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Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek?
    #22074837 - 08/11/15 04:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Edited to stop any future replies to a foolish query. The confusion was corrected after I did further research and cleared up my mistake. I initially left the post up because I thought people might find it a humorous mistake, but I don't want to waste helpful people's time answering the query. Thanks


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Re: Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek? [Re: Convergence]
    #22074853 - 08/11/15 04:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek? [Re: Convergence] * 1
    #22074911 - 08/11/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You are severely confused. I don't think this is a good idea for you just yet. You need to do a lot more learning.


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Re: Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek? [Re: Convergence]
    #22075079 - 08/11/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Naphtha has been banned here but i can still buy 100% naphthalene moth balls on ebay. Could i use these in the lazy DMT tek? How many grams of these would equal the required mL that is required by the tek?

Here is the ones im looking at



Would these work? How do i liquify them? How do i convert the grams to mL? How much do I need?

Thanks




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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22075109 - 08/11/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek? [Re: healing]
    #22075123 - 08/11/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oops I see my mistake now. I thought naphtha and naphthalene were the same thing. If I face palmed any harder it would be a fatality...


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Re: Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek? [Re: Convergence]
    #22075138 - 08/11/15 07:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphtha

Just a quick glance at that page.

If you can't learn the difference between naphtha and naphthalene on your own, you need to stay away from home chemistry. I had to press exactly eight buttons to get to that link above. Start pressing some of the buttons on your computer.


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Re: Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek? [Re: healing]
    #22075147 - 08/11/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm searching on my phone and it autocorrected naphtha to naphthalene in the search engine. I assumed naphtha was slang for naphthalene. I now know not to assume anything with these terms I'm unfamiliar with. Your condescension is much appreciated. At least I didn't start crushing up mothballs lol.


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Re: Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek? [Re: healing]
    #22075151 - 08/11/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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healing said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphtha

Just a quick glance at that page.

If you can't learn the difference between naphtha and naphthalene on your own, you need to stay away from home chemistry. I had to press exactly eight buttons to get to that link above. Start pressing some of the buttons on your computer.




And I did learn the difference on my own, none of you told me anything other than to call troll or confused and offer nothing but discouragement.In the hope that you will actually help me out, I've located a product locally that I would like your experienced opinion on.

"Diggers Wax and Grease Remover"
Low Aromatic White Spirits / Naphtha (petroleum) / Hydrotreated Light
Colour


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Re: Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek? [Re: Convergence]
    #22075162 - 08/11/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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How do i convert the grams to mL?




That is a science illiterate question.

We're not required to help you. You can't expect us to help you just because you can't figure things out on your own. I, for one, am not going to help you any further because you shouldn't be attempting this, as per above quote.


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Re: Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek? [Re: healing]
    #22075245 - 08/11/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i know grams is weight and mL is volume. But I don't know how to get from one to the other without information on density and a purity. Hence the original question, which was indeed flawed due to googling on a phone in haste.

No, you don't have to help me, thank you for your contribution. Everyone has to start somewhere. The Ethnobotanical forum is a lot friendlier than here, I'm honestly a bit surprised by this. I admit to having no science background. I've only ever studied humanities and worked in architecture and graphic design, so I've had no experience with this stuff apart from making tinctures. But I'm reading up now and will teach myself if I can.

If your attitude has been out of genuine concern and a desire for harm reduction, then I appreciate your care. But perhaps due to the impersonal nature of written text, it doesn't come across that way, and seems exceedingly unfriendly and condescending.

thanks again


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Re: Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek? [Re: Convergence]
    #22075569 - 08/11/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I see now. You just made a small mistake that lead to a big misunderstanding in the form of a very confused thread topic.

If you are going to follow a DMT extraction tek, and you don't understand the chemistry behind the instructions, you must follow the tek to the letter, otherwise you risk all different kinds of failure including the possibility of serious injury or death.

If your tek calls for naphtha and you can't get naphtha, you can't follow the tek and must find a different one.

The product that you just posted about, Diggers... is not pure naphtha. Because DMT is soluble in naphtha, it is usually the solvent from which your final product is precipitated, crystallized out of the liquid. You can see, then, that using anything other than pure naphtha could mean that your DMT crystals might contain those impurities and so you might inhale them when you attempt to vaporize your product. Not a good idea.

You can get all the help you might need on this forum, but I will also point out that there is another website, the DMT Nexus, which is specifically dedicated to the study of DMT and has a forum similar to the one we have here. They might also help.

One last thing. This site has a very powerful search engine. It's at the top right corner of every page. If you have any questions, check the search engine first. It will probably give you the answer you are looking for in a matter of seconds, as compared to waiting for some other member to respond to your post.

Hope that helps. Please let us know how your extraction progresses.


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Re: Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek? [Re: healing]
    #22075602 - 08/11/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Napthalene is not naptha. Napthalene is a crystalline byproduct
of naptha production. It CAN NOT be used for your purposes.

If you can't find naptha, try to find heptane, hexane, xylene,
lighter fluid, benzene, any of these will work as well, though
some may extract more alks than just DMT depending on the bark you use.

You could even do an all organic route and use ethanol, vinegar, and
sodium carbonate which produces a crude DMT paste but still works.

Do some research, check out the nexus, then come back and play

Edit: using water as the example: 1ml of water weighs exactly 1 gram.
hope this helps


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Re: Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek? [Re: healing] * 1
    #22075713 - 08/11/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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healing said:
I see now. You just made a small mistake that lead to a big misunderstanding in the form of a very confused thread topic.

If you are going to follow a DMT extraction tek, and you don't understand the chemistry behind the instructions, you must follow the tek to the letter, otherwise you risk all different kinds of failure including the possibility of serious injury or death.

If your tek calls for naphtha and you can't get naphtha, you can't follow the tek and must find a different one.

The product that you just posted about, Diggers... is not pure naphtha. Because DMT is soluble in naphtha, it is usually the solvent from which your final product is precipitated, crystallized out of the liquid. You can see, then, that using anything other than pure naphtha could mean that your DMT crystals might contain those impurities and so you might inhale them when you attempt to vaporize your product. Not a good idea.

You can get all the help you might need on this forum, but I will also point out that there is another website, the DMT Nexus, which is specifically dedicated to the study of DMT and has a forum similar to the one we have here. They might also help.

One last thing. This site has a very powerful search engine. It's at the top right corner of every page. If you have any questions, check the search engine first. It will probably give you the answer you are looking for in a matter of seconds, as compared to waiting for some other member to respond to your post.

Hope that helps. Please let us know how your extraction progresses.




Thank you so much for this reply. I did have a feeling that impurities would be an issue. I can source pure materials off eBay, I will just have to wait for delivery. I am fully aware of the dangers, I've seen news reports of when things go wrong.

Your caution is much appreciated, I haven't yet decided to go through with this. It will depend upon the availability of pure materials and time to commit uninterrupted. I have been using the search engine, and no one was dumb enough to make the same misunderstanding so no results came up initially! Also, I've read quite a bit from the nexus it is a great resource. But mostly I've read about cultivation of interesting plants. I just posted here because I like the ethnobotanical community.

I will update the forum if I begin an extraction with a detailed description of my setup befor commencing for safety. Thanks again.


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Re: Can i use mothballs for the lazy DMT tek? [Re: Convergence]
    #22075851 - 08/11/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

at least you didnt burn up a bunch of moth balls and pour it into your bark:shrug:


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