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InvisibleKurt
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Stoicism
    #22076383 - 08/11/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Here is a decent example of applying stoic logic:

http://www.livingthestoiclife.org/2013/04/what-does-live-according-to-nature.html?m=1

I don't agree with everything he says; it is just an example. What is the value of stoicism today, or for you?


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InvisibleKurt
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Re: Stoicism [Re: Kurt]
    #22077313 - 08/11/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Actually I don't like that guy's discussion at all come to think of it. :tongue:

Maybe save the question. What is it to be stoic? What is it to live according to nature, or as the Greeks said, according to physis?


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Re: Stoicism [Re: Kurt]
    #22078171 - 08/11/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I prefer the Wiki article actually. There is much here that does or has resonated with me, and by me, I really mean my MBTI type - INTP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism ; For me the Feeling function is my "Inferior Function," and so, being weaker in that dimension, I was always overly cautious about my feelings. I remember one girl who used to visit me late at night (as well as many others in 3 counties) saying to me, "You don't like strong emotion do you?" and her boyfriend, who was my friend before the girl starting coming around once referred to me as "always the Stoic." That was maybe 1973. But, I am more of a Panentheist than a Pantheist, Classical or otherwise.


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Re: Stoicism [Re: Kurt]
    #22078199 - 08/11/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

One aspect of Stoicism that has always fascinated me is its tendency to give the emotions a secondary role, even a sublimated one perhaps.  It seems with the Stoics we are always appealing to a cool, calm, rational intellect, with the implication that emotions are expressly tempered, if not abandoned.  I was wondering if you could expand on this a bit, Kurt.


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Re: Stoicism [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22078621 - 08/11/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

all i know is what i've read in Meditations.

seems to be me the application here is a purely rhetorical one, though practical.

tell yourself that everything has it's purpose, and you've got plenty of insight at your disposal; that insight helps resolve whatever emotional conflict arises. the insight is the virtue of the mind. to think through our troubles as insights, rather than receive them as obstacles.


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Re: Stoicism [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22084162 - 08/13/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Stoicism to me seems like a personal philosophy. I can't find my way into this exactly. Maybe stoicism would be compared with cynicism and epicurianism? All these philosophers (from a similar period too) pretty significantly embodied their philosophies in ethic.

I think Stoicism might have came to pretty relavent importance to me a little more than a year ago. I was living up in the mountains in California, and in fact, living in a greenhouse, for a year. I was beekeeping in the area with a friend. Actually, he gave me a copy of Seneca's letters, when I left California...

I think maybe for some reason I was engaging an essentially stoic idea, up there, partly from reading. I had a significant library up there. I was into John Steinbeck. I also groked Aristotle for the first time, and think I must have been developing stoic ideas partly piecemeal from notions in his Physis. I hadn't actually read any stoics then, but since then I have begun reading the canonical stoics. I left California and now, I am in an ostensibly easier situation, but I am dealing with some health problems, and stoicism is usually ideal for me.

I think stoicism is maybe can be way of living, before it is an idea.
In Marcus Aurelius's meditations, there are a few instances he tells himself to cast away "thirst for books". Not like Hume, who " commits to the flames" some books and keeps others. That stuck a little, not sure why.


Here at the shroomery it seems like there are a few stoics. In general I think stoicism seems to be a noble philosophy, without needing riches to be that. Nice to see some shared interest. Maybe I'll have a better response.


Edited by Kurt (08/13/15 01:21 AM)


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