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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: ballsalsa]
#22083733 - 08/12/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's easy enough to check. If the check engine light comes on when the key is first turned to the on position, the PCM is getting power and functioning...functioning properly is another question.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083744 - 08/12/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Didn't hook it up backwards, didn't short it at the terminals either. Didn't play or fiddle with it, took it out, brought it back, installed it, and no start. The terminals are still connected exactly as I installed them when I brought the battery back and I have double checked, they are hooked up correctly. I have some more things to look at tomorrow surrounding the battery reinstall though.
For the record, the o2 sensors were 25, and so were the ignition coils (2 each). There is also 2 plug wires, which was 15 a set for higher end ones (cheaper ones were like 10).
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
#22083752 - 08/12/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree 100% with rackem. I usually don't do diagnostic stuff on my own, because it requires pretty advanced knowledge in the way the systems all work together. Ignition is pretty simple and like rackem said, but worse case, take it to a mechanic for a $50 diagnostic, then either research how to fix what he suggests, join a forum on the make of your car, or make some mechanic friends. Through this process, I've been able to bugger with/understand my entire brake system, some drive-line, and the entire serpentine system. On my old bike: head/valves, exhaust, electrical, and carbs.
Everything's on youtube these days.
Oh, my cats and O2 sensors are all fucked, on my pre-2000 car and everything runs great (got a waiver on my emissions).
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083767 - 08/12/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's pretty much my plan if I can't figure it out on my own. There are some things out of my scope and if it is something that is I'll have let them do it, but I plan to see if I can fix this on my own, and if I can't take it to a shop and let them figure it out. Then determine if it's something I can fix. I'm not an expert on cars, but I have been repairing ours for about 10 years now. I can do the vast majority of the usual culprits.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083776 - 08/12/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude if you already have a meter.. You can fix this.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083786 - 08/12/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You mean ODBII scanner? Don't. The only "specialty" diagnostic equipment I have is a multimeter and a vacuum pump. The rest of my tools are all just sockets, wrenches and the like.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083813 - 08/12/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nah I meant a multimeter Code scanners are easy to come by
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
#22083836 - 08/12/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yep have one. What is your suggestion to test and what should I look for? I've got a long list of stuff to check out tomorrow. I'm basically going to have to go back through this thread and write it all down and make a check list.
I did one of the things when my wife got home. I cannot hear a fuel pump priming when the key is turned to on (and not even when it's turned to start I had her do that one just in case). Though it was mentioned that some people can't hear it even when it's pointed out to them, so I'm not taking that as definitive proof.
As control I just went outside and listened for a pump on my Sonata, which I did hear, plainly.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
#22083858 - 08/12/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
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Remove the air filter attempt to start vehicle Grab brake clean spray it in the manifold attempt to start Remove a coil hook it to a screwdriver on a ground and have somebody start the vehicle while look for well spark..
That's how you go about diagnosing your no start dude
That is the technician industry gold standard for diagnosing a crank no start
If the car starts after you remove the air filer its an air problem
If it starts after you hit it with brake clean or ether you have a fuel issue
If you don't see spark when you test the coils you sir have an electrical issue
Once you get that down you can go from there
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083880 - 08/12/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I got that much I meant with the multimeter, you brought it up so figured you had some other kind of test in mind or something.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083922 - 08/12/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just think its an electrical issue is all.. But its tough to get a feel over the interwebs
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083995 - 08/12/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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sounds like what my car had recently. Turns over on start but wont fire up.
I found out it was my fuel pump. It died.
get a manual from an auto store for your car first.
Try unloosening the nut on the fuel line between the fuel filter and the fuel pump. Turn the key to start and make sure fuel is shooting out.
If it is shooting out, its not the pump. Could be a bad fuel filter.
If there is no fuel coming out on the start or on position, then the fuel pump needs to be changed.
Start there, see what happens, then move on to testing the spark plugs for power.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22083999 - 08/12/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey shroom, I kind of quick read these last two pages but..
My mind keeps going back to the sparks you saw when installing the battery. That combined with the "one day it starts, the next it doesn't nature of it makes me think something could have gotten fried. Whatever the case something happened, 'immediately' which cancels out any normal wear and tear, type of thing..usually.
I think you need to reset your OBD and turn it over again, and then see what codes it throws up. All this other shit is just guesstimations..
Reset everything, turn the key a few times.. just 7-10 second cycles, and then re-diagnose. It may tell you what you need to know.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Amanita86] 1
#22084009 - 08/12/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can you hear the fuel pump hum for a few seconds when you click the key to it's prefire spot? That combined with pulling a plug to see if it sparks would cancel out some things.. much beyond that I'd just look for those codes. I can't really think of much else to tell you past that.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Amanita86]
#22084018 - 08/12/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hit the starter with a hammer. might take a few times and it might take another person turning the key while you tap it. if it starts up then is your problem.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: sprinkles]
#22084034 - 08/12/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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does it crank but not turn over? or not even crank?
I bet you money its the starter going out. smack that bitch a few times.
you dont even need to replace it right away. I turned mine over for months with a hammer, then one day it finally kicked the bucket. Lol. its a stick though so it push starts.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
#22084047 - 08/12/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I know. Diagnosing complicated equipment (cars or computers or anything along those lines) is always inherently difficult without actually being able to be there and see it for yourself. I wish I had more auto-knowledgeable people in my life but I don't. I'm pretty much on my own (hell most people I know or wife knows who have car issues turn to ME for some idea of what's going on). I'm not afraid to admit I'm basically just an amateur. Especially with newer cars. There is just so much shit to go wrong. All in the name of fuel economy and emission control mostly. A 60's 70's or even 80's car is not that big of a deal to work on.
I started out on an early 80's Oldsmobile. Never worked on a car in my life. I bought some tools, and a Haynes repair manual and set to work. I made a lot of progress trying to fight with that car, but it had been sitting for years. It was literally one thing after another. I don't view it as a failure though. Having to just dive in and get a crash course taught me a LOT about cars and how they work. If I hadn't done that, I'd be as clueless as Paris Hilton when it came to trying to fix any car beyond that point. We dropped a good chunk of money into trying to fix that lost cause and get it road worthy, but it wasn't really money wasted. There is literally no doubt I have saved 2-3x as much in labor costs by having the understanding I gained from that experience.
The sparks on the battery I seem to always get regardless of what car I'm working on. It's not some huge electrical discharge, even striking a piece of flint is far brighter. But whether I go positive > negative or negative > positive, I always seem to have minimal spark. I've pretty much just came to accept this as normal. Because no matter what car it's on, or the order I hook things up, it happens.
And yes one of the plans for tomorrow is to reset the OBD.
And no I do not hear a fuel pump. I even double checked on my Sonata, I can very clearly hear it. I had wife cycle it a few times on the Mazda and I didn't hear a single thing.
Hopefully (if I can sleep tonight and it isn't like 120 degrees out tomorrow) I can go do all the simple tests that have been suggested thus far and try to rule some things out and paint a better picture. I know it may seem like I'm ignoring what people are saying, but I'm not. I just simply can't go do shit this right now. I planned to do ti today, but I didn't even up going to sleep until like 1:30 pm. After waking up at 5, I just didn't feel like fucking with it. I did a couple simple tests, like trying to jump it and trying with the key we know works, and listened to the fuel pump to see if I could hear anything, but beyond that, I just didn't have the energy to do much more on it.
I'll have some more answers tomorrow. I will do all the tests I can that have been suggested, so at least everyone has a more clear picture to go on.Quote:
sprinkles said: does it crank but not turn over? or not even crank?
I bet you money its the starter going out. smack that bitch a few times.
you dont even need to replace it right away. I turned mine over for months with a hammer, then one day it finally kicked the bucket. Lol. its a stick though so it push starts.
Cranks exactly as it should. Imagine you bought a brand new car, and it had never seen a drop of gasoline. That is what we're dealing with. The engine is fully turning over, freely, and for extended periods. Seems to me that ignition is just not taking place. Whether that is fuel, electrical or air related, I need to determine.
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22084065 - 08/12/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't worry about the sparks man its normal.
I'll be sure to check back in tomorrow see what the results are
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: rackem]
#22084096 - 08/13/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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my subaru had that issue. I paid a mobile mechanic to come look at it. he wound up cutting the cat off because he thought it was clogged. Then when that didnt work I told him no more, gtfo i'll figure it out myself. And I did. It was the knock sensor. The saw the top of it had a small split. When it took it out the bottom was broken in half. Replaced that and the car ran fine.
There's cam, crank, knock, oxygen and more dumb sensor things. Get a bright flashlight and check those for splits, cracks or if they may be loose. You can tap the block with a hammer i guess to diagnose a if its a knock sensor. The engine RPM will change. I'd just look at em.... Heat from the engine will degrade the rubber over time and they split. just a thought. im done now.. good luck and stuff or whateve.r
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Re: Car help, won't start. [Re: Shroomslip] 1
#22084098 - 08/13/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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"And no I do not hear a fuel pump. I even double checked on my Sonata, I can very clearly hear it. I had wife cycle it a few times on the Mazda and I didn't hear a single thing."
That could be your thing right there,... hey man go through all your fuses, even ones that look intact upon further review you'll see a fault sometimes.. that would make perfect sense here if it's turning and turning but not getting that fuel.. I've not been in every car under the sun but usually that 4-5 second fuel pump hum is pretty noticeable in most of the ones I've driven once you know to hear for it.. another avenue for you to pursue you know.
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