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OfflinePatlal
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So like, how does the art business work?
    #22072420 - 08/10/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Let's say I draw something cool, somebody sees it and asks me how much I want for it. What do I answer?

How do you calculate the value of drawing? Hours times a rate that you make up + cost? What If I drew something better in less time than something else, does the same calculation apply?

I have no clue how to evaluate the value of art and it annoys the shit out of me because when it comes to business, I generally have a good idea how things work but art is a fucking mystery to me. Same goes for paintings. Anything that you create that has no other purpose than to look nice.

So, which one of you has a clue? Who sold art in the past? How did you come up with the price?

Art, how does it work!

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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: Patlal]
    #22072445 - 08/10/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I make paintings but I don't sell them. I keep track of the hours I put into it so if anyone asks to buy one I have a starting point. I would charge whatever my hourly rate is at my normal job. Unless I'm really attached then its going to be a lot more


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: Patlal]
    #22072571 - 08/10/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's all relative. If you like one painting more than another, you have every right to inflate that price. Whether anyone will buy it or not is another story. In barter, it's always good to gauge how the other party values the dollar; and aim high.

You may think something is utter trash that a millionaire would throw a cool couple thousand at with gusto. You may be starving and need a quick cheap sale.

There's no way to know your marketability unless you are sampling the market. It's in constant flux.

Ps, this is so vague because you are talking about combining subjective and monetary values. Interesting stuff! The  subjectivity precludes standardization.


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: Patlal]
    #22072611 - 08/10/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So like, how does the art business work?




First, you make a machine that turns food into poop.
Then you charge people admission to smell and look at your poop.
Then you sell your poop on the internet,
Or turn your poop into capital for your company and offer bonds on sale at banks.



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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: Tantrika]
    #22072642 - 08/10/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'd be wary about his advice, OP. I think he's selling Jenkem.


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22072934 - 08/10/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You either sell it or offer to paint another piece for a commission. Very few artists make a living that way, but some do, I know someone who's barely 20 that I went to highschool with, and he has a gallery owner working exclusively with him. Another kid from highschool sold a piece to Lady Gaga that was definitely a nice chunk of change.

Mostly though, artist offer their talents to design firms or companies, or they're curators or involved with arts administration, or teaching of some kind. You'd be surprised at what kind of places an artist could get a job that isn't doing comissions.


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22072977 - 08/10/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the art business doesn't work, so like.


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: Patlal]
    #22072981 - 08/10/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There's definitely an element of demand as well.  People pay top dollar for pieces from famous artists (obviously).  I'm not really "into" art, but I value original works.  I have a couple shroomery pieces around the house that I put on the wall.


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: badchad]
    #22072983 - 08/10/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, if you're famous in the art world, you can sell your own shit for well into the 5 figures.
And by that I mean, someone already has done it. He named it "Artist's shit" if you want to look it up.


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #22072995 - 08/10/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The price of a piece is predicated on the general reputation of the artist.  It is mostly nonsense.  That value isn't in the piece itself it is in the reputation of the artist.  You find a painting in the attic.  It is by a famous artist.  Unless you can prove that, it will probably get a few bucks.  If you can prove it is by some name you could get a lot more.  Same painting.  All bullshit


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22073002 - 08/10/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the institution of art is art itself.

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zappaisgod said:
You find a painting in the attic.  It is by a famous artist. Unless you can prove that, it will probably get a few bucks.




it's like, like art, only it's only so like so, so doesn't count.

my brain is turning into cockroaches.


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22073067 - 08/10/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Like anything it's value is only as much as someone deems. Realistically I wouldn't pay more than 500 for a normal canvas painting. Names mean a lot to some people though. The only art worth buying comes from starving artists.


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: Patlal]
    #22073075 - 08/10/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Art prices are dependent on your level of fame as an Artist. If you aren't well known you could get anywhere from 40 bucks to a few thousand for a piece. Just depends on who wants it

If you're good then rent a gallery for the evening and invite a couple thousand people, of which maybe 100 will show up and you may or may not sell out


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22073096 - 08/10/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

and have cheese and wine if you want people to take yous seriously, it is all about presentation.


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: King Klick]
    #22073147 - 08/10/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

King Klick said:
Like anything it's value is only as much as someone deems. Realistically I wouldn't pay more than 500 for a normal canvas painting. Names mean a lot to some people though. The only art worth buying comes from starving artists.



the only art worth buying is what's good, which is subjective; and so is the prices.


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22074488 - 08/11/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This is the golden age of grotesque that we're living in, as Marilyn Manson says it. Art is practically, unfortunately, dead.

If you want to make good money in art, you can do graphic design, but it's extremely competitive.


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: occollegeboi]
    #22074507 - 08/11/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I watched this lately I thought it was a pretty interesting take on the high-stakes rich-people art.



Most of the artists I know sell shit online or at shows, or work in commercial industries related to art but not exactly what they want to do.

For me the second money changes hands, it is a commodity, which doesn't mean it's not art but the value assigned is out of the hands of the creator and it's not art in the true sense of an individual giving an honest expression of feelings to me, unless their art boils down to impressing people into giving them money.

As far as I'm concerned, art business is an oxymoron.


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: occollegeboi]
    #22074691 - 08/11/15 02:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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occollegeboi said:
This is the golden age of grotesque that we're living in, as Marilyn Manson says it. Art is practically, unfortunately, dead.

If you want to make good money in art, you can do graphic design, but it's extremely competitive.



Arts not dead. People just don't appreciate


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: King Klick] * 1
    #22074702 - 08/11/15 02:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's definitely not dead at all. That's just like saying there's no good music nowadays and you can only listen to stuff from 20-40 years ago. There's plenty of good music, you just have to look for it. Same thing for art. My city has hired a lot of artists to paint murals practically everywhere, I think it's ranked as having the most street art and public art in the country. I've stumbled across the most beautiful things in the oddest sections of the city that you wouldn't expect.

Like the night I saw a 9 foot rose encased in a glass cube that looked like ice. It was on the eve of Hurricane Irene I was high and pretty drunk, it was late(probably should've just got a cab) and I was walking through the neighborhood that inspired David Lynch's 'Eraserhead'. It was a really beautiful moment. Felt like it was put there just for me.


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Re: So like, how does the art business work? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22075434 - 08/11/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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pirate-blues said:
It's definitely not dead at all. That's just like saying there's no good music nowadays and you can only listen to stuff from 20-40 years ago. There's plenty of good music, you just have to look for it.




Yeah people always forget that with the older stuff, history has already selected against the forgettable crap.


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