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First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation
    #22074841 - 08/11/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:cookiemonster: Hi

2 days ago I prepared my first monos.

Here's the procedure I took :
  • Pasteurized the mixture of straw and cow manure (3:1 volume respectively) @ 160oF, for 120 mins.
  • Spawned my monotubes, using 1:1 ratio of spawn:substrate, in a clean & lysoled room (alcohol rubbed gloves, .etc)
  • taped all holes on my tub, and put the lid on.
  • covered the tubs, and put in place with constant 84oF temperature.


Now after 2 days, the problem (probably) is, when I entered the room to check my other stuff, the shittiest stinky smell I've ever smelled was in the room. monotubs were stinky as hell...

The tubs walls show a little condensation, and no pooling or other bad signs are present.
I'm 100% sure of my pasteurization process, and done everything right with the water content of substrate.(based on frank's teks). all the substrate was at constant 160oF for two hours.(core temp,  using a digital thermometer)

Does anybody else experience the shitty smell from their monotubs which contain manure substrate ?
(like the manure smell itself X 100):confused:

should I consider a little more GE, to prevent potential bacterial growth ?

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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: psilocybist]
    #22074886 - 08/11/15 05:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

mine always dont smell obvious at all.

but if i have a whiff only mushroomy smell eminates.

off smells normally a bad sign.

if your past. was good then maybe the spawn was dirty:shrug:

you will have to wait and see.

is there any obvious signs of problems(visually)

tbh even if there is a hidden problem you may get away with it and still get fruits.

and tbh i have seen tubs made with dirty spawn put out 1 huge flush in a bid too survive.

all you can do is wait and see!
and play it as you see it.

any green ect toss it:thumbup:


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22074909 - 08/11/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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mine always dont smell obvious at all.

if your past. was good then maybe the spawn was dirty:shrug:

is there any obvious signs of problems(visually)




you talking about poo substrate too ? right?

the spawn was OK, as far as I can tell, smelled mushroomy, pure white, recovered within 24 hrs after shaking...
There's no visual signs of problems, but they're only 2 days old. (probably too early)

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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: psilocybist]
    #22074936 - 08/11/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the manure before and after will/should just smell earthy.

and this should just turn mushroomy as it get colonized imo

does it smell fruity/apples or vinegar type smell?


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22074952 - 08/11/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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mustangbob3 said:
does it smell fruity/apples or vinegar type smell?




no, just smells like wet cow manure actually :lol: (sorry, but a little like human feces :facepalm: :lol: )

maybe it's a difference between cow vs. horse manure (?) (assuming you're spawning using horse poo)


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: psilocybist]
    #22074981 - 08/11/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

lol maybe your nose is just sensitive  :laugh2:

your prob fine

and i... grain spawn > manure + verm  (gypsum additive if you want too)

i have used cow manure in past but when i did it needed to be fluffed up with extra verm or cut straw to stop being so muddy for best results.( may just be my supply)

but cow manure does work fine imo

like i said your prob fine just play it as you see it.
but if it changes colour get it out asap( visual contams)

EDIT just realised you added straw too... good move:thumbup: i found it really helps and also help speed up colonization.

i like straw and dont use it enough! tbh my best looking and most potent fruits come from straw only subs!

something about the ratio of potassium to phosphor really seems to help.
or it may be something completely different in the straw but its a great sub imo and isnt used enough.:smile:

a field of grain has almost equal amounts of goodness in the straw stems as it does the grains i once read somewhere.

and mycelium is great at extracting the goodness :smile:
tbh this is giving me the urge for a straw and grain grow.
they go together to make a whole and what the grains lack the straw has in abundance and vice versa


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22075202 - 08/11/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

no manure should smell like shit, you need to leach that stuff!

so the grains smelled ok but the tubs smells like shit? If so its gotta be your substrate.

try using coir+verm next time, it doesnt give a fuck about proper pasteurization or temperatures or anything.


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: spacechildo]
    #22075219 - 08/11/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid:

maybe he just has a sensitive nose but like i said manure should just smell earthy:smile:

its hard to decode from words what someone else is smelling and trying to describe. lol


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: psilocybist]
    #22075453 - 08/11/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the replies.

I don't really know what would be the right decision about those tubs.


I know tubs at colonization step are supposed to build up CO2.
but don't you think it'd be a worth-to-try idea to give them a little more GE to be a little safer against contams ?
cause I read a grow-log/tek from Faht which covered his tubs with trash bags or something (instead of tub lid) and made a dozen of holes in it.

If I knew straw alone would be that great substrate as mustangbob3 said, I'd go for a straw-alone substrate.
(got another 6 jars 90% colonized, will try them with straw)


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: psilocybist]
    #22075498 - 08/11/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the prob with straw is its not as tolerant imo

straw can produce nice looking and potent shrooms but imo they dont flush for long.

it colonizes fast and fruits fast and easy but stops producing fast too.
so what is gained in speed,fruit health ect is balanced by loss from the output total.



so other subs preform better for bulk if numbers is your game.

its just that i find the fruits superior, like quality over quantity.

but coir or hpoo consistently puts out more.
i would go with coir as space suggested for ease of use and bulk output.
best use of space too.

but if you just want some pretty and imo potent too have a go with straw but remeber it wont hold the water the same so wont support lots of flushes.
but the nutrient in the straw or the combination makes good food for the myc and the shrooms look pretty in  the same way wild cubes look imo.

as for potency that could just be in my head as i have no way to test other than eating but i will say they consistently seen to be more potent.
not double strenght or anything.. if you want that much more try a PE variety. :thumbup:


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22075522 - 08/11/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Does anybody else experience the shitty smell from their monotubs which contain manure substrate ?
(like the manure smell itself X 100):confused:"

really wanna point that out again. you want leached manure not the fresh smelly shit.
I have a bag of shit in my kitchen right now, been there for weeks, doesnt smell a thing.


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: spacechildo]
    #22075568 - 08/11/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah it should have no obvious smell and even after its wet only earthy not bad or anything.


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: spacechildo]
    #22075603 - 08/11/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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really wanna point that out again. you want leached manure not the fresh smelly shit.
I have a bag of shit in my kitchen right now, been there for weeks, doesnt smell a thing.




sorry, forgot to answer that part.

I started with dried manure. (if that's what you mean by "leached").
which absolutely did not smell even a little.
then I crushed them to small sized parts, and mixed it with cut straw, on a 3:1 ratio (Straw:Manure).

Then I add water, let stay for a few hours, then pressed the shit out of them, by my hands, and drained almost all water content from the mixture. (just as frank's poo tek said, I went a little toward dry side).

Then pasteurized them in a few bags.
they didn't smell even in heating process.
the smell just started right about today (after 2 days).


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: psilocybist]
    #22075645 - 08/11/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I still havent had a contam that smells like actual poo. sounds like you got the basics down tho, not sure what went wrong if you are serious about the smell.

leached means washed and dried by rain and sun. washes out the ammonia and the smell.


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: spacechildo]
    #22075722 - 08/11/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

thanks for the clarification, yeah now I'm sure it was leached and leached well.
I gathered the manure myself from villages around my town.

anyway, will let it colonize and they'll be under my owlish-observation for any sign of contams.  :sniperkitty:


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: psilocybist]
    #22075740 - 08/11/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

hm.. next time post pics of your grain spawn, and if you want a fool proof substrate just use coir+verm.
if you wanna keep trying with manure just keep at it but still post grain spawn pics!

have you seen frankhorrigans write ups? he has a good one on pasteurization, compare it to what you do!


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: spacechildo]
    #22075841 - 08/11/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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hm.. next time post pics of your grain spawn, and if you want a fool proof substrate just use coir+verm.
if you wanna keep trying with manure just keep at it but still post grain spawn pics!




actually I have the pics, you may wanna take a look at them.

this is one of the corn jars closeup, 2 days before being used for spawning into tubs :


and this one is one of the millet jars , 5 days before being spawned, (no updated pic afterward, sorry) :


and I smelled them well before dumping them into tubs, all smelled good and shroomy.


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Re: First Monotubs - Plz help me with this queation [Re: psilocybist] * 1
    #22075929 - 08/11/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

they look OK to me but there's a screaming red sign on one of them that says 60mins PC. do at least 90 in the future.

I see you colonized the tub @ 84F, thats just allowing contaminates to thrive, 70s is perfect.


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