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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
#22076466 - 08/11/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I used to be a tweaker. Shit is WACK! I've gotten my shit together since then though, I don't even get cravings. It's literally a miracle, I couldn't control myself around meth AT ALL before I began to work on solving the personal issues that were driving me to abuse, and it was turning my whole life into a shitshow. If I went back two years and told myself that I'd have no problem turning down a line within the next year, she would have laughed right in my face. Those cravings were fucking brutal, constant and irrepressible, and I thought they would never go away.
I must admit, however, they use very high doses in this study... they're talking about doses that would equate to 2.4g single-use or binges of 800mg every two hours, which is just crazy. At my worst I would be dosing up with 100mg at once. That's kind of a relief, hopefully I don't have much lasting damage from those fucked up times... if there are people out there who typically use doses that large, I pity them.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22076473 - 08/11/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: I know meth is neurotoxic too, but I have done massive doses that should have killed me with it and besides the comedown I always woke up feeling fine to go about my day after a good amount of sleep. MDMA one dose I feel so sketchy the next day and get depressed the whole next week. I just feel it is worse and if you abused MDMA like people abused meth the damage would be way more severe.
You might have felt fine but I remember when you were spamming the pub with anti-weed threads, you were not fine.
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Bitter Cactus said: I know meth is neurotoxic too, but I have done massive doses that should have killed me with it and besides the comedown I always woke up feeling fine to go about my day after a good amount of sleep. MDMA one dose I feel so sketchy the next day and get depressed the whole next week. I just feel it is worse and if you abused MDMA like people abused meth the damage would be way more severe.
You might have felt fine but I remember when you were spamming the pub with anti-weed threads, you were not fine.
That was after I stopped doing meth cause when I was tweaking I didn't post here much. And ya, it really dose have to do with dosage. I think high doses of meth are bad but lower doses of stimulants in general are not bad.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22076838 - 08/11/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dropped out of the shroomery when I was tweaking too. I made one posts here the whole time. It was in the thread 'what's the one drug you wish you had never done?' In which I replied 'meth, shits like Pringles' oh tweaking, I sure don't miss you.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: OsculateOfDemise]
#22076879 - 08/11/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i just ate a buncha pringles on the way home from work it was luxurious
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Sheekle]
#22076912 - 08/11/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Once you pop you just can't stop. Did you put two of them in your mouth to look like a duck? I haven't had Pringles in forever.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22076925 - 08/11/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: I know meth is neurotoxic too, but I have done massive doses that should have killed me with it and besides the comedown I always woke up feeling fine to go about my day after a good amount of sleep. MDMA one dose I feel so sketchy the next day and get depressed the whole next week. I just feel it is worse and if you abused MDMA like people abused meth the damage would be way more severe.
You might have felt fine but I remember when you were spamming the pub with anti-weed threads, you were not fine.
That was after I stopped doing meth cause when I was tweaking I didn't post here much. And ya, it really dose have to do with dosage. I think high doses of meth are bad but lower doses of stimulants in general are not bad.
I should hope so, as I still take dexedrine for my ADHD. As for meth, though, I'd guess that any dose causing intense euphoria and compulsive binge dosing is probably going to be pretty bad for you, no matter how you cut it. It honestly does remind me a bit of MDMA in that when you're at the peak of the high it literally feels so good you can't help but be a bit worried that maybe you're not supposed to feel that good, ever
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I've smoked purified (my cocaine mentor purified it lol) crack, and that almost gave me a heart attack but the euphoria was..maddening. Brain numbing. Never again.
I don't know if mdma is really that feel good in nature, I've only had one experience and honestly I feel it was probably methylone. Maybe I'm wrong. It was shards/crystals of something in a clear gel cap, 100 mg. It was euphoric but not really intensely so.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
#22077197 - 08/11/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't know about you but I get very intense euphoria on a mid-to-large dose of MDMA. It's a very different kind of euphoria from what meth gives you, soft and fuzzy rather than sharp and jagged, but it's definitely of a comparable magnitude.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22077506 - 08/11/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had years of mushroom and acid experience before I got into it. I think that a person should be very used to tripping before they roll. They should be used to being really high in general.
I'm also glad I didn't really get into it before I was 21, but I did try it and sporadically try low doses starting when I was 18. I did most of my heavy use from ages 23-25.
People can have extremely bad reactions at normal doses but those are like 1 in a million. (I made those numbers up but it is still rare) Who knows what most medical emergencies where caused by because so much shit is bunk. When harm reduction is followed and sense is being used with doses risk of death is almost nonexistent. (Assuming uncut MDMA)
Also first timers need to start with 100 milligrams and work up to test for personal bad reactions to MDMA. Maybe even less and work their way up. With actual months between tests.
That's my overkill perspective on how to stay safe but as anyone in a culture of it knows that's easier said than done when people are getting dooowwnn.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: wigglewak]
#22077558 - 08/11/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Personally I almost always felt fine or good after a night of mdma.
I rarely got Any hangover or depression after.
I have sometimes done cringeworthy amounts but I always found it remarkably forgiving .
But I am going to take a very long break before I consider doing it again.
I maintain its a pretty darn safe drug all around but if abused or used frequently it will fuck you up.
The thing about MDMA is pretty benign when used infrequently and that's also when it's most enjoyable.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22077585 - 08/11/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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moonshoe u've never test kitted ur MDMA b4 but ur afraid to take acid cuz RC's even tho all u gotta do is test kit ur drugs wtf dude ur MDMA was prolly all methylone ur life is ruined
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Sheekle]
#22077686 - 08/11/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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We get a lot of brown. It's pretty distinctive.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: larry.fisherman]
#22077705 - 08/11/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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dont live off it.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Sheekle]
#22078853 - 08/11/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Canada is one of the main producers of real MDMA. All the raw material comes overseas onto our shores and Canada processes it into real MDMA and supplies it to many other places including the USA.
There is quite a lot of real MDMA in Canada. we are lucky that way.
Also I am not scared of doing methylone, but I never want to be dosed with NBOME.
That said I did try "acid" at a festival for the first time this year. It was fun and cool, but I wouldn't try it again because NBOMEs really do scare me, and I even heard of someone being dosed with BROMO - dragonfly (hoffie/goddessoflove) and he OD'ed, had a heart attack and almost died so yeah.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22078887 - 08/11/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aren't u afraid of PMA and MDPV and what the fuck ever nd shit tho?
Bromo dragonfly is rare as FUCK
idk tho i guess america is lucky with acid or suttin in the way canada is lucky with mdma
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Adolin]
#22078938 - 08/11/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gresh said: while ive never used MDMA, ive always put it on par with meth. which doesnt eat holes in your brain, contrary to pop culture
meth tends to be more destrictive overall, obviously, but i'm talking on a dose-by-dose, mg-for-mg basis
the only reason ive avoided MDMA is because i have problems with dissociation/depersonalization anxiety. despite mdma's lovey dovey reputation, it has a tendency to trigger DP
MDMA and Meth are neurotoxic in almost the exact same way, only difference is MDMA is toxic to serotonin and meth to dopamine. Since your brain produces dopamine MUCH MUCH faster than serotonin (your brain always floods dopamine, it never floods much serotonin), it takes much more of a releasing agent (meth in this case) to equal the same level of damage as MDMA would to serotonin receptors.
I have wondered if there is some way to combined 5-HTP with MDMA or something similar to reduce neurotoxicity, but that is a dangerous combo. If there was some way scientists could force your brain to replenish neurotransmitter levels as quickly as say MDMA would deplete it, we could erase the neurotoxicity off of the side effects list.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Sheekle]
#22078961 - 08/11/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think I might have got PMA once and it almost killed me and a few of my friends, it was the worst drug experience of my life and I ended up in an ER.
MDPV I am sure I never got.
I think we get about 50-70% real mdma and the rest is methylone or 4-MEC, 4MMC, etc.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#22079198 - 08/11/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gresh said: while ive never used MDMA, ive always put it on par with meth. which doesnt eat holes in your brain, contrary to pop culture
meth tends to be more destrictive overall, obviously, but i'm talking on a dose-by-dose, mg-for-mg basis
the only reason ive avoided MDMA is because i have problems with dissociation/depersonalization anxiety. despite mdma's lovey dovey reputation, it has a tendency to trigger DP
MDMA and Meth are neurotoxic in almost the exact same way, only difference is MDMA is toxic to serotonin and meth to dopamine. Since your brain produces dopamine MUCH MUCH faster than serotonin (your brain always floods dopamine, it never floods much serotonin), it takes much more of a releasing agent (meth in this case) to equal the same level of damage as MDMA would to serotonin receptors.
I have wondered if there is some way to combined 5-HTP with MDMA or something similar to reduce neurotoxicity, but that is a dangerous combo. If there was some way scientists could force your brain to replenish neurotransmitter levels as quickly as say MDMA would deplete it, we could erase the neurotoxicity off of the side effects list.
You hit the nail right on the head here. Your dopamine recovers at least ten times faster the serotonin. One single dose of meth in a cap like a person would do MDMA would honestly have a really smooth comedown without much of a hangover.
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#22079212 - 08/11/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gresh said: while ive never used MDMA, ive always put it on par with meth. which doesnt eat holes in your brain, contrary to pop culture
meth tends to be more destrictive overall, obviously, but i'm talking on a dose-by-dose, mg-for-mg basis
the only reason ive avoided MDMA is because i have problems with dissociation/depersonalization anxiety. despite mdma's lovey dovey reputation, it has a tendency to trigger DP
MDMA and Meth are neurotoxic in almost the exact same way, only difference is MDMA is toxic to serotonin and meth to dopamine.
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