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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22075550 - 08/11/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I was doing a lot of MDMA a few years ago. Every day, every other day for a good 6 months. It can really wear you down physically but as long as you're drinking water and not taking massive doses I feel like good pure MDMA doesn't mess with you very much. It's been 2 or 3 years now since then and I feel no adverse effects from it, also I have no holes in my brain. I would say that myth would be associated with cut MDMA


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #22075551 - 08/11/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Whatever dude, I know I am right.

If someone were to abuse MDMA like one would abuse meth, as in staying up for five days binging on it, taking a couple days off, then doing it again, first of all the tolerance would be so high it wouldn't work, but I think the brain damage would reach insane tardy levels and your concentration and happiness would be hyper fucked in under two weeks and it would last for a year minimum.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22075555 - 08/11/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

staying up for 5 days binging on anything is gonna have adverse effects.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22075562 - 08/11/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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ACID is more dangerous imo.




no.

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Scientifically, dose by dose I would say MDMA is at least ten times worse for your brain then meth. Even one dose of MDMA leaves me feeling like complete shit once it has worn off and the crash feels really depressing and sketchy.

Compare that to when I used to shoot massive amounts of meth and stay up for six days in a row without sleep. Obviously the sleep deprivation was literally fucking my brain but taking that out of account honestly once I crashed and woke up from those binges I felt pretty fine and natural. Waking up after a night of using MDMA or E is just so uncomfortable and I get depressed.

I think if people used MDMA the way a meth addict uses meth they would be perma fucked for life.




HOWEVER, in real life situations, with real people with real life variables, MDMA is the safer drug cause unless you go full blown retard it won't consume your life. Sure that one time you take it it will honestly fuck a lot with your brain and serotonin heavily but you aren't gonna be doing it all the time like the way a meth addict ends up doing meth all the time.


Overal, dose per dose, I truly feel MDMA is significantly worse then meth, not even a competition. However, in real life scenerios, I would never introduce someone to meth but would introduce them to MDMA.




i totally agree with you.  meth is more addicting, but mdma has a better feel.  that's relative of course to the user, but that's general consensus.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Trickyricky217]
    #22075564 - 08/11/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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staying up for 5 days binging on anything is gonna have adverse effects.




Honestly when I was using meth I did this all the time and even pushed it past the five day mark without a wink of sleep. Right now it is a year later and maybe there are adverse effects but they are not that significant.

I do believe though if you were to push those limits with MDMA the tolerance would rise so fast you would not even feel it and I just feel like even after one dose that stuff is just so hard on you brain that if you were to hardcore binge on it you would go full blown retard in a matter of weeks.

Just my opinion tho.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22075592 - 08/11/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I suppose if you push it to that yeah it would have some bad effects because you're depriving your brain of the chemicals it would normally have regulated that are being consumed during the high over long periods of time. In combination with sleep deprivation it could get bad. I agree. You have to set yourself a limit though, binging on any drug is a bad idea. If you're going to go all out give yourself a break in between. Just practice some moderation and you can avoid the harsher effects


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22075598 - 08/11/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My dudes girl went pretty incoherent for awhile. She was doing it every day no other drugs only mdma and herb. She starting talking all babble fucking delusion nonsence really scared us all. After being cut off seemed to take her a week to really come back around. i seen her while stopping at my dudes at one point during her breakdown, so idk if she couldve just been dehydrated or sleep deprived. But the consensus was too much molly.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22075651 - 08/11/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Scientifically, dose by dose I would say MDMA is at least ten times worse for your brain then meth. Even one dose of MDMA leaves me feeling like complete shit once it has worn off and the crash feels really depressing and sketchy.

Compare that to when I used to shoot massive amounts of meth and stay up for six days in a row without sleep. Obviously the sleep deprivation was literally fucking my brain but taking that out of account honestly once I crashed and woke up from those binges I felt pretty fine and natural. Waking up after a night of using MDMA or E is just so uncomfortable and I get depressed.

I think if people used MDMA the way a meth addict uses meth they would be perma fucked for life.




HOWEVER, in real life situations, with real people with real life variables, MDMA is the safer drug cause unless you go full blown retard it won't consume your life. Sure that one time you take it it will honestly fuck a lot with your brain and serotonin heavily but you aren't gonna be doing it all the time like the way a meth addict ends up doing meth all the time.


Overal, dose per dose, I truly feel MDMA is significantly worse then meth, not even a competition. However, in real life scenerios, I would never introduce someone to meth but would introduce them to MDMA.



i feel methamphetamine is wayyyy worse for you than the same sized dose of MDMA. thats why Ricaurte had to withdraw his study he performed at John's Hopkins. he stated that MDMA was horrible for your body and that even one dose could cause lasting brain damage but what he was really working with was doses of methamphetamine not MDMA. i think the DEA just paid him off to cook a bullshit study up though :shakefist:


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 1
    #22075675 - 08/11/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i agree with bitter cactus for once here


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Sheekle]
    #22075843 - 08/11/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Regardless of the dangers, I don't understand why mdma is put on such a pedestal because all it does is increase serotonin levels. Big whoop, ssris and maois do the same thing. Just not to the same extent.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22075866 - 08/11/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

all it does is increase serotinin levels.... you have any idea how good those increased levels are? so any drug that just increases certain levels in your brain is not worth looking at? because thats most


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22075914 - 08/11/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Some people get significant euphoria by increasing their serotonin levels, but for some reason I don't. Maois and ssris only mildly increase my mood, unless I'm feeling particularly bummed out, then they make a significant difference. They don't actually take me from a normal mood to feeling unusually ecstatic.

However, psychedelics do make me feel unusually ecstatic..well, .mescaline and DMT, LSD and mushrooms uplift my mood but not to the same extent.

Also, cocaine makes me feel incredibly ecstatic, and caffeine makes me feel good. I feel as though I respond well to DOPAMINE/catecholamine induced euphoria, and serotonin receptor modulation that certain psychedelics do, but I don't naturally respond THAT strongly to increased serotonin levels

Maybe if my serotonin levels were ever increased to dangerous levels by mdma then I would get a particularly great high from it, but that wouldn't be worth it


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22075923 - 08/11/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

real pure mdma at reasonable doses worke proper precautions (stay hydrated. Cool off, don't mix with certain other drugs etc) is very safe . It's safer then horse riding.

It's definitely one of the safer recreational drugs .


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22075933 - 08/11/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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real pure mdma at reasonable doses worke proper precautions (stay hydrated. Cool off, don't mix with certain other drugs etc) is very safe . It's safer then horse riding.

It's definitely one of the safer recreational drugs .




Not sure how you are even quantifying that. Safer as far as dying, but I don't think is a very good indicator of how inherently safe a chemical is on the brain/body.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22076035 - 08/11/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It definitely has a negative impact when taken to often.
I had a friend that took it all the time for a year.
He ended up really sensitive to loud noises and light and
was generally not as with it as he used to be.
I know a bunch of meth people and I really dislike
being around them. You always have to watch to make sure they don't pick up your things and walk away. People who take molly all the time lump into that same group and are annoying for other reasons.
Thankfully opiates do not fuck up the brain at all. 
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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: danielx] * 2
    #22076043 - 08/11/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think dose per dose MDMA is the hardest drug on your brain.

No other drug I know truly does that much of a damage to your brain in one dose. Lots of MDMA tards only use it once a week and the effects it has are pretty severe even if you do it more then once a month for a long time.

I honestly think doing mdma more then twice a year is even not good if you do it for a bunch of years in a row. The stuff is just hard on your serotonin system. I think I remember reading it fucks up your serotonin axon things really bad in just one dose.


I think meth is a way bigger risk cause of the addiction, but MDMA abuse is probably the worst thing you can do. It truly does fuck up your ability to be happy if you abuse it in a very short period of time.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22076087 - 08/11/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Evidence or GTFO

"serotonin axon things":burke:


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22076089 - 08/11/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Bro all I know is the axon is part of the neuron and MDMA destroys serotonin axons.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22076092 - 08/11/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Axons conduct electrical synapses, not chemical. You sound ridiculous.

Again, evidence or GTFO


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22076094 - 08/11/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I still say if you want euphoria or a bonding experience, mescaline (with medical weed to block nausea) or DMT are smarter options.

It's about what options are smarter. mescaline/DMT > mdma > cocaine, in terms of how smart of an option it is for euphoria/social bonding

If you wanna increase serotonin levels, pharmaceutical anti depressants are probably a safer long term option than mdma


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