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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: King Klick]
    #22074753 - 08/11/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

As your doctor I advise you to start eating that Molly right this instant.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22074756 - 08/11/15 03:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hopefully MAPS can get some serious funding and actually do some studys to show what's really going on. I think once these PTSD study's take off MDMA will be getting a lot more attention and people will start. It just pains Me to think of the random chemicals I use to eat in pills :facepalm: I wish so bad I had some common sense back then


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22075043 - 08/11/15 06:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Low dose "safe" ?

Moderate dose without redosing, pretty harmless when done once in awhile. Like once... a year :')

Acutely toxic and bad for emotional wellbeing when done in repeated doses and regimen; days, weeks, and months on end with increasing dosage.
Deadly also when hypothermia and dehydration are accounted for but that's a setting thing and up to the responsible user.

It comes with up- and downsides and I find most relies on the users intake and enviroment or what they try to get from the experience.
Pretty good for vasodillation and social bonding :-), opening up to someone can be a wonderful relief.

Just opinion ;-)


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Beanhead]
    #22075051 - 08/11/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I really should cut back but :aweyeah::sad:


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22075059 - 08/11/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes it's an absolutely wonderful chemical. Haven't done it in years now. O.o

Had a tickle a few weeks back but I used it a lot and way too much haha, I remember it fondly but i'm a bit tired of the feeling.

That being said. Taking MDMA and just sleeping in bed and hugging it out with someone you love is something i'd certainly do. Partying not so much anymore, I have amphs for that :awedance:


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22075184 - 08/11/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It eats holes through your brain, so it's not very safe.

Honestly I sometimes wonder if these types of myths are perpetuated just so those who know better have a more ready supply of it.





MDMA does NOT eat holes in your brain.

I just saw Rick Doblin speak about this a few weeks ago.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: yogabunny]
    #22075207 - 08/11/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

no way? you got to go see him speak?


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: 404]
    #22075229 - 08/11/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:awesomenod:

In SF a few weeks ago.

Stan Grof too, which I was really excited for, but his part was really disappointing. He's like 80-something now though.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: 404]
    #22075234 - 08/11/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

When I was young and getting in to MDMA I didn't think to look up dosages or even weigh the shit out.. I just ate it until I didn't want anymore. I know, stupid. But the point is that I'm fine, and really when I consider safety of a drug, I don't think about long term use. I think about whether a new user can find it accessible enough to not hurt themselves without any prior knowledge. MDMA is one of those drugs.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22075272 - 08/11/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I mean all bullshit aside I've know safe drug users that have used MDMA atleast 100-300 times and they're all fine with no problems, I've used the substance extensively with no problems. And from reports I've read from the 80's the people that use to roll every weekend are all fine even with aging. I know MDMA can be dangerous(any chemical can) but is rolling once a month or so really that bad for you? Our serotonin systems seem to be rather resilient so I'm thinking with careful dosing 120-150mgs, no re dosing, plenty of water and vitamins the day before/during/after plus 5-htp For the following week is there a great risk?:shrug:




"no problems" he says :rolleyes:

Just kidding. I figure MDMA probably is harmful when abused or taken too often but not as bad as Oprah says it is.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22075275 - 08/11/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You should always think about long term damage man :lol:


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22075292 - 08/11/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Rebelutionsssss said:
I mean all bullshit aside I've know safe drug users that have used MDMA atleast 100-300 times and they're all fine with no problems, I've used the substance extensively with no problems. And from reports I've read from the 80's the people that use to roll every weekend are all fine even with aging. I know MDMA can be dangerous(any chemical can) but is rolling once a month or so really that bad for you? Our serotonin systems seem to be rather resilient so I'm thinking with careful dosing 120-150mgs, no re dosing, plenty of water and vitamins the day before/during/after plus 5-htp For the following week is there a great risk?:shrug:




"no problems" he says :rolleyes:

Just kidding. I figure MDMA probably is harmful when abused or taken too often but not as bad as Oprah says it is.





Oprah has since changed her stance on MDMA!

Also the study that was widely quoted as causing holes in the brain has been retracted because they "accidentally" used METH not MDMA in the study.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/02/science/research-on-ecstasy-is-clouded-by-errors.html

Just like anything else MDMA should be used responsibly, but I believe wholeheartedly that its main danger is its illegality.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: yogabunny]
    #22075300 - 08/11/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I consider it less dangerous than meth in terms of addiction

They both have really shitty effects on the mind when abused but I never found MDMA to be really addictive like meth was to me

I guess it could kill you more easily though like if you're going nuts rolling your balls off at a rave and not drinking any water but that wouldn't really be the MDMA's fault


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22075323 - 08/11/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

it's pretty dangerous, but it doesn't have to be.  i'm speaking of my own experience, but it really messed me up.  my cognitive skills are not what they should be.  i was doing a lot of mdma though.  a few times a week for a long while, then i got into doing a gram a day.  the most notable adverse effects were definitely right after the abuse, but i still experience things that i contribute to my mdma/mda abuse.

if not abused, mdma can be great and not cause any damage.  but if you abuse mdma, you can cause some damage.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22075335 - 08/11/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You should always think about long term damage man :lol:



Not everyone does drugs continuously.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22075341 - 08/11/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've probably only used it like once or twice a year for the past 3 years so I don't have that much experience with it

But I used to be a regular meth fiend and that messed my brain up for a while but it's getting a lot better lately


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22075381 - 08/11/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

ACID is more dangerous imo.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: TheMovement]
    #22075502 - 08/11/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:justno:


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: TheMovement]
    #22075520 - 08/11/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Scientifically, dose by dose I would say MDMA is at least ten times worse for your brain then meth. Even one dose of MDMA leaves me feeling like complete shit once it has worn off and the crash feels really depressing and sketchy.

Compare that to when I used to shoot massive amounts of meth and stay up for six days in a row without sleep. Obviously the sleep deprivation was literally fucking my brain but taking that out of account honestly once I crashed and woke up from those binges I felt pretty fine and natural. Waking up after a night of using MDMA or E is just so uncomfortable and I get depressed.

I think if people used MDMA the way a meth addict uses meth they would be perma fucked for life.




HOWEVER, in real life situations, with real people with real life variables, MDMA is the safer drug cause unless you go full blown retard it won't consume your life. Sure that one time you take it it will honestly fuck a lot with your brain and serotonin heavily but you aren't gonna be doing it all the time like the way a meth addict ends up doing meth all the time.


Overal, dose per dose, I truly feel MDMA is significantly worse then meth, not even a competition. However, in real life scenerios, I would never introduce someone to meth but would introduce them to MDMA.


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Re: How dangerous do you guys feel MDMA truly is? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 2
    #22075526 - 08/11/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm glad we could get an expert in the field to weigh in on this.


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