was a cheap fix.

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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22092471 - 08/14/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I thought you checked the all the fuses 4 pages back. Thank god it's over. I wanted to strangle you. :highfive:


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22092490 - 08/14/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nah not all of them. I checked the ones in the engine compartment which all looked fine. Today I went through testing every single fuse with a multimeter and eventually one just read as open circuit and looked on the little panel thing to see if it said what it was for and it said engine. I was too happy that I'd likely found the problem to face palm myself for not checking those as well.

And the layout of the interior fuse panel is total bullshit. Whoever designed that shit should be shot. Like half the panel is covered by interior molding or whatever it's called. It's almost impossible to even get a fuse puller latched onto the fuse, much less your fingers. And putting it back in is dicey as hell. It can drop right down into the molding. Something did drop while I was testing them, but I have no idea what. According to the diagram all the fuses are in their correct places.

Now I get to deal with the two error codes I had originally and the tune-up.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22092506 - 08/14/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's a good thing to know your car batter now. Got that out of the way.

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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22092509 - 08/14/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

for your education.... you can look at that bad fuse and see how to see they are bad....

you can see that a bad fuse has a broken connection in the middle.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
    #22092521 - 08/14/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well I know how they go bad, that's how I judged all the ones in the engine compartment to make sure they weren't bad. I just didn't want there to be some weird ass unseen issue or to leave it to random chance or anything so decided to test every last one with a multimeter and make sure there was no (or virtually no) resistance. Today was the first time I looked at the fuses in the passenger compartment. By the time I got to the engine one, I wasn't even looking at them anymore, I was just connecting the leads and watching ohms and finally one wasn't working right and looked at it, it was clearly blown, and then looked what it was for.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22092534 - 08/14/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i mean you can visually check them you dont need a multimeter

let me see if i can find you a picture.

http://chevythunder.com/ATO%20fuse%20conditions.jpg

under the colored plastic there will be a break in the circuit on a bad fuse


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
    #22092546 - 08/14/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I know, but didn't want to leave any room for error. Didn't want some freak occurrence or me missing something. Doesn't really take any more time to put them on a multimeter than to look, not for me anyways. They're all the same size so you can just hold the leads in the same position in one hand and pull with the other.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22093363 - 08/15/15 02:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:
Enjoy your car mate!


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22093377 - 08/15/15 02:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dont forget to check the "Engine" fuse!

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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22093419 - 08/15/15 03:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Shroomslip said:
Problem solved. Yes it was very simple in the end and I knew it had to have something to do with connecting the battery back up, was just too big of a coincidence. Had never gotten around to checking the fuses yet. In retrospect should've and will do that first in the future. But I learned more about cars through this thread (and ordeal). So it's not a total loss. I also became more acquainted with the layout of this car.

Turned out to be a little tiny fuse in the passenger compartment. Was just called "Engine". Was literally the last fuse I checked too (didn't look at the diagram until I discovered one that was blown).

Would've probably checked a lot sooner but sitting in a stationary car in this heat is pretty much just unbearable. Meant to do it yesterday but ran out of daylight.

I'm just glad this shit is fixed. Now everyone can commence to ragging on me for doing everything but checking the fuses.



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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22093786 - 08/15/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Now everyone apologize to me for saying it wasn't a fuse. :lol:


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22093796 - 08/15/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't remember anyone saying it's not a fuse though (although my memory is notoriously flawed :wink:) Several people suggested checking the fuses. (just counted, about 8 people suggested to check fuses :wink:)


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22093800 - 08/15/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Now everyone apologize to me for saying it wasn't a fuse. :lol:



I remember you asking him to check his timing belt.. timing belt fuse maybe??


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Amanita86]
    #22093867 - 08/15/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i feel like there were several times i said that it could be a fuse. i was wrong when i said there wasnt a fuse for the fuel pump... because on the diagram i read there wasnt one. but i mush have read the wrong diagram because there wasnt an "engine" fuse either :smile:


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Amanita86]
    #22093958 - 08/15/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Because one of 8 comments i made is the only one that I made that counts...Epic derp


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