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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: zappaisgod]
#22111221 - 08/19/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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bigbadwoof is exploiting the prostitutes
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: Enlil]
#22111231 - 08/19/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, the prostitutes are exploiting him.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: zappaisgod]
#22111236 - 08/19/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's not a particularly intellectually honest argument. On average, prostitutes begin working as prostitutes at age 12-14. To argue that it isn't exploitation is beyond absurd and well into the territory of misogynistic.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: Enlil]
#22111283 - 08/19/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I suspect that you are completely full of shit with that assertion and pulled that fact straight out of your ass.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: zappaisgod]
#22111578 - 08/19/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Candidates, How do you really feel about the worlds oldest profession. If you were to win the presidency, would you take us the european route, with legalized prostitution, or would you adopt a more conservative policy?
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#22111768 - 08/19/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Legalize it. And all drugs for competent adults.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: zappaisgod]
#22111909 - 08/19/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I suspect that you are completely full of shit with that assertion and pulled that fact straight out of your ass.
Really?
"More than 300,000 U.S. children are involved in prostitution. The average age to enter prostitution is 14." Source.
"Average age of first intercourse for the children we interviewed was 12 years for the boys (N=63) and 13 years for the girls (N=107). The age range of entry into prostitution for the boys, including gay and transgender boys, was somewhat younger than that of the girls, i.e., 11-13 years vs. 12-14 years, respectively. The average age of first intercourse among minority boys and girls was younger than that of the non-minority youth we interviewed, i.e., 10-11 years of age for minority boys and 11-12 years of age for minority girls" Source.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: Enlil]
#22111920 - 08/19/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So, enlil, do you think that this exploitation of youth is a symptom of prostitution itself, or is it the result of a lack of regulations due to the illegal nature of the industry?
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: Enlil]
#22111937 - 08/19/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ah. That's worldwide. We can't do anything about the rest of the world. What do you suppose the average age of entering prostitution in the Netherlands is? For the most part they are talking about third world freakazoids, not civilized countries. Your source
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131 minors, and 1,248 adults
o These victims originate from at least 77 different countries.
o Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Anti-trafficking in Persons Department; U.S. Department of State Trafficking in Persons Report: 2007.
These aren't our hookers.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#22111942 - 08/19/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: So, enlil, do you think that this exploitation of youth is a symptom of prostitution itself, or is it the result of a lack of regulations due to the illegal nature of the industry?
It's a result of third world monsters and has very little relevance to America.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#22111952 - 08/19/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think that people commonly argue that prostitution is an issue of freedom, and I agree generally. What I disagree with is the notion that women enter the profession freely and knowingly. That does happen, but that is such a small portion of prostitutes that it is inconsequential.
As a rule, only the most vulnerable in our society enter that business, and that vulnerability is exploited, usually leaving the prostitute very little once the industry has used her and spit her out.
It's commonplace to hypothesize about what a world with legal prostitution would look like by painting pictures of a smiling prostitute and smiling john negotiating a fair price for a service. That's a fairytale, however. Even in states that have legalizes prostitution, the legal prostitutes are just people who were child prostitutes and eventually were able to get licensed.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: zappaisgod]
#22111960 - 08/19/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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These aren't our hookers.
Wow. Thanks for putting a nice period on my argument.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: Enlil]
#22111977 - 08/19/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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still, in a world were prostitution is not likely to go away, is it arguably more humane to at least designate some rules for everyone to follow? I read about drive-thru hookers in germany. Yeah, theyre still hookers, but they are at a well lit facility with a security guard and shit. in the pictures it looked something like a coin-op car wash. i'll see if i can hunt the article down(this is the interwebs after all)
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#22111986 - 08/19/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Who is everyone? You think legal prostitution would end illegal prostitution? That's a pipe dream. Does licensing for plumbing contractors stop illegal contractors from doing plumbing work?
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: Enlil]
#22111990 - 08/19/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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And the vulnerable get gulled into entering law. Another nasty business. Your link did not support your assertion nor do you respond to my retorts.
Do strippers enter their profession freely? Is somebody dragging them to strip joints at gunpoint? No. Maybe a few but not many by any stretch. Are they being forced into pornography? Maybe a few, but not many.
What do you mean by freely? If they are broke and feel an economic impulse to maximize their earnings potential that is freely. Just like any other job.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: zappaisgod]
#22112007 - 08/19/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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A 14 year old girl entering prostitution isn't an informed decision. They aren't competent to make the decision if it were. That 14 year old is being exploited by an adult, or more accurately, many adults.
Eventually, that 14 year old will be 18, and she'll still be a prostitute, if she's still alive. By then, she'll likely be addicted to various substances, and well indoctrinated by her pimp. Her decision to stay a prostitute at 18 is no more an exercise in free will than her original decision was to start in the first place.
You can argue all day long about the hypothetical "happy hooker" who is paying for college by sucking dick at the truck stop. Most likely, she doesn't exist. If she does, she's not in any way representative of the vast majority of prostitutes.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: Enlil]
#22112012 - 08/19/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Who is everyone? You think legal prostitution would end illegal prostitution? That's a pipe dream. Does licensing for plumbing contractors stop illegal contractors from doing plumbing work?
it certainly does not. However, licensing applies a sheen of legitimacy that the unlicensed do not have, which in turn allows a licensed plumber to command a higher wage than an unlicensed one(most of the time). Sure, there's plenty of unlicensed contractors out there, but it doesn't negate the benefits of licensing for both the consumer and contractors themselves
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#22112024 - 08/19/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're saying that a john is going to prefer a licensed prostitute over an unlicensed one? Maybe some will, but if I wanted to hire a hooker, I'd want one with less experience.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: Enlil]
#22112049 - 08/19/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can't know their experience level beforehand. Moreover, mandatory testing for STD's would presumably make the process safer for everyone involved, and would certainly add some value to the licensed hooker over the unlicensed.
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Re: Shroomery Party Primary Election Official Campaign Thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#22112092 - 08/19/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wouldn't necessarilly allow it, but I also wouldn't lock people up for participAting in it.
If anything I'll spread awareness of the dangers of prostitution and will offer the hookers a way out, even setting them up In half way houses all at the expense of the tax payers.
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