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an experiment (finale)
    #22078315 - 08/11/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So, I went out this morning, approached my cows:

and I collected about a quart of squeezed out manure from them-they are very well trained cows and only drop manure that has already been composted. I then took this manure into the house, fired up the pc, and sterilized the stuff for an hour. This evening, being as sterile as I could be, using flame and alcohol, I mixed a quart of cube spawn into the manure. First I used a spoon to mix, but soon switched to using my alcohol-wiped bare hands because the spoon wasn't up to working the clots of manure--they had a very fibrous, grassy texture and needed to be grasped and pulled and teased apart.

When I had amalgamated the spawn and the manure as thoroughly as I could--i.e., when I got tired of further fooling with it--I put a lid on the 4 quart tupperware container and set it aside to do what it would do.

Do I have a chance of success here or no? Anybody? Or have I just pissed into a hurricane?


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Re: an experiment [Re: champinhom]
    #22078334 - 08/11/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sterilizing manure is kind of like.... uh...how to say... if an inner city restaurant put a "free buffet" sign outside.

But... since I know your cows aren't real cows... I don't know what will happen with that.


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Re: an experiment [Re: Inocuole]
    #22078466 - 08/11/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm guessing you pissed into a hurricane...


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Re: an experiment [Re: 2shoes]
    #22078489 - 08/11/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ummm they gonna turn out nasty as fuck :puke:


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Re: an experiment [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22078507 - 08/11/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I suggest colonized rye grain > CVG with a jiffy casing in a mono. :shrug:


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Re: an experiment [Re: Inocuole]
    #22078518 - 08/11/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Sterilizing manure is kind of like.... uh...how to say... if an inner city restaurant put a "free buffet" sign outside.

But... since I know your cows aren't real cows... I don't know what will happen with that.




Yes, I know about that. That is why I went the sterile procedure route. I forget to mention that I did this mixing in a still air box. My one concern is the fact that my bare hands got into the act.


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Re: an experiment [Re: champinhom]
    #22078524 - 08/11/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well, only time will tell.


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Re: an experiment [Re: 2shoes]
    #22078530 - 08/11/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm guessing you pissed into a hurricane...




I went into this wearing my raincoat.


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Re: an experiment [Re: champinhom]
    #22078560 - 08/11/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not trying to hate on you mane.... but I see no use of pasteurization which concerns me.

Sterilized poo isn't what you want from my experience.


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Re: an experiment [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22078561 - 08/11/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ummm they gonna turn out nasty as fuck :puke:




I hear you. It's a whistle in the dark, I know. The things I do for sceince!


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Re: an experiment [Re: 2shoes]
    #22078564 - 08/11/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's not really poo guys.  It's composted grass.  His cows are bags of composting shit that sit in those pots in the sun all the time or whatever.  He's explained this in another thread a while back.


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Re: an experiment [Re: Inocuole]
    #22078575 - 08/11/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you did any amount of mixing in a still air box then congrats, you mixed in a bunch of contams.

Surely that much movement, even while wearing a raincoat, has fukked ya


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Re: an experiment [Re: 2shoes]
    #22078577 - 08/11/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Not trying to hate on you mane.... but I see no use of pasteurization which concerns me.

Sterilized poo isn't what you want from my experience.




Yeah. That's where the gamble comes in. Too bad pasteurization is even more a pain in the ass than sterilization.


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Re: an experiment [Re: Inocuole]
    #22078582 - 08/11/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ummm they gonna turn out nasty as fuck :puke:




I hear you. It's a whistle in the dark, I know. The things I do for sceince!




Its not science. Its a foregone conclusion. Even if you managed somehow to keep everything sterile which I really doubt, you never leeched the manure. Its now loaded with ammonia.

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It's not really poo guys.  It's composted grass.  His cows are bags of composting shit that sit in those pots in the sun all the time or whatever.  He's explained this in another thread a while back.




Still sounds like fail. I wouldn't sterilize composed grass, straw, manure, coffee, or anything but verm coir and gypsum if its going to be exposed to air at all.


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Re: an experiment [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22078597 - 08/11/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

True but it probably won't have the ammonia problem you mentioned at least. :lol:


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Re: an experiment [Re: Inocuole]
    #22078604 - 08/11/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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True but it probably won't have the ammonia problem you mentioned at least. :lol:




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Re: an experiment [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22078611 - 08/11/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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True but it probably won't have the ammonia problem you mentioned at least. :lol:




Glass half full today?




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Re: an experiment [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22079188 - 08/11/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)






Its not science. Its a foregone conclusion. Even if you managed somehow to keep everything sterile which I really doubt, you never leeched the manure. Its now loaded with ammonia.
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Well, it is not like this hasn't been done before. I know it has, becasue I did it--only not with straight manure-grass, but with a combo of straw and manure-grass. But I sterilized that time too. And that time it worked.I have some pics of that grow. Here is one of them. This is of probably the third flush. I wish I had pics of the first one--looked like Times Square on New Year's Eve.


Still and all, I agree. It is not exactly science. If it pans out, there will be a lot of luck involved. But, come to think of it, isn't there a lot of luck involved with science too? I mean, we have penicillin and LSD because of somebody's  dumb luck--maybe not, however, as dumb as this is, I admit.

PS The cubes in that photo make that tub look smaller than it was--it was a pretty good size, but those fruits were as big as bowling pins.


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Re: an experiment [Re: champinhom] * 1
    #22079224 - 08/11/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Don't take this the wrong way but that looks contamed to hell. If you want to sterilize substrates like poo or straw you can, just don't spawn with em. I do bottle subs a la Muda bottles with poo and the like, get excellent returns with em.

Grain coir hpoo worm castings bottles:



Straw and flour pp5 containers



There are better ways to get good results :thumbup:


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Re: an experiment [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22079470 - 08/12/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't take this the wrong way but that looks contamed to hell. If you want to sterilize substrates like poo or straw you can, just don't spawn with em. I do bottle subs a la Muda bottles with poo and the like, get excellent returns with em.

Grain coir hpoo worm castings bottles:



Straw and flour pp5 containers



There are better ways to get good results :thumbup:




Those are bottles are beautiful.

Yes, that sub did get contaminated finally. That one corner has been cut away because of mold. But still, it did produce. I confess, I like your bottles better and will defintely look into that approach.


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Re: an experiment [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22081941 - 08/12/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't take this the wrong way but that looks contamed to hell. If you want to sterilize substrates like poo or straw you can, just don't spawn with em. I do bottle subs a la Muda bottles with poo and the like, get excellent returns with em.

:thumbup:




I just read through Muda's Bottle Tek. I think that is the way for me to go. I will have to adapt it here and there but for the most part I can use it as it has been laid out by its namesake.  The great beauty of the Muda Tek is it allows you to use a bulk substrate without bulk spawning. Ergo, no need to pasteurize.


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Re: an experiment [Re: champinhom]
    #22092757 - 08/14/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So, it has been three days since I began this experiment. The rye berries used for spawning the grass-manure have regained their white fuzzy demeanor. They look better than ever. But, somehow, they have not been able to communicate any of this to the manure. It has not even begun to be myceliated. It is virgin. Segregation reigns supreme.It's as if the manure is wax coated. If the manure is contamnated, the contamination certainly isn't having any effect on the health of the mushroom fungus growing on the spawn berries.


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Re: an experiment [Re: champinhom]
    #22092792 - 08/14/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

pasteurizing is not very hard at all and if you do the double bucket its too easy.

you can pasteurize good amounts of poo quickly especially if you have several buckets.

the only time it ever failed me was when i doubled my recipe without upping the water temps so i dont think it got up to temp and everything trich'd out.

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Re: an experiment [Re: Mdahmer]
    #22092967 - 08/14/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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pasteurizing is not very hard at all and if you do the double bucket its too easy.

you can pasteurize good amounts of poo quickly especially if you have several buckets.

the only time it ever failed me was when i doubled my recipe without upping the water temps so i dont think it got up to temp and everything trich'd out.

search mudafuka and double bucket if you wanna see it explained




Thanks for the tip.I found the tek you are talking about. Looks good. I am going to give it a try. I have two of those buckets--don't have a lid but that can be improvised.I will post in this thread my next attempt.


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Re: an experiment [Re: champinhom]
    #22093114 - 08/14/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you live near a Wal-Mart, the lids are only $4. I'm just saying that because it's probably better so that it maintains temperature properly.


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    #22095225 - 08/15/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If you live near a Wal-Mart, the lids are only $4. I'm just saying that because it's probably better so that it maintains temperature properly.




I will check that out.  I used to be able to get those 5 gallon buckets by the carload for nothing--there was a factory near where I lived at the time that discarded them after emptying them of the chemicals they contained. Probably today that same factory is selling those buckets to Walmart and Homedepot.


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Re: an experiment (surprising new development) [Re: champinhom]
    #22095378 - 08/15/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Here is what I posted 18 hours ago:

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So, it has been three days since I began this experiment. The rye berries used for spawning the grass-manure have regained their white fuzzy demeanor. They look better than ever. But, somehow, they have not been able to communicate any of this to the manure. It has not even begun to be myceliated. It is virgin. Segregation reigns supreme.It's as if the manure is wax coated. If the manure is contamnated, the contamination certainly isn't having any effect on the health of the mushroom fungus growing on the spawn berries.




The above quote is based on what I have been observing in a quart mason jar full of grass-manure that was spawned with colonized rye berries going on 4 days ago. The quart jar was an after thought--most of the grass-manure I had sterilized for my project went into a bread-loaf sized tupperware container together with most of a quart of colonized rye berries. The stuff in the jar is the overflow from the tupperware--it could not hold as much as I had to give it.I then put the tupper in the garage and kept the glass jar in the considerably cooler house. I have been gauging the progress of the colonization/lack thereof by checking what was going on in the jar, which, as my post of about 18 hours ago stated, was basically nada. The rye berries had come back wonderully but had not spread the love to any of the grass-manure.

It was as though the mycelium was holding out its right hand, but the manure was looking the other way.

About half an hour ago I went into the garage for something. While in there, on a whim, I took the tupperware container out of the bin where I'd stowed it and gave it a close look. Lo!, the story it told is completely different from the one being told by the jar. There is a LOT of work being done in that tupper. The grass is getting into the act. The white wave is advancing. I think I may have a winner here after all. I will get a pic of this and post it--my phone is charging even now.

Anyway, I am as surprised as anybody.


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Re: an experiment (surprising new development) [Re: champinhom]
    #22095480 - 08/15/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Here are some pics:




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Re: an experiment (conclusion) [Re: champinhom]
    #22122080 - 08/21/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This will be the last pic I will be posting on this subject. The Tupperware container is now completely  colonized--against all odds!

I think I owe my good fortune to the almost contamination-proof nature of composted grass clipping manure--at least if it is composted in the manner indicated in the OP. Even when sterilized and picked apart bare-handedly it will come through for you--what a guy!



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Re: an experiment (conclusion) [Re: champinhom]
    #22122127 - 08/21/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just a note that often contamination will often not show up until you have introduced fruiting conditions. Full colonization is byno means a success to this. You should continue to update until the first flush is in hand.


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    #22122229 - 08/21/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Just a note that often contamination will often not show up until you have introduced fruiting conditions. Full colonization is byno means a success to this. You should continue to update until the first flush is in hand.



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    #22122236 - 08/21/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22123678 - 08/21/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Just a note that often contamination will often not show up until you have introduced fruiting conditions. Full colonization is byno means a success to this. You should continue to update until the first flush is in hand.




Anything less is a cop out and proves that this doesn't work.


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    #22124444 - 08/21/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Just a note that often contamination will often not show up until you have introduced fruiting conditions. Full colonization is byno means a success to this. You should continue to update until the first flush is in hand.




Fair enough. I will case this little tub in a few days and see what it can do. Results will be posted here.


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    #22184525 - 09/03/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So, about 10 days ago I cased my tub of sterilized grass manure spawned with colonized rye berries--the manure being pulled and teased apart with the bare hands of the grower (hands that had been rubbed with 91% alcohol, mind you)and then tumbled up thoroughly with the rye. This thread tells the whole breath taking tale. Anyway, I waited while the casing got taken hold of by the mycelium and then put the tub into a fruiting chamber--really just a tote fitted out like a monotub with a couple of quarts of 10% peroxide water in the bottom. Here is what it looks like 10 days after casing:



It smells as good as it looks.

Here is a pic of a half a quart jar of left over sub--after I had mixed the grass manure and the rye berries together I had too much substrate for the tupperware tub--the pulled apart grass manure got very fluffy and space consuming--so I put the excess in the jar the rye berries had just vacated. This is the same age as the sub in the tupperware, but has not been cased:



This too has an immaculate whiff to it.

So, so far so good. I will update when the flush shows up in force.


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    #22184547 - 09/03/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

70% isopropyl is significantly better for all sanitation needs.  91% is too anhydrous to effectively permeate cells.


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    #22184614 - 09/03/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well I won't be recommending this to anyone. . .ever. However I am glad ya got some fruits in the end :thumbup:


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70% isopropyl is significantly better for all sanitation needs.  91% is too anhydrous to effectively permeate cells.



  Interesting, can I dilute 91% with distilled water?


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70% isopropyl is significantly better for all sanitation needs.  91% is too anhydrous to effectively permeate cells.



  Interesting, can I dilute 91% with distilled water?




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70% isopropyl is significantly better for all sanitation needs.  91% is too anhydrous to effectively permeate cells.




I have now replaced the 91% alki with the 70%. I must say, an alcohol lamp fueled with 70% is not up to one fueled with 91%.


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    #22184841 - 09/03/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do yourself a solid and get a blowtorch. Way faster.


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Well I won't be recommending this to anyone. . .ever. However I am glad ya got some fruits in the end :thumbup:




I admit I have been lucky so far--but I think my luck is being supported by the nature of the material I am using here for substrate. Grass composted in the manner described in the OP seems to be remarkably resistant to contamination, whether it be sterilized or pasteurized. I actually can't talk about what it does when pasteurized because the two times I have used it, it was sterilized. But I have a feeling that if I just grabbed it right out of the trash bag where  I composted it, and then mixed it with spawn, it would still come through like it has done so far here.


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    #22184918 - 09/03/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Do yourself a solid and get a blowtorch. Way faster.




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Well I won't be recommending this to anyone. . .ever. However I am glad ya got some fruits in the end :thumbup:




I admit I have been lucky so far--but I think my luck is being supported by the nature of the material I am using here for substrate. Grass composted in the manner described in the OP seems to be remarkably resistant to contamination, whether it be sterilized or pasteurized. I actually can't talk about what it does when pasteurized because the two times I have used it, it was sterilized. But I have a feeling that if I just grabbed it right out of the trash bag where  I composted it, and then mixed it with spawn, it would still come through like it has done so far here.




Well you should do some controlled experiments. Something working twice does not make it a good idea. Prove why it works. Do a controlled experiment :thumbup:


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Re: an experiment (finale) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22257740 - 09/18/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Well you should do some controlled experiments. Something working twice does not make it a good idea. Prove why it works. Do a controlled experiment :thumbup:




I agree. I am putting up another mini tub with slight variations in technique.

Meanwhile, I am concluding this thread with some pics of the first two flushes form this tub of grass manure sub:
This is flush one:


Here is a pic of the early stage of flush two:


and here is a pic of flush two in its maturity:


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