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Bill_Oreilly
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Question about LSD
#22075308 - 08/11/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I have some blotters. I want to store them in the fridge and vacuum seal them..but my question is...when the tabs are in foil and you vacuum seal them, will the LSD rub off on the foil because the vacuum-seal is causing the foil to be pressing up hard against the blotter?
you know the all the air gets sucked out and it squeezes in...well the tabs are going to be squeezed against the foil so will it the actives rub off?
thanks.
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mrbart4444
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Bill_Oreilly said: So I have some blotters. I want to store them in the fridge and vacuum seal them..but my question is...when the tabs are in foil and you vacuum seal them, will the LSD rub off on the foil because the vacuum-seal is causing the foil to be pressing up hard against the blotter?
you know the all the air gets sucked out and it squeezes in...well the tabs are going to be squeezed against the foil so will it the actives rub off?
thanks.
Assuming your lsd is dealer grade nothing should rub off ive stored lsd in plastic baggies for weeks carried in pocket didnt noticed any major loss of potency.
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Bill_Oreilly
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you storing them in plastic baggies has nothing to do with my question.
im asking if, due to to the vacuum seal making the foil suck up right against the tabs, if that would make any lsd run off.
and I have never heard of you in my life and you are just another no-name shroomery noob...you have no right to be in on the whole dealer grade joke. Ive taken shits that's tripped harder than you, kid.
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mrbart4444
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Bill_Oreilly said: you storing them in plastic baggies has nothing to do with my question.
im asking if, due to to the vacuum seal making the foil suck up right against the tabs, if that would make any lsd run off.
and I have never heard of you in my life and you are just another no-name shroomery noob...you have no right to be in on the whole dealer grade joke. Ive taken shits that's tripped harder than you, kid.
What about space grade
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mrbart4444
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yea but why would it rub off do you set your refrigerator to vibrate or something
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well isn't the whole reason we store LSD in foil it to prevent it rubbing off? The point is LSD can rub off...and I was just wondering if it can rub off on foil if the foil is sucked up against the tabs because of the vacuum seal.
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mrbart4444
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I dont think so, IME which is very limited for lsd mind you compared other shroomerites, most blotters are too porous compared to foil and its mainly friction that you have to worry about.
Ive seen a lot of guys claim it remaining good for 1-2years vaccum sealed on foil in the freezer on reddit and the nexus. Some dudes suggest a desiccant or paper towel wrapped around the foil but it doesnt seem necessary.
Sorry I cant offer more help
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tabs do remain as potent as they were and if any actives do get rubbed against the foil the loss should be miniscule I could be wrong though , but I havent noticed any such degradation, in-between the pages of a book for storing is good too for years
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Re: Question about LSD [Re: Elff]
#22075590 - 08/11/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i doubt it. the acid is absorbed into the blotter. i really don't think it would get rubbed off.
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what i was thinking
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Re: Question about LSD [Re: mrbart4444] 1
#22075691 - 08/11/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The LSD is embedded throughout the entire piece of paper in the form of tiny crystals. Your paper is rife with it. It doesn't matter what happens to the outer surface of the paper. Those crystals can be rubbed right off, and probably are frequently, without any significant change in the amount of LSD contained in the paper. You can touch it with plastic, foil and even handle it with your bare hands and have no issues with a change in potency whatsoever.
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Re: Question about LSD [Re: healing] 2
#22075746 - 08/11/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Awesome, thanks guy.
today is a good day...my "friend" just got a sheet of WoW "fluff"
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vaccum sealed bags may suck all the air out and then actually be sealed, but after about 8 hours that bag is going to start letting, scent, moisture and air into the bag. it will continue to let these things in and out of the bag until the pressure inside the bag is the same as the atmospheric pressure outside.
and yes the same thing will happen with glass canning jars, the molocules seap through and around hte glass and plastic molcules untill its on the outside, or if the pressure is less in the bag it will seap through until inside the bag is the same pressure, then more than liely stuff still seaps both ways.
so that being said i would never allow my lsd anywhere near any source of moisture,heat or light. never have i ever put it in the freezer or fridge. because if it doesnt ruin the lsd inside, once you take it out and the moisture turns from ice to water inside the bag and then ruins the lsd.
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uhhhhhh not so sure about that. your L will be fine sealed up like that bro. it probably dosent even need all that
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whitelights said: vaccum sealed bags may suck all the air out and then actually be sealed, but after about 8 hours that bag is going to start letting, scent, moisture and air into the bag. it will continue to let these things in and out of the bag until the pressure inside the bag is the same as the atmospheric pressure outside.
and yes the same thing will happen with glass canning jars, the molocules seap through and around hte glass and plastic molcules untill its on the outside, or if the pressure is less in the bag it will seap through until inside the bag is the same pressure, then more than liely stuff still seaps both ways.
so that being said i would never allow my lsd anywhere near any source of moisture,heat or light. never have i ever put it in the freezer or fridge. because if it doesnt ruin the lsd inside, once you take it out and the moisture turns from ice to water inside the bag and then ruins the lsd.
Yeah. That sounds like a bunch of bullshit. Have you ever grown mushrooms? You don't want anything seeping in and growing on your substrate, you know? That's kind of the point of vacuum sealing or using canning jars, they don't allow anything to seep in, like for years. That's why canning jars were invented, to store food for long periods of time.
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Re: Question about LSD [Re: healing]
#22076659 - 08/11/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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No.It'll be fine.I use to store sheets of l in those 50cent containers that are kinda big with them wrapped in foil.
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Re: Question about LSD [Re: IISkuNkII]
#22077180 - 08/11/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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First the foil is used to prevent air exposure to the blotter, not the keep it from touching things.
People put blotter in foil inside of a book for years and I'm fairly certain the book exerts more pressure on the foil to the tabs than a vacuum sealed bag would
And as others said when it's dropped it seaps into the paper and soaks it, then dries, doesn't just sit atop it waiting to be scraped off
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Foil is also used to block out light/Intense Uv light i always thought.
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Re: Question about LSD [Re: IISkuNkII]
#22077309 - 08/11/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Foil to prevent light degradation and something to deal with moisture...how long you really need to store in freezer?
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ive always suspected that blotters that lose potency are from them being handled too much (and crystal coming off) or from crystal coming off the blotter to other surfaces (like foil).
I bet if u put a blotter under a microscope, you would see some lsd crystals on the top or bottom outer surface of the blotter....
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If you guys did your research you would know living things even as small as bacteria cannot penetrate the bags or canning jars, nor there spores. Molocules of air, scent and moisture very well do. Show me solid evidence that this doesnt happen, i dare you. And yeah 8 hours for the vac b add but possibly years for the glass container.
Secondly try getting an airtight seal with foil.
A completly inert substance would be the best thing to store it in. In a place eith as little contact as possible to air,moisture, heat and light.
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Yes, the foil is also to block out any light
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I still dont understand how you get an airtight seal with tin foil.
My point being please dont put it in the fridge or freeze it. Keep it away from heat, like actual heat. Ive had l in temps of over 130~140 in a car all day in the sun for like 3 months without degradation, that doesnt mean freeze it because room temp will destroy it. Keep it away from real heat, in a dark place with as littlrle to no moisture as possible.
,ive had friends houses burn down with weed,mush,peyote,l,and who knows what else in a fire safe and it all worked perfectly fine after.
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Light. Heat. Air. Top 3 catalysts for degradation... No need to put it in the fridge/freezer. Store in a safe or something like that. Listen to whitelights he's a head and his info is on point.
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Bill_Oreilly
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i have it vacuum-sealed in foil in the fridge
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how hot does it get where you are?
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Do you plan on taking it out and redoing the vac every time you need to get doses? That'll ruin it quick coming in and out of the temp change with the moisture
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Bill_Oreilly
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No..i have a backup 20 doses or so that's not in the fridge. The ones in the fridge I plan on keeping in there for awhile.
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whitelights said: If you guys did your research you would know living things even as small as bacteria cannot penetrate the bags or canning jars, nor there spores. Molocules of air, scent and moisture very well do. Show me solid evidence that this doesnt happen, i dare you. And yeah 8 hours for the vac b add but possibly years for the glass container.
Secondly try getting an airtight seal with foil.
A completly inert substance would be the best thing to store it in. In a place eith as little contact as possible to air,moisture, heat and light.
So if I seal a clean, dry, empty canning jar, then submerge it in water, will the water leak into the jar?
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Re: Question about LSD [Re: IISkuNkII]
#22078881 - 08/11/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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IISkuNkII said: Foil is also used to block out light/Intense Uv light i always thought.
^^^ it is..
And no the L wont rub off, unless you are storing freshly laid sheets...
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Re: Question about LSD [Re: Blazer420]
#22079356 - 08/11/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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No the water will not leak into the jar, whatever the moisture content of the air surrounding the jar is will be what gets into the jar. Along with scent and other molocules that can work itself around the glass molocules.
Its as simple as a google search really, or if you wan to see for yourself put 600 ml of water in a jar with a lid and see how long it takes for 5 ml to evaporate, youd be surprised.
The real reason this was figured out was because our bags of weed still danked even after vacbagged 3 times with a wash of the bag between each bag. Then we researched the chemistry behind how things like that work.
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The real reason this was figured out was because our bags of weed still danked even after vacbagged 3 times with a wash of the bag between each bag. Then we researched the chemistry behind how things like that work.
Just a matter of time before it permeates through the bag and a dog hits on it 
Some vacuum seals do last a decent amount of time before any discerning amount seeps in, unless of course you are worried about good ol' drug dogs
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Yup you got it, the glass jar thing was just to say it happens to everything.
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So a glass jar is better than plastic; then just pour inert gas to fill and seal.
I imagine the threaded top might host air exchange - maybe some way to get a better seal?
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You can accomplish the same thang by using wax paper or saranWrap to use as a gasket for a jar with a screw on lid." -frog http://www.420magazine.com/forums/harvest-preparation-curing/67873-glass-jar-storage.html
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imagine the threaded top might host air exchange - maybe some way to get a better seal?
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