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Can you get lye in your DMT crystals?
    #22072597 - 08/10/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Earthwalker's ACRB tek employs lye twice. Once during the preparation, and then once again during the second part (what he calls mini-AB).

I notice there's a strong emphasis on siphoning all of the naphtha to make sure you collect your DMT that's enriched in it. But by siphoning so close to the border of the lye/acid/rootbark soup, you also risk picking up some of the lye, don't you?

In other words, is it better to just play it safe and not be so greedy with the siphoning of naphtha? You may end up getting lye in the soup, right? Or is there some scientific reason why this is not possible?

For example with naptha, I would assume that if there was any naptha trapped in the crystals, the crystals would probably melt as it comes up to room temperature after freeze-precipitating.


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: cinderblock] * 1
    #22072635 - 08/10/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You can get lye in your final product... fortunately lye vaporizes at a fairly high temp, so there is very little chance of actually ingesting it... invest in a sep funnel & do a sodium carbonate wash & you'll have no worries...


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: leon trout]
    #22073074 - 08/10/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You can get lye in your final product... fortunately lye vaporizes at a fairly high temp, so there is very little chance of actually ingesting it... invest in a sep funnel & do a sodium carbonate wash & you'll have no worries...




When you say it "vaporizes at a high temp," could you clarify what you mean?

Do you mean the naphtha disappears as soon as you light your pipe? Wouldn't you still be ingesting it though as you inhale?


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: leon trout]
    #22073095 - 08/10/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, unless you own something sweet like a seperatory funnel you are going to have to leave a layer of naptha each pull.

The good news is you are going to be doing several pulls so you will get what you left behind in subsequent pulls. When the naptha isnt pulling anymore crystal you stop, and there will be very little product in that left behind layer.

If you see any red droplets of basic solution in your jar you collect your naptha pulls in it means you pulled lye solution in, and all you have to do is siphon the naptha once more into another jar.

The lye remains in the basic solution which seperates and falls to the bottom, like oil and water.. so if you suck up clear naptha its doubtfull you pulled up lye.


You can wash with sodium carbonate too if you wish but Ive never found it nessesary.



Id like to think my crystal is pretty clean


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: mushpunx]
    #22073173 - 08/10/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

cleaner than yo nails lol:crazy2:


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: mushpunx]
    #22073216 - 08/10/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yea, unless you own something sweet like a seperatory funnel you are going to have to leave a layer of naptha each pull.

The good news is you are going to be doing several pulls so you will get what you left behind in subsequent pulls. When the naptha isnt pulling anymore crystal you stop, and there will be very little product in that left behind layer.

If you see any red droplets of basic solution in your jar you collect your naptha pulls in it means you pulled lye solution in, and all you have to do is siphon the naptha once more into another jar.

The lye remains in the basic solution which seperates and falls to the bottom, like oil and water.. so if you suck up clear naptha its doubtfull you pulled up lye.


You can wash with sodium carbonate too if you wish but Ive never found it nessesary.



Id like to think my crystal is pretty clean




Thanks for the thorough reply.

Do you know any teks that use the separatory funnel? I found one that's ancient and the directions are extremely general.

I searched Amazon, and it seems like a set costs around $50. Is it that much more efficient?

Also, can't the lye droplets be microscopic?

And finally, you're probably always gonna have to sacrifice that final layer, no matter how many pulls you make, right? I don't really mind, if it means I won't be getting any of the lye.


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: cinderblock]
    #22073313 - 08/10/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You could use a seperatory funnel with any tek, its just a tool to make the naptha pulls less of a pain in the ass. But if you are carefull, and yea leave a buffer instead of trying to pull up every drop, a turkey baster will work fine. Look for a glass one, dont suck naptha into the rubber bulb or it will degrade.

I wouldnt worry about the lye so much man, youll be ok. Be more worried about the naptha, make sure you give your spice ample time to dry


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: mushpunx]
    #22073369 - 08/10/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You could use a seperatory funnel with any tek, its just a tool to make the naptha pulls less of a pain in the ass. But if you are carefull, and yea leave a buffer instead of trying to pull up every drop, a turkey baster will work fine. Look for a glass one, dont suck naptha into the rubber bulb or it will degrade.

I wouldnt worry about the lye so much man, youll be ok. Be more worried about the naptha, make sure you give your spice ample time to dry




I don't know. I guess because naphtha evaporates, so any residues on the crystals will evaporate. And if there's any trapped in the crystals, most likely the crystals will melt as the naphtha in it returns to room temperature, right?

And everybody seems to freak out about lye. Well, you have two extremes. The DMT community seems very blase about lye, and I get the overwhelming feeling it's based on ignorance/negligence. And then you have the rest of the people (Shroomery folks) who won't dare introduce lye into their residential space. It's hard to gauge a reasonable middle ground. But I guess I'm willing to take the risk if it means I could try DMT.

Thanks for the rubber bulb tip and glass. I would've never known otherwise. What do you think of this model?

http://www.amazon.com/Norpro-5897-Glass-Baster/dp/B0000CFSHX/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439257519&sr=8-1&keywords=turkey+baster+glass


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: cinderblock]
    #22073991 - 08/10/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I hear you man I was worried about it first extraction too haha. There are better, food grade chemical to extract with like D Limononene and food grade pickling lye but Ive never had any issues with the hardware store stuff. If you do this ALOT then definitly worth looking into!

For the paranoid there are always washes. I do recomend Re crystalizing in a second run of naptha as it can take extra plant matter/uwanted stuff out, and sodium carbonate wash would render any remaining lye particles harmless but Ive never used one.

Also, you are smoking the drug, not swallowing. Yes, Im sure smoking chemicals isnt great but you are less likely to poison yourself if you did a bad extraction than IV or oral route :shrug:


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: cinderblock]
    #22074112 - 08/10/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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When you say it "vaporizes at a high temp," could you clarify what you mean?

Do you mean the naphtha disappears as soon as you light your pipe? Wouldn't you still be ingesting it though as you inhale?




There should be no naptha remaining before you smoke... what I mean is that the temperatures achieved during smoking/vaping are not high enough to vaporize lye... any trace amounts of lye in the final product will remain as lye, in the ash...


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: leon trout]
    #22074127 - 08/10/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You could avoid lye altogether an just a simple A/B extrction  :shrug:


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: leon trout]
    #22074339 - 08/10/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You could avoid lye altogether an just a simple A/B extrction  :shrug:




lye is the base in the a/b lol.

OP as mentioned get a sep funnel, i don't get how all the teks don't call for one really. Makes the whole extraction process seem pretty "shake 'n bake"


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #22074910 - 08/11/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sep funnels rule but I dont think the average home extractor would get enough use to warrant buying one unless they plan on doing this a lot

If you dont use one you are essentially just using a big pippette to pull off the solvent layer, pretty normal stuff for labs :shrug:


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: mushpunx]
    #22075035 - 08/11/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You don't really need one. You just do a number of pulls. If you're worried about losing product in the last little bit of solvent you can't decant easily, do another pull.


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #22078609 - 08/11/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You could avoid lye altogether an just a simple A/B extrction  :shrug:




lye is the base in the a/b lol.

OP as mentioned get a sep funnel, i don't get how all the teks don't call for one really. Makes the whole extraction process seem pretty "shake 'n bake"



A/B refers to a food grade extraction, like using vinegar and food grade pickling lime

STB was the tek used with lye?

At least thats how I remember it about 3 years ago. Maybe times are changing


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #22078640 - 08/11/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nope A/B refers to acid base extraction. Like vinegar and lime.


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Re: Can you get lye in your DMT crystals? [Re: healing]
    #22079578 - 08/12/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Nope A/B refers to acid base extraction. Like vinegar and lime.




Or vinegar & lye... lye is the cheapest & easiest base you can use, there's absolutely no reason to fear it... I've got a big tub of it under my sink & no one's died yet... I'm gonna use some of it soon, & chances are I'm gonna come out unscathed... using less efficient bases is just, well, less efficient...


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