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Election fraud, it does exist
#22076428 - 08/11/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is an example, the moonbats who tell us politicians and political parties are too honest to steal votes and stuff ballot boxes need to wake up and smell the coffee. This happened in Kansas but you can multiply it by 50 states
http://boingboing.net/2015/08/10/kansas-officials-stonewall-mat.html
Kansas officials stonewall mathematician investigating voting machine "sabotage" By Cory Doctorow at 9:48 am Mon, Aug 10, 2015
Wichita State University's Beth Clarkson (who is also chief statistician of WSU's National Institute for Aviation Research) discovered "odd patterns" in Kansas electoral voting records, so she requested public docs to help her get to the bottom of things -- requests that state officials ignored, dodged, and stalled.
Clarkson's analysis of results from November 2014's election indicated that some machines had been "sabotaged," so she requested the suspect machines' paper-audit tapes (which do not record how each voter voted, merely timestamped votes with associated metadata); the election officials of Sedgwick County told her she'd have to sue them to gain access to them.
The voting machines that Sedgwick County uses have a paper record of the votes, known as Real Time Voting Machine Paper Tapes, which similar machines in Kansas and around the country do not have. Because the software is proprietary, even elections officials can’t examine it and postelection audits can’t be done, according to Pamela Smith, president of Verified Voting Foundation, a nonprofit agency whose mission is to safeguard elections in the digital age.
Clarkson asked Sedgwick County to do a recount in 2013 but the time to file had expired. She then filed an open records request, but officials refused to provide the requested documents. She filed a lawsuit but the judge said the paper records were ballots, even though they didn’t identify the voter, and thus were not subject to the state’s open records law.
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Re: Election fraud, it does exist [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#22076477 - 08/11/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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During the 2008 Election my father recieved around 30 letters in the mail.
On these letters was the 'Confirmation of Voting' basically from sending in votes by mail. There were different names of people on each letter, each person my father looked up, each person was dead, long dead.
All of these 'dead people' had voted for Obama.
I can't give you guys proof of this, but ACORN is responsible for the fraud and worked with and for Obama to do this. The head man of ACORN was sent to prison because of this but it was a definite media blackout.
Whether or not Obama would have won without fraud, he used fraud to ensure his victory. That BITCH
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Re: Election fraud, it does exist [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22080431 - 08/12/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maj, that is quite true. Obumble IS a fraud and won by fraud. Here is another story on the issue. Notice how the left wing goes silent when proof is given.
http://dailysignal.com/2015/08/11/nearly-300-cases-the-extent-of-voter-fraud-in-america/
The Heritage Foundation’s list of nearly 300 documented cases of voter fraud in the United States continues to grow.
Recent additions reveal that voter fraud is not just an individual or isolated crime; in some counties and communities, election fraud is almost a way of life.
These additions again reinforce the need for measures such as voter ID laws and procedures designed to verify the accuracy of voter registration information are needed to prevent these crimes in the first place.
Take East Chicago, IN., for example, a town made infamous by the extensive voter fraud that occurred there in the 2003 Democratic mayoral primary election.
The fraud was so pervasive that the Indiana Supreme Court overturned the results of the primary and ordered a new special election that resulted in a different winner.
A local judge found “direct, competent, and convincing evidence” that supporters of the election’s apparent victor, incumbent Mayor Robert Pastrick, orchestrated an elaborate scheme of absentee ballot fraud.
Pastrick won the primary by garnering more absentee ballot votes than his nearest opponent, George Pabey, who received more in-person votes. Once that result was overturned, a new primary election was held and Pabey prevailed.
State and local officials convened a voter fraud task force to investigate and prosecute the perpetrators of this scheme.
The task force secured 46 convictions over a few years.
Many of these would-be election thieves submitted absentee ballots despite not even living in the city of East Chicago.
Joseph Pedraza and Constance D. Simmons-Pedraza, for example, falsely claimed residence in East Chicago so they could vote there in the 2003 Democratic primary.
City employment records revealed that both actually resided in the nearby town of St. John. They pleaded guilty in 2008 to voting in a precinct where they did not live and were each sentenced to a one-year suspended prison sentence.
Larry Battle, who had a prior history of “crimes of dishonesty,” also pleaded guilty to voting outside his precinct for the election.
At his sentencing hearing, Battle’s lawyer, Willie Harris, asked the judge for leniency, pointing out that everybody was voting outside their precincts.
Unpersuaded by the “everybody was doing it” defense, the judge sentenced Battle to two years in prison.
Another defendant, Tamika Lay, echoed Harris’s sentiments, expressing frustration to the judge at her sentencing hearing at being held accountable for her fraudulent vote. “People have been doing it [fraudulent voting] for years, and all of a sudden they want to do something about it,” she lamented.
These comments indicate an extraordinary and unsettling nonchalance toward crimes that undermine the integrity of the democratic electoral process.
Moreover, they suggest that a culture of voter fraud pervades communities like East Chicago across America, to the point that voter fraud is no longer seen as an insidious and illegal activity but rather an accepted way of life.
East Chicago is certainly not the only home of systematic attempts to steal elections; another new addition to Heritage’s ever-growing list of documented voter fraud convictions is a collection of cases from Benton County, Miss., stemming from a 2007 election in which 16 individuals orchestrated an elaborate vote-buying scheme.
In Knott County, Ky., Judge Executive (the chief executive of that county) Donnie Newsome and co-conspirator Willard Smith were convicted on federal charges for organizing a conspiracy to pay several impoverished, handicapped, illiterate, or otherwise impaired persons to vote for Newsome and others by absentee ballot in the 1998 Democratic primary election.
Newsome was sentenced to 26 months in prison. Smith got a 24-month sentence.
Just a few years later, Randy Thompson became the second consecutive Knott County Judge Executive to be sent to federal prison on voter fraud charges.
A jury convicted Thompson and three co-conspirators of a vote-buying scheme that involved use of public funds.
Voter fraud also pervaded Lincoln County, W.V., over the years. Six Lincoln County Democrats pleaded guilty in 2006 to charges relating to a vote-buying conspiracy covering presidential and congressional elections dating back to 1990.
This was hardly the end of voter fraud in Lincoln County. Local public officials pleaded guilty in 2012 to falsifying absentee ballots and stuffing the ballot boxes in an effort to rig the 2010 Democratic primary. A judge overturned the results of one of the primary elections after throwing out 300 fraudulent ballots.
Justice ultimately prevailed in these cases. The fraudsters and thieves were held accountable for their crimes.
It is imperative that we root out these cultures of entrenched voter fraud in communities throughout the country.
It goes without saying that elections should be won by those who win through a fair democratic process, rather than by those with the most unethical supporters. That is why efforts to crack down on voter fraud are critical.
And though it may come as a surprise to the partisans who claim that efforts to maintain electoral integrity are sinister, there is one final lesson from the East Chicago Democratic primary: The perpetrators of voter fraud are not just committed to cheating their ideological opponents.
They’ll take out members of their own party if they have to.
Legislators and officials in states and localities across the country can and must act now.
Our posterity should not have to dream of something called a “fair election.”
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Re: Election fraud, it does exist [Re: Stonehenge]
#22080526 - 08/12/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually I've had this conversation with you before and mentioned that ballot box tampering was an issue. Unfortunately voter ID laws do nothing to prevent this. Nor does it prevent votes from not getting counted. There was a case where a woman was caught destroying 1,000s of ballots. There was another case where a man was caught dumping ballots in a dumpster. There's been several cases of electronic voting machines being manipulated as well.
In every instance I've read it's been the extreme right doing this or ballot box malfunctions that mysteriously favored a right wing candidate. People think they're doing 'God's work' by insuring pro-lifers or anti-gay officials get elected so they justify denying others their votes.
I'm not going to go through all 300 cases in the Heritage Foundation but skimming through the first 10 or so they're all absentee ballots, again not something voter ID laws will prevent. Skimming through the next 20 or so I see some other cases of running in elections where people aren't a resident of that county. I do see one case of an immigrant voting with a stolen ID.
So yes, election fraud does exist. In fact I've never denied that. Do voter ID laws prevent the type of election fraud that happens in the real world? Very very rarely.
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Re: Election fraud, it does exist [Re: Stonehenge]
#22080534 - 08/12/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh you people who think your votes matter, it's so sweet...
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pbw, its your left wing bias that makes you say its all right wingers doing it. Ever heard of mayor daley? The king of ballot stuffing? He was a dem. Both parties are guilty but its the dems who are against voter id, do the math.
There is also ballot destruction and other forms of illegal activity but requiring id is such a simple and basic thing that its amazing anyone talks against it. Perhaps they are afraid their favorite candidate won't win without cheating?
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Re: Election fraud, it does exist [Re: Ran-D]
#22080650 - 08/12/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ran-D said: Oh you people who think your votes matter, it's so sweet...
If it did matter, every US citizen wouldn't have the right to vote. Anything of value isn't given away for free, case in point.
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Re: Election fraud, it does exist [Re: qman]
#22080653 - 08/12/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said:
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Ran-D said: Oh you people who think your votes matter, it's so sweet...
If it did matter, every US citizen wouldn't have the right to vote. Anything of value isn't given away for free, case in point.
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Re: Election fraud, it does exist [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22080734 - 08/12/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know in 08 I voted 3rd party, but when the election results were published in the local paper that in the column of my candidate zero votes were attributed.
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Re: Election fraud, it does exist [Re: trscstghst]
#22087996 - 08/13/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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trs, that does not surprise me. They have no shame. In cali they are giving drivers licenses to illegal aliens and sending them ballots to vote. Here is a story about 36,000 fraudulent votes in n Carolina
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Carolina-voter-fraud-zombies/2014/04/03/id/563542/
North Carolina Identifies 36,000 Possible Voter Fraud Cases
North Carolina election officials are conducting a massive investigation into voter fraud after discovering that thousands of voters may have cast their ballots in two states during the 2012 presidential election.
The officials are also investigating the cases of dozens of "zombie voters" who appeared to have voted in the general election after their deaths.
An initial inquiry has uncovered hundreds of cases — and possibly thousands of cases — of potential fraud. And Republican legislators on an election oversight committee are now demanding a sweeping probe that could lead to criminal prosecution because double voting is a felony, according to the Charlotte Observer.
The election officials found that 765 registered North Carolina voters appeared to have voted in two states in 2012. In each case, the first and last names, dates of birth and last four digits of their Social Security numbers matched exactly with a voter registered in another unnamed state, and who voted in both states in 2012.
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