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1st grow log. B+ and GT
#22078437 - 08/11/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I finally got my shit together and steam sterilized 25 pf jars today. I just finished inoculation of all 25. They are Now on a shelf where I'll try not to bother them. Now I just have to try to be patient...
 Here are my babies. ( the tape is for a few small cracks )
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I'm sure someone has already told you those large jars tend to stall?
Also, you have air exchange holes poked in there right?
Other then that
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: taGyo]
#22078496 - 08/11/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, it was some leftover verm and brf and I had an extra jar so i said why not. Not to mention some extra liquid in the spore syringe. Of course, 4 holes in the lid with a half inch layer of dry verm.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: taGyo]
#22079211 - 08/11/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I did some of the tall half pints recently, it took most of them about 3 weeks to reach 100%. About two to three days after 100% most of them started pinning in vitro, so I went ahead and birthed.
Some people say they have problems with them getting stuck, but mine came right out of the jars with a tap on the hand. I fruited them laying down so moisture wouldn't be pulled down by gravity. Had some decent flushes off them.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22079259 - 08/11/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is one of the smaller flushes but I thought they were weird/cool looking mushrooms, wavy spotted caps and the only ones that had fuzzy feet. When I dunk and rolled I piled a ridge of verm across the top.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: cronicr]
#22090711 - 08/14/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well first signs of any growth...
 On my phone so the picture quality isn't that great, but it's about the size of a bb.
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I was looking at the rest of the jars and these two are colonizing much faster but where the myc is starting to form there's black dots. Is that just a clump of spores, because I know there were a couple jars where a few clumps came out.
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May just be soot from the needle. That's a lot of jars what's your plan for them, you gonna fruit them as cakes?
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22091064 - 08/14/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah. I plan on doing a couple sgfc's. Can they be stacked as long as there is 6-12in of space in between the fc?
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They may be fine as long as they are at least a foot away from one another, the more the better for proper FAE. You will also need head room to mist and fan the bottom one. It would be a major pain to have to move it every time you need to mist/fan, they get heavy with all the damp perlite, IME. You could also spawn to bulk in a mono, but cakes are cool too. like I said when I did the tall jars I fruited them on their side and it worked great.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22091728 - 08/14/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I want to stick to cakes for now just to get in to growing. I did have a quart sized jar in the first picture that i could do that with though. I haven't really researched monotubs so I have no idea how to go about that.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22091741 - 08/14/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ND, What strain is that in your picture and what was your average yield per cake?
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I still do cakes and i have been doing it for about a year and a half now. I know thats not too long but I feel i need to master cakes before moving on to others. I have tried horse poo and brf substrate but nothing has worked as good for me as the cakes have. I do the tall jars as well. The only problem i tend to have with the cakes is when it comes to the amount they put out compared to a mono tub or cake pan of horse poo. Looks good though.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: EntheoGod]
#22092463 - 08/14/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's nothing wrong with cakes, I love growing them. Those were B+, I really didn't weigh every one, I want to say most put out somewhere in the 75g range more or less. Minus a cake or 2 that didn't put out much, but that's MS for you. I grew those to get spores for agar work, pick a couple out to clone and some personal stash. Right now I've got clones of my best two fruits from that grow on agar. I gave all the cakes to a buddy after the first flush.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22092700 - 08/14/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have you thought about working with agar any? Pasty plates are really cheap, fun and easy. You can take your own spore prints and work with those, or clone a fruit you like and you don't have to order anything. Everything can be picked up for cheap at the grocery store. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976/fpart/1/vc/1 And if you find you really like the hobby here's some good reading material on bulk while you are waiting on your jars to colonize, how frank gets it done: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22092720 - 08/14/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This look right?
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Mono tubs are definitely worth trying. High yields with little up keep. I recommended checking out-grow.com if you decide to try it, very good service.
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Never worked with straw, but never seen myc that fuzzy, may be mold. Post it here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/2
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22096370 - 08/15/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think I'll do a monotub if my quart jar stays contam free.
 Well every single jar has growth! Here are the two jars I posted pics Yesterday afternoon before I left for work and these were just taken. I can't wait
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22104395 - 08/17/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll post new pics later. Nd, I'm assuming that 75g's is wet weight correct? I definitely want to do a bulk grow with that quart size jar. Is 50/50 coir/verm the most used or is there better methods?
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Hey man I'm growing the same strain with those same jars right now! You can look at my log on my profile if ya want; almost all of mine have growth now, can't wait! Sending good vibes my man
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: blew42]
#22104764 - 08/17/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I checked it out sometime in the last few days, very nice! Hopefully your jars grow a little faster. for some reason 2 of my jars are colonizing ridiculously fast, I hadn't planned on that. Its actually the two jars at the top of the page. Like I said I'll post pics after work.
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Quote:
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Dang, that's nice! What are your temps at/are those the B+s?
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: blew42]
#22104896 - 08/17/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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lookin good bro if you plan on sticking with cakes check this out http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=64&Number=1300760&fpart=&PHPSESSID== its the lazy mofo bag tek from eatyualive I did it on the regular when cakes was the game kinda oldschool but this shit works great!! you can turn those 25 cakes into 100 in a matter of days and requires very little skill to pull off....all you need is a glovebox either way bro keep it up great job
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: tetherface]
#22105086 - 08/18/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I honestly have no idea what temp they have been at. I read room temp is fine and it has been in the high 80s last few days. Gotta love apartments Yes they are the B+. The golden teacher seem to be slower at colonizing. That bag is pretty cool.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: taGyo]
#22106351 - 08/18/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I searched Google and the search engine here on the shroomery for various bulk methods. I don't have a pc and I don't really want to buy one just yet. Would pasturizing coir and verm in a 5 gallon bucket then crumbling and mixing a few colonized cakes into a monotub or foil pans be a cheap and effective method? I read that it might not be worth it but I'm willing to spare a few jars. Do I need manure or can I use something else?
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Yes.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
Use the small side of the cheese grater. Coir/verm will work fine and I recommend it over manure for first time.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: taGyo]
#22111801 - 08/19/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, wet. Everything is looking like it's going good for you so far, that many jars you could end up with a few oz's if everything goes good. You could use that quart and about four cakes together in a mini mono spawned to coir. That would be a good way of getting your feet wet with bulk. You may have to end up breaking that quart jar though, just put it in a bag or towel and be careful. Here's a good link for mini monos http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21032606
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22114942 - 08/20/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I figured that if I screwed up something at least I'd have a better chance ending up with just enough for a few trips. I picked up some supplies today for a minimono and substrate.
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I hear ya, sounds like you have been reading and got a plan. Between all those cakes and a mini mono I think you will exceed your expectations, and if you run into any problems lots of cool people on here to help. Rooting for you bro, expecting to see good things.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22128008 - 08/22/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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As of today every jar is at least 75% colonized, with the most colonized at about 90%
 I'm thinking monday or tuesday night the 6 b+ jars that are the most colonized and the big jar I'm going to spawn to coir and verm in a 66qt monotub. I am just guessing that they are close enough to spawn to bulk, I've seen other people jars from posts that look almost completely white... Are my cakes close enough? After that, within the next few days the rest will be at 100% so another week and my jars will be ready to go in the fc.
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I would wait until they are 100%, then give them a couple days to make sure the center of them is colonized. If any uncolonized brf goes into your tub you may end up with a contaminant. Also 100% is more spawn, more spawn higher yeald and faster colonization of bulk substrate.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22128653 - 08/22/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wait a week after 100% white for consolidation Birth if you see pins.
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If you're using your brf cakes to spawn to bulk, you don't need to wait a week after full colonization of the cakes. However, you should wait a week after full colonization of the bulk substrate before exposing to fruiting conditions. The reason is to allow the mycelium time to consolidate its hold on the substrate before exposing to the drying conditions of fruiting. If you expose to fruiting conditions early, the mycelium will just sit there for that week anyway, so it's best to keep it sealed up so it isn't losing moisture.
That week of waiting applies to easy to grow species such as P cubensis and P ostreatus. If you're growing shiitake, it helps to wait a full month and sometimes two months after full colonization, depending on strain. Exposing to fruiting early also causes those mutant 'blobs' that are all stem material and no cap.
I wasn't mad at anybody in this thread.  RR
There is no reason to keep colonizing mycelium in the dark. Normal room light has no effect on anything during the colonization phase. I've proved that by many years of colonizing jars at room temperature and exposed to normal room lighting from the day of inoculation.
Consolidation is the part of the process where the mycelium has finished 'colonizing' the substrate, but has not had had time to digest enough of the food to be able to fruit readily. This is the reason for leaving brf in the jars for a week past full colonization. If you birth right away at full colonization, they won't fruit for a week anyway, so may as well leave them in the jars during that time so they're not drying out.
The above assumes that your jars colonized very fast in a properly prepared substrate that remained contaminant free. Obviously if the jars took two months to colonize, and/or there's bacteria in the jars, they could even start fruiting invitro prior to full colonization.
Stamets also explains the idea of consolidation in his books. It's not necessary with grains if you're going to be spawning to bulk or using for grain to grain transfers, but you do need to wait for full colonization. However, with pf cakes and other bulk substrates, it helps to wait some time after full colonization before initiating fruiting conditions. Doing so results in more prolific flushes. Failure to do so with some of the harder to grow edibles such as P nameko and Shiitake sometimes results in no flush at all. RR
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
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I was under the impression that I didn't need to wait for the cakes that would be used in the monotub to consolidate for a week Quote:
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If you're using your brf cakes to spawn to bulk, you don't need to wait a week after full colonization of the cakes.
I just thought with how fast the six jars are colonizing that they would be ready to be crumbled and put in the mono within the next few days. Then the other 18 jars would be closer to 100% and would consolidate while the monotub is colonizing. My bad, these 10 hr shifts 6 days a week are just wreaking havoc on my brain. I'll wait just to be sure.
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Sorry, didn't see you were spawning to bulk
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: taGyo]
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lol, I figured you just didn't see that part, it's all good brotha
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22138382 - 08/25/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So my jars that are going into the mono are at 100%. I took the lid off of the big jar in the kitchen and it smelled like mushrooms and socks. I opened it because it slowed down and I wanted to see if just the inside was colonizing. I read this can be baccilus. There was one giant mycelium ball sitting on top of some brf . I should have taken pictures but didn't. It almost looked like a white colored mold on the myc ball, it packed down and picked up some verm when I rolled it around. It could have been myceliumIs baccilus a really bad thing? Do I need to clean everything. I don't exactly know what it is.
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Well my mono is all finished.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: cronicr]
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Looking good man! A tub that size could have used a few more cakes, but it should be fine. I wouldn't worry too much about that contam jar, just pitch it. Once cakes are 100% the myc is strong and contamination resistant. You just don't want something nasty throwing spores and affecting future grows.
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gonna make me blush lol, thanks bro
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I tossed it and put in 11 cakes. I couldn't find my cheese grater so I had to crumble as small as possible by hand. The last 2 I was reluctant to put in just because there was still a small strip of brf/verm at the bottom of the jars, but it was very close to 100% anyways. All the 1/2 pt jars I opened didn't have any smell other than fresh mushrooms so hopefully all is well. So with only 11 jars(2.75qts) am I looking at a much longer time for colonization?
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No you're good, I was thinking you only used the 6.
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I just took a peak through the lid when I got home from work and as I was looking through i got a whiff of the tub and it smells like coir and Lysol. I used Lysol wipes about 1-1.5hrs before I mixed in the sub. Could it be that not all of the Lysol evaporated out? Can it harm my tub?
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lysol is not good, but that small of an amount prob won't hurt
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newshroomer123 said: I just took a peak through the lid when I got home from work and as I was looking through i got a whiff of the tub and it smells like coir and Lysol. I used Lysol wipes about 1-1.5hrs before I mixed in the sub. Could it be that not all of the Lysol evaporated out? Can it harm my tub?
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: cronicr]
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Update: b+ tub How's it looking? I see a few small spots where condensation on the plastic liner is starting to condense and settle on top of some of the myc. No contam areas so far.
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Perfectly normal, looking good
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Beads of moisture all along that sub?
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This is what I was talking about, it's a few big blobs randomly on the myc. The harder I look the more I find.
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 There is a lot of water in this tub. Is that normal during colonization. When I made the mono I boiled 4.25 qts to account for some EVAP from boiling. There is also a couple odd spots in between the liner and tub.
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Nothing to worry about, just condensation from a temp difference between the inside of the tub and outside (mycelium puts off heat). It's in between the liner and tub, if it worries you too much make a small hole, drain it and put some heavy tape back over it. What's it looking like from the top now?
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
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To me it looks exactly the same, probably just me being impatient though.
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It's where you see it all the time, I can tell a difference between the pics from a couple days ago. It's looking good, I'm excited for you bro! Mushrooms will teach you patience, lol they definitely do things on their time. Are you planning to case? And if so with what?
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I was considering it, but after searching here and Google I honestly have no idea what would be best to case with.
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Franks jiffy mix casing tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18880716#18880716 you don't have to case cubes but it is very beneficial. You can also use left over coir/verm
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If I was to do the jiffy mix how would I pasturize without a pc? Could I do it the same way I pasturized the coir/verm for the mono? Or would steam sterilization in the jars be fine?
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You can use jiffy mix straight out the bag without pasteurization, just hydrated.
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Oh I thought it said to pasturize. Now what are your thoughts on fruiting immediately after casing vs waiting to colonize a bit.
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About a 1/2 inch of jiffy mix as even as possible. After casing, I would wait till around 30% of casing is colonized or myc is poking through most of it. You can patch any un even spots for a more even pin set but not necessary.
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some jiffy comes pre-pasteurized I believe, but most of them will need to be pasteurized. they do however come pre-limed (at least the ones I've seen, cant say 100% so read the label first).
and you dont need a PC to pasteurize, you just need a big pot. a PC can be used as a big pot tho, and its usually the biggest one us mush culters have.
keep core temps at 140-160F for 60-90 mins, frank also has a great write up on pasteurizing in his How Frank does his shit list.
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Some good info there spacechildo If you want to pasteurize, just make sure not to go over around 160 for any length of time, sterilization will cause more harm than good. A lot of people use it straight out of the bag though including some TC's Quote:
PussyFart said: Jiffy Mix works just fine straight out of the bag as well.
No sterilization/pasteurization, just out of the bag and hydrated.
Here's another good link on pasteurization: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=11855283&page=0&vc=1#11855283 also you don't have to case if you don't want to, personal preference, much debate on the subject.
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 Well guess it's time to birth.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: Shroom702]
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 Here they are. I was able to birth this cake and keep the pins on, they are hanging on by thin whisps of myc. Fingers crossed that they will thrive. They were starting to poke through the dry verm layer.
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All my tall jars pinned in vitro before they were birthed and all of them aborted, but a few days later they were covered in pins, so don't be too bummed if they don't make it. Sometimes they can turn into some big mushrooms, could go either way. You dunk those for 24 hours?
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
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I only dunked for a little over six hours.
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You may not feel like re dunking those for 18 more hours and re-rolling them, but if you compare the weight of those to cakes that have been dunked for 24, you can feel the difference. Mushrooms are around 90% water, so the longer dunk is preferred. But I guess six is better than none. You got the roll part down, those are covered nicely in verm.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
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Might as well. Just put them in again.
My mono seems to have hyphal knots unless I'm mistaken, everywhere. The sub doesn't seem close to 100% is that a sign of contam?

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It's just the top of the sub as far as I can tell. Looking at the sides of the tub I'd guess 30-50%.
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how poorly did you mix the spawn and sub? looking at the pic that does seem to be knotting so I'd go ahead and fruit it. post some pics of the sides, maybe something weird is going on?
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I broke 8 cakes down by hand as small as I could, put the top layer on so it wouldn't be exposed, decided that I'd through in a few extra cakes so after mixing again I didn't have a top layer. I haven't seen any weird spots or anything. I only lifted the lid a total of 3 times for about 1 minute total to snap a quick picture. I only opened it far enough to get my hand in.
 The first picture is the short side with the handle, 2nd is the long side.
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I cant really see much in the picture but I'd still fruit it. its knotting up and everything, it tells you it wanna fruit.
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Mono has been put into fruiting, and cakes have been re-dunked and rolled.
 The last pic is of the pins from that jar. Also no noticable smell besides fresh mushies, and I could see the side of the sub since it shrunk and it does look more colonized than what I thought. Probably closer to 75-85% though. Cased with field capacity wet verm. Super stoked.
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Congratulations on your first fruits!
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
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 I think I found a contam. The pictures might not show it but, it just doesn't look right, it has a brown colored liquid around it. It's getting side pins even with a liner. Nothing poking through the top yet.
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Taken this morning. Looks like they have tripled in size
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they grow fast, those will be decent size, still got some growing to do. Keep a watch on that spot in your tub, it may fill in.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
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Alright So I was wondering what to do if the shrooms in the pics above get too heavy for the cake? Its growing kind of funny and it seems heavy and it tipped my cake over. I repositioned it, but when I birthed that jar the pins were barely hanging on to some small whisps of myc. Also, can a few huge fruits "drain" the cakes and just give off smaller mushrooms the rest of the time? I also had a cap split, I think I read that is normal, what's the likelihood that it will just abort?
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When I done them on there side like that I positioned the perlite to keep them from tipping. Sometimes you will get a couple big mushrooms or several smaller ones. Pick them individually when the veil starts to tear or right after to prevent a spore drop. As soon as you pick all the fruits on a cake dunk again for 24 hours and wait for the next pin set. The one in the far back in the first pic will probably be ready to pick when you wake up just looking at how the veil is stretching. The split cap should keep growing.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
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It is already partially torn now so I am going to pick it.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
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Wet weight is 15.3g for the largest, 14.4g for the next and I had to pick the smaller mushroom because it was attached to the big shroom 2.7g.
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B+ tub pinset.
 It has some crazy side pins, a few clusters, and a couple growing off myc on the liner.
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newshroomer123
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What is the lifespan of a lc ? I made one with a piece of the inside stem of a giant golden teacher Sunday night and has been store in a dark closet.
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NDStepp84
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Wait until you have a healthy cloud of myc and store it in the fridge, should be good for a few years
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22245816 - 09/16/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It has been five days, my monotub doesn't seem to want to have a second flush. It has tiny pins but they haven't grown at all over the last 2 days. How long should it take until I see a second flush.
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NDStepp84
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Should be any time. after your fist flush, if you haven't already, give it a misting.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22248543 - 09/16/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did a heavy misting the morning after I harvested, then I don't know how much later(possibly the next day, been a lot of 3hrs of sleep nights) I dunked for four hours, drained, patched the hole, and have been waiting and have listed a couple times since. I read with coir some people only get 1 flush. Could it just be done?
Edited by newshroomer123 (09/16/15 09:59 PM)
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NDStepp84
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It could be a few days or over a week, I wouldn't count it out yet, you could get a few more good flushes. If those pins don't abort they will grow. Only reason to pitch the tub is if it gets over ran with contams.
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: NDStepp84]
#22248777 - 09/16/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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A couple days late but this was the first flush of a GT tub minus a couple huge shrooms I got prints off of and the giant one I made the lc from.
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Good job bro!
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Re: 1st grow log. B+ and GT [Re: Darkhome]
#22248871 - 09/16/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll be putting a GT print up on the marketplace to give back to the community.
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NDStepp84
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Nice
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