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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22077861 - 08/11/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Heres my experience: https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157238

Use white ash as it has the highest calcium carbonate content.  I used weed ash, snailshell or eggshell.

Snorting burned but vaporization was quite rewarding.

I combo with my favorite vasodilator; kola nut... and the aformentioned rue seeds, also vasodilators, a great recommendation.

Make sure to first toast the beans to remove fats and about double potency by weight.


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1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: flickedbic] * 1
    #22079524 - 08/12/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok so after reading your post and then entropymancer's post I decided to use my  misc unverifiable Andenthera seeds. Great success! So heres the short of what I did. I have access to mj and that is a huge part but I guess tobacco could work. Anyway I toasted the seeds in my volcano vaporizer on max for about 2 mins after I heard them pop. I then very easily removed the husks of approximately 20 seeds of various sizes. I then smashed the shit out of them i  a mortar. Added an unkown amount of baking soda and enough water to make a wet paste. I kneaded the paste for a few mins in the mortar. Then rolled it into a ball an dried it in the sun for a few hours. Once the ball about the size of a ping pong ball dried I split it into 4ths and baked it for about 20mins on 200degrees. I then regroung the pellets into a dust and baked untill bone dry. Put the powder in a spice grinder to further refine it. I then mixed 50/50 by volume the powder and ground mj making it look like a very very dusty weed. Put it into a long wooden pipe and using a match took about 6 very deep tokes. 0 nasea. Very pleasant body load very similar to opium. A euphoric head feel. And very dmt esc closed eyes. The high lasted about 15 like that and then dropped slowly into a regular mj buzz. I would highly recommend this to anyone. Im still a little heady as this all took place about 30 mins ago. Im going to sandwich in much more powder this time.


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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: Amishmedic8]
    #22079560 - 08/12/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Whoa thanks for the feedback guys. How vivid are the closed eyed visuals when you smoke that? I would think it would be better to just smoke dmt or does it give a different experience?
I'm kind of looking forward to someone shooting cigarette sized lines of plant matter up each of my nostirls....but whom can I trust with such responsibility? hmmmmmmm  :wizardfail:


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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22079598 - 08/12/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Having tried to do the snort thing, its way way better smoked ima bout to do my secound run lots more powder this time. Id say its strangly more like opium and shrooms and it lasts maybe 30 mins. I had no adverse effects. Ive a weird tolerance so theres no telling what my threshold dose is. But about a tablespoon of seed powder. And a bit of mj. Im kinda interested to see if chewing B Cappi could potentiate the visuals. Which were there but only hiding just out of sight and had a dmt kinda look. You know aztec themes and idk that feeling. But thatll be for the third test.


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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: Amishmedic8]
    #22079653 - 08/12/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Amishmedic8 said:
Having tried to do the snort thing, its way way better smoked ima bout to do my secound run lots more powder this time. Id say its strangly more like opium and shrooms and it lasts maybe 30 mins. I had no adverse effects. Ive a weird tolerance so theres no telling what my threshold dose is. But about a tablespoon of seed powder. And a bit of mj. Im kinda interested to see if chewing B Cappi could potentiate the visuals. Which were there but only hiding just out of sight and had a dmt kinda look. You know aztec themes and idk that feeling. But thatll be for the third test.




Wow I might have to try that then....would 10 seeds be enough for a really good trip ya think?
Please let me know how your 3rd trip goes!


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Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22079745 - 08/12/15 02:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Kush_Zombie said:
I have 10 Cebil seeds and I was wondering how to make snuff? I'm preferably wanting to make it with ash rather than lime. What kind of ash do I use? Would cannabis or mesquite tree ash work? How much is a proper dosage.
I'm sure these questions have been asked before but I had problems finding these answers so any helpful advice is appreciated(:
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Before you do this yopo stunt, I would advise you to investigate the yopo trip reporsts at Erowid. In the list of Glowing Experiences there are 11 reports. In the list of Difficult Experiences there are 22. That's the kind of ratio that separates the wise man from the fool. The fool just keeps looking for somebody to man the other end of the blow gun he's got sticking out of one of his nostrils. The wise man just keeps walking.


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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: champinhom]
    #22079769 - 08/12/15 02:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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champinhom said:
Quote:

Kush_Zombie said:
I have 10 Cebil seeds and I was wondering how to make snuff? I'm preferably wanting to make it with ash rather than lime. What kind of ash do I use? Would cannabis or mesquite tree ash work? How much is a proper dosage.
I'm sure these questions have been asked before but I had problems finding these answers so any helpful advice is appreciated(:
;




Before you do this yopo stunt, I would advise you to investigate the yopo trip reporsts at Erowid. In the list of Glowing Experiences there are 11 reports. In the list of Difficult Experiences there are 22. That's the kind of ratio that separates the wise man from the fool. The fool just keeps looking for somebody to man the other end of the blow gun he's got sticking out of one of his nostrils. The wise man just keeps walking.




Funny, I heard similar remarks about when I planned on doing Amanita Muscaria mushrooms and ended up having an extremely enlightening experience. I maybe a fool but I'm a determined one.


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Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: Amishmedic8]
    #22080161 - 08/12/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Amishmedic8 said:
Having tried to do the snort thing, its way way better smoked ima bout to do my secound run lots more powder this time. Id say its strangly more like opium and shrooms and it lasts maybe 30 mins. I had no adverse effects. Ive a weird tolerance so theres no telling what my threshold dose is. But about a tablespoon of seed powder. And a bit of mj. Im kinda interested to see if chewing B Cappi could potentiate the visuals. Which were there but only hiding just out of sight and had a dmt kinda look. You know aztec themes and idk that feeling. But thatll be for the third test.




That's a trip, because people say the same thing about changa, in fact when it first came out people thought it contained an opioid...

(Changa is where you take DMT and dissolve it in a solvent, then you pour the solvent on plant matter and let it evaporate leaving the plant matter infused with DMT.)

-E. Borodin


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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22080198 - 08/12/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Kush_Zombie said:
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champinhom said:
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Kush_Zombie said:
I have 10 Cebil seeds and I was wondering how to make snuff? I'm preferably wanting to make it with ash rather than lime. What kind of ash do I use? Would cannabis or mesquite tree ash work? How much is a proper dosage.
I'm sure these questions have been asked before but I had problems finding these answers so any helpful advice is appreciated(:
;






Before you do this yopo stunt, I would advise you to investigate the yopo trip reporsts at Erowid. In the list of Glowing Experiences there are 11 reports. In the list of Difficult Experiences there are 22. That's the kind of ratio that separates the wise man from the fool. The fool just keeps looking for somebody to man the other end of the blow gun he's got sticking out of one of his nostrils. The wise man just keeps walking.




Funny, I heard similar remarks about when I planned on doing Amanita Muscaria mushrooms and ended up having an extremely enlightening experience. I maybe a fool but I'm a determined one.




Having done Yopo via having it blown up my nose by another human I can tell you it's an ordeal, it's like mixing psychedelic shamanism and ordeal shamanism...

I got down on my knees and put the tube in my nose...THWACK! It felt like a punch from a boxing champ, I gasped for air, I was drooling, eyes watering, face burning, and reeling from the shock of the "punch" of a tablespoon of powder with the consistency of baking soda as it was rocketed into my sinuses....in pain and disoriented they sat me back up, and put the tube in my other nostril...all over again...you do experience a DMT flash, but your drooling, blind, with purple-face gasping for air and bleeding out my nose, its complete sensory over load....

Like I said it's easy to do the first time, because you don't know what's comming...imagine taking a hit of DMT/5-MEO-DMT and then being hit in the face with a 2x4 as you exhale...but worse because the stuff is embedded in your sinuses and feels like a solid object when it goes in...and as I said before, for days after disgusting seed powder and blood would drip from my sinuses into my throat, my face hurt for days after as well...

...at the same time I don't regret it, I just don't have the courage to ever try this way again....

I had never heard of Yopo, I had no idea what it was, they just said "DMT" at some point and I foolishly said "let me try!"

...the pain outlasted the DMT flash.






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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22080420 - 08/12/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Haha I may just make the smoke blend now that you mention it -eh hem-
The more I keep hearing about it, the less I feel the need to do it via traditional methods :grin:


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Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22085081 - 08/13/15 06:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Haha I may just make the smoke blend now that you mention it -eh hem-
The more I keep hearing about it, the less I feel the need to do it via traditional methods :grin:




In my opinion the best thing you could do is an extract, pull the pure DMT from the seeds and smoke it that way...

Or eat the seeds with an MAOI, that will provide an ayahuasca similar trip lasting 4-6+ hours, where smoked DMT is 15 minutes...

Either way, those seeds are still plenty useful...



In the picture above botanist Richard Evans schultes takes yopo.

When I took yopo the tube was 2 feet long, and a large amount (about a tablespoon) was loaded...
Perhaps there's an easier way...Or maybe schultes was just posing with the tube in his nose and not actually taking yopo...still that tube is WAY smaller than what they used on me...

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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22085215 - 08/13/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"DMT from the seeds and smoke it that way...

Or eat the seeds with an MAOI, that will provide an ayahuasca similar trip"

It's more than likely the beans are Anaddenanthera colubrina, active constituent Bufotenine not DMT per say.


Oral administration of Bufotenine with MAOI is not advisable.


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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: flickedbic]
    #22085232 - 08/13/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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"DMT from the seeds and smoke it that way...

Or eat the seeds with an MAOI, that will provide an ayahuasca similar trip"

It's more than likely the beans are Anaddenanthera colubrina, active constituent Bufotenine not DMT per say.


Oral administration of Bufotenine with MAOI is not advisable.





Your right, bufotenine and 5-MEO-DMT are the two actives, and neither mix well with an MAOI...

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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22085241 - 08/13/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm still debating as to whether bufotenine is even active...it has physical effect no doubt, but as far as psychological it's a gray area...

Here's part of bufotenine's section from TIHKAL:
QUALITATIVE COMMENTS : (with 1 mg, intravenously, over a three minute period) "Within a minute (from the start of the injection) I had a tight feeling in my chest and my face felt as if it had been jabbed by nettles and this lasted for about 6 minutes. I had fleeting nausea."

(with 2 mg, intravenously, over a 3 minute period) "I felt a tightness in my throat and stomach and it seemed that my pulse was racing, although apparently there was no change in either my pulse or blood pressure."

(with 4 mg, intravenously, over a 3 minute period) "During the injection, I first felt a burning sensation in my face, then a load pressing down from above, and then a numbness of the entire body. I saw red and black spots -- a vivid orange-red -- moving around. Apparently my purplish face color lasted some 15 minutes, well after my visual things had disappeared."

(with 8 mg, intravenously, over a 3 minute period) "I became lightheaded as soon as the injection started, and then my face turned purple and I became nauseated and I felt I couldn't breathe. I see white, straight lines with a black background. I can't trace a pattern. Now there are red, green and yellow dots, very bright like they were made out of fluorescent cloth, moving like blood cells through capillaries, weaving in and out of the white lines. I another two minutes, everything was pretty much gone."

(with 10 mg, intravenously, over a 50 second period) "My face was suddenly very hot. I could not breathe fast enough."

(with 10 mg, intravenously, over a 77 minute period) "There were no psychological changes."

(with 16 mg, intravenously, over a 3 minute period) "Almost immediately I felt a burning sensation in the roof of my mouth and I felt a tingling all over my body. My face turned purple, and my chest feels crushed. Everything has a yellow haze, and I was sweating heavily and I vomited. Words can't come. My mind feels crowded. When I start on a thought, another one comes along and clashes with it. I can't express myself clearly. I am here and not here. It has now been forty minutes and I feel better, but I still feel like I would like to walk it off, like a hang-over."

EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY : This is a presentation of the very earliest studies done with bufotenine with human subjects, studies with 14 schizophrenic patients at a state mental hospital and with two convicts in a state prison. Two convicts at a state prison were injected over the course of three minutes, with a solution of bufotenine as the salt. This single observation, a description of hyperserotoninemia (a release of serotonin in the blood, called a carcinoid flush) was all it took, at the right time and the right place, to put bufotenine on the books as a "dangerous drug" by FDA classification. And with the passage of the Controlled Substance Act of 1970, it was placed in Schedule I as a hallucinogen, with a high abuse potential and no accepted medical utility. Whatever the actual activity of bufotenine might be, and what role it could play in explaining the complex role of serotonin in the human animal, today it would be extremely difficult to study, because of the flushing of the face of an experimental subject in a prison in Maryland in study that occurred at just the wrong time.-shulgin

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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22086568 - 08/13/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Bufotenine HCl does not carry good psychological activity; only the freebase form is psychedelic.


Earlier in this thread amishmedic8 likened it to a cross between mushrooms and opium, I thought he was right on:  "Very pleasant body load very similar to opium. A euphoric head feel. And very dmt esc closed eyes."

That's freebase Bufotenine.



I sometimes call these magic beans "smokeable mushrooms" due to structural and experiential similarities.

That body high tho....


I don't think I'll ever again trip Bufotenine without a MAOI predose...  It's worlds better with MAOI.


Just don't EAT Bufotenine with a MAOI.


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1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: flickedbic]
    #22089571 - 08/13/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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flickedbic said:
Bufotenine HCl does not carry good psychological activity; only the freebase form is psychedelic.


Earlier in this thread amishmedic8 likened it to a cross between mushrooms and opium, I thought he was right on:  "Very pleasant body load very similar to opium. A euphoric head feel. And very dmt esc closed eyes."

That's freebase Bufotenine.



I sometimes call these magic beans "smokeable mushrooms" due to structural and experiential similarities.



I agree completely, smokeable mushrooms is a very apt description. But with a heavy body feel the more bean you smoke. Also tried just smoking unrefined bean and it didnt have any effect and horrible nausea,taste. Would you recommend chewing B Cappi 30 mins prior to smoking or..?


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Re: Making Yopo Snuff? [Re: Amishmedic8]
    #22089996 - 08/14/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Would you recommend chewing B Cappi 30 mins prior to smoking"

Absolutely.

Harmalas are ~3x as effective sublingually vs. orally, Bufotenine loves the extra canvas the MAOI provides, and the vasodilation from the Caapi harmalas is a nice bonus. 

One can also freebase caapi leaf or rue seed (for greatly enhanced smoking efficiency) to take a snap of before the Bufo.  I often both quid MAOI and then smoke some freebased MAOI immediately before Bufo. 


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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


Edited by flickedbic (08/14/15 04:46 AM)


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