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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22078498 - 08/11/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't disagree but the guys the government forced to pay millions of dollars for the license to operate taxis are getting fucked and I think Uber should have to play by the same rules.




can app services be officially regulated...probably not.

Uber can probably be run from someone's basement...how can you regulate that?

PS: i have not heard of Uber 'til today, so i have no idea wtf i am talking about.

PPS: of course Zappa, you have a point, BTW.


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22078503 - 08/11/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Cabbies in the city turn down smaller fares all the time. I don't think those companies deserve to complain about Uber. There's a void and it's being filled.




Actually the fares they most often turn down are to the outer boroughs.  And it's illegal to do so.  They love the small fares in Manhattan becasue they start with a flat fee.  They make more money per hour if they go 1 block than they do if they go to Queens.



We don't have flat fees as far as I know, at least in a lot of areas. I've been turned down in London, and I read a thing in the paper about how a recent shooting could have been prevented if a cabbie didn't deny them a $10 fare. Then it explained there's been a ton of complaints about it. I'm assuming flat fees are more common in NYC because of the traffic and the price of gas.


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22078583 - 08/11/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The government sets the rates the taxis can charge in NYC




Lol for real? Well whatever the case, the rates are utterly ridiculous regardless of who sets them

I can call a cab here in Dallas right now and go 10 miles down the highway, and it'll run me $20 and they'll want a tip. I can call Uber and go the same distance and they'll charge me half that and expect no tip.

Once I took a cab from LAX and was going to a hotel that was 7 miles from the airport. It was rush hour. We sat there in bumper to bumper traffic as I watched the meter climb to $80 fucking dollars, lmao. To go 7 miles. Now I get that they deserve some compensation for their time, but $80 for a 7 mile one way trip? :rofl:

Thankfully that was on my job's dime and not mine. And I'm sure that cocksucker knew what he was doing too by getting stuck in freeway rush hour traffic -- pretty sure going the back way woulda got us there a lot faster, but ugh, whatever.

I'm just really, REALLY not a fan of taxis.


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #22078603 - 08/11/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No matter what you wouldn't see any supercar drivers welcoming random passengers into their rides for pennies, but if I was gonna use it I would at least want a comfortable ride in a full size car or suv like cabbies drive


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: geffer]
    #22078630 - 08/11/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Uber are not only cheaper but in my opinion have always been friendlier people. Almost all cabs I've taken neglect a few the cab driver has been a burnt out asshole.

Uber doesn't allow tipping because it all done via the digital system. They the majority of the fare. There's no need to tip. I've tipped before because I was drunk but that's up to you.

Cabs are 9/10 ripping you the fuck off. I can't tell you how many times I've taken a cab and watched the cab driver hit the fare meter up because he thought I wasn't watching.

Comparison in distance. I took a Uber to this beach on vacation 12$... couldn't get one back and called yellow cab 15$+change then tippped. so 20$..


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: Gorlax]
    #22078681 - 08/11/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Im about to take an uber for the first time now.

I refuse not to tip, though. Tipping is a tradition and i wont break it.

I doubt theyll complain about getting ten bucks


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: JvF]
    #22078705 - 08/11/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It depends on the person. They can't really take tips because they aren't declared as income. Most people would take it but if you get someone who's kinda paranoid they might not want it. It's weird I've had some of them explain to me the tipping thing and why I shouldn't tip so go for it. I would take it.


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22079652 - 08/12/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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In NYC it costs about a million dollars to get a taxi medallion and they are limited.  They are heavily regulated.  Uber is unfair competition and should have to play by the same rules as everybody else in the ride for hire industry.





atlanta is similar, the medallian isnt as costly but your company has to have a
$5 million bond for liability in addition to insurance for transportation, in
the even that the uber driver gets you hurt, you could very well be fucked
because the car owner's insurance company may decide that they arent liable
since the operator was running an unlicensed transport service, of course
that's not the only sort of liability, cabbies also have to pass a background
check while all uber drivers are required to have is a car, phone and a license


Uber has also started something called surge pricing, something they're trying
to get a patent on, this allows them to charge a far higher price during
certain events and holidays, the cost can be 4 to 7 times their normal rates.
the normal rates arent much lower than a regular taxi rate which remains
consistent regardless of what's going on. now imagine the taxi that charges
$1.50/mile will be that throughout the year including new years eve and other
'drinking' holidays and uber charges $1.25/mile but on some days that rate is
$10/mile, the driver of course still only makes his hourly rate and isnt tipped
while your card is charged a much higher rate than you'd normally see, now with
the company making millions each day, the driver earning about $15/hr and
paying for his own insurance while the company banks it all and doesnt pay out
shit for insurance and all these anti-capitalist fucktards using uber thinking
they're actually helping some little guy earn money, lol

Uber also acts like the church of scientology, they have a team of people that
look into the backgrounds and personal lives of anyone that publishes  negative
articles and shit about them and then dump that info where it will do the most
damage to the author

Uber is a bunch of sleezy dickheads that are fucking a lot of people in an
effort to get richer... normally I wouldnt have an issue with a company
providing competition and making money but the playing field needs to be on the
same level for everyone


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22079659 - 08/12/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Uber are swell, and not absolute dickholes at all.


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22079673 - 08/12/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck stinky taxis, I prefer Uber!


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22079681 - 08/12/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

fuck people, they'll abandon all ideas of good conscious for...for slightly more comfort/money.


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: Niffla]
    #22079709 - 08/12/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Niffla said:
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zappaisgod said:
The government sets the rates the taxis can charge in NYC




Lol for real? Well whatever the case, the rates are utterly ridiculous regardless of who sets them

I can call a cab here in Dallas right now and go 10 miles down the highway, and it'll run me $20 and they'll want a tip. I can call Uber and go the same distance and they'll charge me half that and expect no tip.

Once I took a cab from LAX and was going to a hotel that was 7 miles from the airport. It was rush hour. We sat there in bumper to bumper traffic as I watched the meter climb to $80 fucking dollars, lmao. To go 7 miles. Now I get that they deserve some compensation for their time, but $80 for a 7 mile one way trip? :rofl:

Thankfully that was on my job's dime and not mine. And I'm sure that cocksucker knew what he was doing too by getting stuck in freeway rush hour traffic -- pretty sure going the back way woulda got us there a lot faster, but ugh, whatever.

I'm just really, REALLY not a fan of taxis.




somehow you think that uber operates a little differently?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2015/05/19/no-uber-drivers-cant-game-the-surge-pricing-system-the-way-one-driver-claims/

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It is, Uber says, supply and demand in its most basic form: When drivers are scarce, and demand is high, prices go up.

That's good for drivers who are now being paid less on the Uber base rate since the company began dropping prices to beat the competition and generate demand. And it can be good for those who are desperate for a ride — and are willing to pay.

Critics say that surge pricing can result in truly absurd fares at peak times, and the company admitted making a misstep by allowing surge pricing to go into effect in the middle a natural disaster.






http://www.quora.com/How-much-does-Uber-charge-passengers-for-a-ride

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uberX: "The low-cost Uber" seats 4. In San Francisco the fare is $2.20 plus $0.26 per minute plus $1.30 per mile. In New York City the fare is $3 plus $0.40 per minute plus $2.15 per mile.

uberXL: Seats 6. In San Francisco the fare is $5 plus $0.45 per minute plus $2.15 per mile. In New York City the fare is $4.50 plus $0.60 per minute plus $3.25 per mile.

uberTAXI: A normal taxi ride, except requests and payment are done via Uber. You pay standard cab fare, plus an automatic 20% gratuity, plus a $1 booking fee.

UberBLACK: A chauffeured (certified limo) sedan that seats 4. In San Francisco the fare is $8 plus $0.65 per minute plus $3.75 per mile. In New York City the fare is $7 plus $0.65 per minute plus $3.75 per mile.

UberSUV: A chauffeured (certified limo) SUV that seats 6. In San Francisco the fare is $15 plus $0.90 per minute plus $3.75 per mile. In New York City the fare is $7 plus $0.65 per minute plus $3.75 per mile.

In Los Angeles, there is also the UberLUX service which is another tier up from UberBLACK. There, the fare is $20 plus $0.60 per minute plus $5 per mile (versus $8 plus $0.45 per minute plus $3.55 per mile for UberBLACK).




now, Uber says they pay out 80% to the drivers, let's do the math, since you
didnt give a time for your waiting I'll assume based on the price that you were
in traffic for 1.75 hours with the uberXL

$15 = miles traveled
$58 = time sitting
$5 = pickup/booking fee

the total on this is $78, it doesnt seem like it's that much cheaper but do you
think that driver is making the $80 when uber says they make as much as $16.50
per hour. that driver would have been making $62 if he's earning 80% of the
fare, that's better than $30/hr... as the next uber driver how much he's
actually earning because I'm willing to be with the new lower driver pay it's
not even close to the $16/hr


oh, I almost forgot, the peak pricing scale, rush hour would put a shortage of
cars out there capable of picking up passengers, well since we know that uber
is charging as much as 7x the standard rate, we will only double it. your $78
fare just became $156... that's a bit more than your $80 by almost double, how
much of that do you think would go to the uber driver



yeah... fuck uber


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22079715 - 08/12/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
Uber are swell, and not absolute dickholes at all.




so you still support rapists, murderers and pedophiles

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/04/more-bad-news-for-uber-driver-arrested-in-los-angeles-rape-case.html

here's a more comprehensive list

http://www.whosdrivingyou.org/rideshare-incidents


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22079732 - 08/12/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Taxis are gross and stinky. I would rather save money with Uber and feel good about my purchase.


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22079735 - 08/12/15 02:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:

Uber has also started something called surge pricing, something they're trying
to get a patent on, this allows them to charge a far higher price during
certain events and holidays, the cost can be 4 to 7 times their normal rates.
the normal rates arent much lower than a regular taxi rate which remains
consistent regardless of what's going on. now imagine the taxi that charges
$1.50/mile will be that throughout the year including new years eve and other
'drinking' holidays and uber charges $1.25/mile but on some days that rate is
$10/mile, the driver of course still only makes his hourly rate and isnt tipped
while your card is charged a much higher rate than you'd normally see, now with
the company making millions each day, the driver earning about $15/hr and
paying for his own insurance while the company banks it all and doesnt pay out
shit for insurance and all these anti-capitalist fucktards using uber thinking
they're actually helping some little guy earn money, lol






Unfair for the driver, sure, but he's aware of that going in. If he's okay with it, then why should it bother me?

Quote:

Uber also acts like the church of scientology, they have a team of people that look into the backgrounds and personal lives of anyone that publishes  negative articles and shit about them and then dump that info where it will do the most damage to the author

Uber is a bunch of sleezy dickheads that are fucking a lot of people in an
effort to get richer... normally I wouldnt have an issue with a company
providing competition and making money but the playing field needs to be on the
same level for everyone




Yep, does sound sleazy, but then again sleazy business practices behind the scenes...it's not like they exactly got the market cornered on that :lol:

Hell businesses who aren't sleazy seem to be the exception and not the rule these days anyways. And it's not like taxi cabs and their drivers are saints by any means. I wonder how many times a cab driver gets a tourist in his car and accidentally goes the scenic route for example?

Look, barring Uber enslaving women as sex slaves in the basement of their headquarters and chopping up the bodies of innocent taxi drivers, I really don't care what they do.

If they're going to offer me a ride at half the price (during non-peak hours) of a cab, which dude, it really is damn near half the rate of a taxi at least here in the metro Dallas area, then yeah, I'm going with them. They arrive faster by light years and are cheaper. If taxis want to get me in their cars, then by all means -- show up as quickly and drop your rates down to where Uber is at. Otherwise, sorry, I'll hit up Uber.


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22079744 - 08/12/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
Uber are swell, and not absolute dickholes at all.




so you still support rapists, murderers and pedophiles

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/04/more-bad-news-for-uber-driver-arrested-in-los-angeles-rape-case.html

here's a more comprehensive list

http://www.whosdrivingyou.org/rideshare-incidents




Wait a minute now, dude. How many Uber drivers are nation wide? Of course there's going to be some bad apples. How can you throw that blanket over every single driver nation wide :lol:

You don't think there taxi drivers out there with checkered pasts? Lol


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22079746 - 08/12/15 02:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Uber are swell, and not absolute dickholes at all.




so you still support rapists, murderers and pedophiles

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/04/more-bad-news-for-uber-driver-arrested-in-los-angeles-rape-case.html

here's a more comprehensive list

http://www.whosdrivingyou.org/rideshare-incidents



dude, i was being sarcastic...and you know what. fuck off.

you know cops have raped people...you know police have raped people ON THE JOB? so you support rapists?

serious Pris. you're so full of shit. please fuck off. fetch the posts where i support rapists, you fucking shit talker.

really, either fetch some instance where i've said somethign that supported rapists and pedophiles, or please stfu next time with that shit. i don't usually get pissed at shit around here, but this pissed me off. i'd never even advocate girls associate with dumb bro idiots, let alone advocate them getting raped nor associate in any way that that's even redeemable, the rapist getting shoved in a box and thrown off a waterfall for even thinking of doing such a thing. they should, and i would love to be the one to do it.

but seriously watch the accusatory bullshit.

Quote:

Bitter Cactus said:
Taxis are gross and stinky. I would rather save money with Uber and feel good about my purchase.



Quote:

akira_akuma said:
fuck people, they'll abandon all ideas of good conscious for...for slightly more comfort/money.





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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22079753 - 08/12/15 02:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
Quote:

Bitter Cactus said:
Taxis are gross and stinky. I would rather save money with Uber and feel good about my purchase.




Quote:

akira_akuma said:
fuck people, they'll abandon all ideas of good conscious for...for slightly more comfort/money.








I don't really want to get into a big debate, as a matter of fact I gotta log off and try to get some sleep, but I'm confused...does him (or me) opting to go with Uber because they're cheaper (and cleaner as Bitter Cactus put it) make us worse people than if we were to choose cabs as our mode of transport? Or that we have less of a conscious? I don't get this sentiment.


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: JvF]
    #22079884 - 08/12/15 04:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I drove for Uber for a while. I eventually said fuck them after a while.

Uber is great if you're a passenger. Way cheaper than a taxi and better service usually in usually a cleaner/nicer car.

Uber sucks ass as a driver now. They continually fucking shafted the drivers so hard. Fuck Uber as a company.
When it first started the drivers could make a fairly decent income from it. Now.. with all of Uber's increased cuts and fees and stupid shit... you pretty much have to drive only during surge pricing to make the same amount.. while running your own vehicle into the dirt and having to pay for all the gas/maintenance/everything.. $15/hour maybe... which turns into like 7 after maintenance, wear and tear, uber's cut and taxes are taken into account.

But yeah if you want an easy cheap ride.. there's not much better as a passenger.. be a cool dude and tip your driver though.

I think it's good it's hurting the cab companies, screw those guys. But fuck Uber too.. Shady greedy fuckheads who don't give a fuck about their drivers who are making them millions.

There's also Sidecar and Lyft.


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Re: Uber or Taxi [Re: Niffla]
    #22080151 - 08/12/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Niffla said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Quote:

Bitter Cactus said:
Taxis are gross and stinky. I would rather save money with Uber and feel good about my purchase.




Quote:

akira_akuma said:
fuck people, they'll abandon all ideas of good conscious for...for slightly more comfort/money.








I don't really want to get into a big debate, as a matter of fact I gotta log off and try to get some sleep, but I'm confused...does him (or me) opting to go with Uber because they're cheaper (and cleaner as Bitter Cactus put it) make us worse people than if we were to choose cabs as our mode of transport? Or that we have less of a conscious? I don't get this sentiment.



my statement was a general one. i don't think any less of you for something as such. i don't know you.

but i was making a point is all. a closed statement.


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