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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22079640 - 08/12/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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"even" 
My MDMA policy is four times a year, tops. Though I will admit there are very isolated occasions when a friend will come up a lot and we'll dose a couple times in a relatively short span of time.
It's like yeah I'll argue that meth is more damaging till I'm blue in the face but that doesn't mean I think MDMA is a wholesome part of this complete breakfast
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: mollymadman]
#22079645 - 08/12/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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mollymadman said: Hmm, thanks for the concern. I'll consider what you guys said. I'm starting a new job soon anyways so I won't be able to keep this up much longer. I wouldn't recommend this type of use to anyone else, it just seems like I'm immune to the negative long term side effects. Either that or they creep up so slow you don't notice it.
You can't just brute force the negative effects out. You have a brain like anyone else and that stuff bum fucks your brain for at least a couple weeks after you take it. Your brain is getting no breaks. You serotonin levels are so low right now bud.
Honestly I'd recommend just getting shit faced every weekend over using molly every week.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22079654 - 08/12/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Then I must be a super happy person normally because even with depleted serotonin I feel fine.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: mollymadman]
#22079657 - 08/12/15 01:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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mollymadman said: Then I must be a super happy person normally because even with depleted serotonin I feel fine.
Whatever dude.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: mollymadman]
#22079662 - 08/12/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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At least take 200mg of 5htp on the days you aren't rolling. It will help a LOT
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22079663 - 08/12/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Look man, I'm pretty sure most of the damage associated with MDMA is because of dirty m, not the m itself. Either way you're right to a certain extent. Once every 2 weeks is probably better. Maybe even once a month. Once I start working I'll cut back significantly. Shulgin said once every 3 mths is ideal.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#22079664 - 08/12/15 01:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gottaloveacid said: At least take 200mg of 5htp on the days you aren't rolling. It will help a LOT
Have you actually tried that stuff? I've heard good things.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22079666 - 08/12/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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mollymadman said: Then I must be a super happy person normally because even with depleted serotonin I feel fine.
Whatever dude.
Why the hell do you hate MDMA so much man I know way more people that are fried from meth than MDMA. And the people that are fried from MDMA took massive amounts of drug cocktails to get there along with the Molly abuse.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: mollymadman]
#22079669 - 08/12/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes. Normally the day after I roll I tired as fuck and have no emotions (wouldn't say depressed, just kind of lived blankly in the moment)
When I take 200mg of 5HTP as soon as I wake up the morning after a roll, I feel it sort of "kick" in around the 2 hour mark and it feels like it is actually helping. I don't get the blank emotions and my sleep remains perfectly normal
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22079672 - 08/12/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rebel, have you tried cacti? I don't wanna ask if you've tried "mescaline" because I'm skeptical that people actually sell the pure compound, and that it's not just phenethylamine research chemicals like 2cb diluted in an inactive filler
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: mollymadman]
#22079675 - 08/12/15 01:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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mollymadman said: Look man, I'm pretty sure most of the damage associated with MDMA is because of dirty m, not the m itself. Either way you're right to a certain extent. Once every 2 weeks is probably better. Maybe even once a month. Once I start working I'll cut back significantly. Shulgin said once every 3 mths is ideal.
you just had several users present peer-reviewed material noting that mdma is harmful to your health, and you're going to ignore it and say it's because you think it has something to do with the drugs being impure?
gtfo
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#22079676 - 08/12/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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mollymadman said: Then I must be a super happy person normally because even with depleted serotonin I feel fine.
Whatever dude.
Why the hell do you hate MDMA so much man I know way more people that are fried from meth than MDMA. And the people that are fried from MDMA took massive amounts of drug cocktails to get there along with the Molly abuse.
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Gottaloveacid said: Yes. Normally the day after I roll I tired as fuck and have no emotions (wouldn't say depressed, just kind of lived blankly in the moment)
When I take 200mg of 5HTP as soon as I wake up the morning after a roll, I feel it sort of "kick" in around the 2 hour mark and it feels like it is actually helping. I don't get the blank emotions and my sleep remains perfectly normal
Nice man I'm gonna try that out! Been meaning to anyways.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
#22079677 - 08/12/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yea man I won't roll unless I have 5-htp for the week after. You can really feel that it gives your body that extra chemical boost to start producing more serotonin. I swear by itQuote:
MagicalOrangutan said: Rebel, have you tried cacti? I don't wanna ask if you've tried "mescaline" because I'm skeptical that people actually sell the pure compound, and that it's not just phenethylamine research chemicals like 2cb diluted in an inactive filler
And I haven't yet but I'm looking into it extensively at the moment. I just got turned onto the idea a couple weeks back. Never really thought about it before because I've always had LSD and mushrooms but I'm definitely interested
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: 404]
#22079680 - 08/12/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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mollymadman said: Look man, I'm pretty sure most of the damage associated with MDMA is because of dirty m, not the m itself. Either way you're right to a certain extent. Once every 2 weeks is probably better. Maybe even once a month. Once I start working I'll cut back significantly. Shulgin said once every 3 mths is ideal.
you just had several users present peer-reviewed material noting that mdma is harmful to your health, and you're going to ignore it and say it's because you think it has something to do with the drugs being impure?
gtfo 
I'm skeptical about drug science. Usually there's an agenda, and its bias.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: mollymadman]
#22079685 - 08/12/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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mollymadman said: Look man, I'm pretty sure most of the damage associated with MDMA is because of dirty m, not the m itself. Either way you're right to a certain extent. Once every 2 weeks is probably better. Maybe even once a month. Once I start working I'll cut back significantly. Shulgin said once every 3 mths is ideal.
The damage from MDMA is from the PURE MDMA. Not the cut.
Also, 5HTP is a trash supplement honestly and does really nothing for post MDMA blues. You are better off using kratom. I find 5HTP is sketchy and gives me a messed up heart beat and does nothing. It fucks with your heart valves hardcore (google 5htp heart valve problems). Most of the serotonin from 5HTP doesn't even reach your brain and goes into your tissues. It can give you cardiac fibrosis. I would never recommend taking it long term and it honestly does not do much at all for depression.
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Edited by Bitter Cactus (08/12/15 01:42 AM)
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22079690 - 08/12/15 01:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dunno about that. And kratom is addictive, I don't really like doing addictive drugs. Why would so many people with MDMA experience say 5htp works if it doesn't?
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22079696 - 08/12/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i have definitely noticed positive effects using 5htp without having rolled first.
i notice my appetite is less and i am in a more 'dazed' state and happy. there a definitive differences in my cognition when taking 5htp. it also helps with regulating my mood after LSD as well, as i tend to get more down and what not having had my serotonin receptors downregulated. at least that is my speculation.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: mollymadman]
#22079700 - 08/12/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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mollymadman said: I dunno about that. And kratom is addictive, I don't really like doing addictive drugs. Why would so many people with MDMA experience say 5htp works if it doesn't?
MDMA is way more damaging then kratom and psychologically addictive.
Listen dude, 5htp is actually a pretty dangerous and shitty supplement. The 5htp is converted into serotonin and some goes in the brain and the rest just floats around into your tissues and your heart. Eat some turkey, all of the trytophan is converted into serotonin and goes directly into your brain. Honestly though it will not do much for short term use after an MDMA roll. I suspect some of it has to do with placebo.
I have also heard combining 5htp with MDMA or using it right after or something is bad for you. I could be wrong though.
5htp is not some miracle supplement that will cure you. The reason doctors don't prescribe it is because most of the serotonin just floats around your body and doesn't end up in your brain which is a BAD thing.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: mollymadman]
#22079701 - 08/12/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i would have to say the addictive potential for kratom is less than or equal to caffeine, but that's just what it seems like to me. i have nothing that supports that right now.
it's probably because i ate an ounce all at once and then puked my ever-loving brains out
it will be a long time before i ever try it again
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22079702 - 08/12/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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5htp ... dangerous? if you're going to make a ridiculous claim like that, please back it up
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