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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
    #22090523 - 08/14/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

now you have to find out if the pump is in the tank (which is likely on small to mid sized cars)...


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
    #22090619 - 08/14/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i'm telling you, that car was sitting too long with the gas tank rusting down.

you'll see when he gets around to pulling the pump.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22090763 - 08/14/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i cant remember what year he said it was, you may be right... i have a trick for that, but we have to see first.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
    #22090934 - 08/14/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if the fuel pump is outside of the tank, and if your car is 20+ years old or you just SUSPECT Its rusting, then i'll tell you how to make a trap/prefilter for most of the rust (or you can just change the fuel filter more often which is waaay EASIER but more costly).

if the fuel pump is in the tank, then while you have the tank dropped and empty, if you see rust we want to kill it for 20 bux and have it never come back, instead of killing your fuel system over and over and over.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
    #22090948 - 08/14/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The car is a 2002.  It's unlikely that it's a rust issue.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
    #22090990 - 08/14/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

uhm, yeah...probably not a rusty tank


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Enlil]
    #22090996 - 08/14/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Rust inside a full tank of a 2002 car? Doesn't sound likely. Gunkified fuel perhaps, if the car has sat still for a long time. But since it has run just fine this week on two separate occasions, it's  not the first direction I'd search in.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
    #22091005 - 08/14/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

half full tank, and nobody actually knows how long it was sitting for.  Probably had a tank full of varnish


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22091026 - 08/14/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

can happen, its possible, i dunno... but fuel pumps go and its about the right time for a fuel pump to go in fact. you may be right but in a 2002 the odds are low enough that if the pump is outside of the tank i wouldnt personally look because fuck dropping a tank if you dont have to.

some (asian designed) cars let you get to the tank from under the back seat... which i find to be 1) very user friendly and 2) very creepy not that its going to vent that way (its really not) but because it feels like it will.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
    #22091353 - 08/14/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

French cars have that design feature as well. It's very convenient. Never noticed a particular fuel smell in contemporary french cars. Only garlic.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: koraks]
    #22091396 - 08/14/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah... but.... well yeah....

but...uhm i mean i know but.... yeah.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
    #22091679 - 08/14/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Okay so I can't find any mention of a fuel pump (or any kind of fuel system) fuse anywhere. Only thing that's ever talked about is the fuel relay.

So I started messing around with the relay to figure out if it's bad or not, still kind of undetermined. It is not clicking, for sure. Check to see if it's getting power, and to the best of my knowledge I'm only getting .3 volts. Gonna double check later. There are 4 slots and I'm not sure which 2 are the power and ground for sure. So gonna try all the combos I can just to be sure.

Either the relay is bad or I just haven't hooked into the 2 correct connections yet and the problem is somewhere further up the line. When it's not quite so hot out I guess I'll go ahead and pull every fuse and check since I can't seem to find any one that is related to the fuel system. (Would it for sure have a fuse AND a relay?)


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22091698 - 08/14/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

easier to just ask (and im sure its in here somewhere already)...

year make model?


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22091702 - 08/14/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

2002 mazda protege5


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22091724 - 08/14/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

just the relay



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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
    #22091729 - 08/14/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

http://repairpal.com/crank-but-no-start-condition-151

Mazda Protege Problem
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Model Years Affected: 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003

Engines Affected: 1.5L 4 Cylinder, 1.6L 4 Cylinder, 1.8L 4 Cylinder

Average Mileage: 139,209 mi (49,000 mi - 201,207 mi)
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If the engine cranks but does not start, and diagnosis shows no fuel pressure, the fuel pump relay is frequently the problem. If the fuel pump relay is defective, the fuel pump will not energize and therefore, not generate fuel pressure so the engine can run.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22091748 - 08/14/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Mine is a 2.0 liter, although I think the information you quoted may not be entirely accurate, as far as I know, 2002 protege only has a 2.0 liter. So if 2002 protege is listed, a 2.0 liter engine would have to be as well.

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just the relay





I wanted to do this test to check the relay itself, but cannot find the diagram to know what to attach where and I don't want to just go guessing and fuck something up.


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22091770 - 08/14/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i'll try to look in a bit see if i cant find you some clearer videos


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rxb]
    #22091802 - 08/14/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well my relay is a lot different than the one in that video.



That's my fuel pump relay (not "mine" but the same relay).


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22091855 - 08/14/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Also doing some preliminary reading now that I have a more accurate picture of what's going on, things are starting to point towards the Crankshaft or Camshaft Position Sensor. To the best of my knowledge right now, the relay is not being switched on because juice is not being fed to it in the first place.


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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