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710mushie
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Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube
#22072399 - 08/10/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My set up is a large plastic tub with holes all around and on top of lid. On one end I have a fan tapped into a hole (best seal I could do to put the fan in) and then a lamp on top, both on the same timer for 12 hours on and 12 hours off. Now during fruiting I have half inch of perlite on bottom.
I have 3 trays in my tub. 2 golden teacher and 1 B Spores are from spore syringes and substrate just simple mix of vermiculite from home deport and rye seed from online.
I cased them 9 days ago and kept tin foil with holes covering for 7 days. I took tin foil off and now it's day two and they haven't changed much. Is this normal ? Am I just being impatient? Or is something wrong with my set up? There's some blue on the trays where I bruised them a little and on the side of array closest to the fan.
Humidity is at 100% and temps stay around 75-80 F.
Edited by 710mushie (08/10/15 05:59 PM)
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: 710mushie]
#22072465 - 08/10/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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shut the fan off get more perlite elevate your fc and stop calling it a tube
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: cronicr]
#22072543 - 08/10/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I believe you are using the words "substrate" and "casing" wrong. Verm and rye does not a substrate make. If I left a casing on for a whole week it would not be a casing anymore, I fruit 2-3 days after applying a casing. Welcome to the Shroomery!
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: Invader Zim]
#22072709 - 08/10/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What casing do you use ? And why do I need more perlite of my humidity is already at 100%?
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: 710mushie]
#22072718 - 08/10/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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because it isn't' at 100%, 1/2 and inch does not cut it ya want at least 4 inches in there
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: cronicr]
#22072746 - 08/10/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Op: post a pic. I want to see this "tube" you speak of..
Also remove the vendors name from the first post.
Cron: I thought you were azur but I didn't think he was a TC..
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: 2shoes]
#22072870 - 08/10/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry for the tube confusion. My phone autocorrected it. My gauge says the humidity is at 100% should I still put more perlite? Should I stop using fan all together? Or just cut down the hours it's on? Thanks everyone.
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: 710mushie]
#22072904 - 08/10/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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post some pics but fans are not good for sgfc's and your hygrometer is more then likely digital and not meant for these settings, ditch it they are not needed
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: newera]
#22072945 - 08/10/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, so no more fan. My thermometer is men for plants. But I will add more perlite to be safe. Will post pics soon.
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: 710mushie]
#22072952 - 08/10/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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710mushie said: Ok, so no more fan. My thermometer is men for plants. But I will add more perlite to be safe. Will post pics soon.
yep and they work good at about 50% humidity, analogues work best but there is no need for a hygrometer anyway just mist as needed
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: cronicr]
#22074016 - 08/10/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What is to much humidity ? I put another inch of perlite and added a little humidifier I had into the tub. How do I know what is to much and just enough?
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: 710mushie]
#22074025 - 08/10/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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when yopur at a constant 99%+ and you get no evaporation you just waterlog your cake/sub, take the humidifier out and just mist as needed and elevate your fc
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: cronicr]
#22075008 - 08/11/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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@ Cronicr, why do you keep saying to elevate his FC? Op never indicated his FC isn't elevated.
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: Invader Zim]
#22075242 - 08/11/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Elevating the chamber will help with the needed airflow.
Op doesn't seem to understand that the chamber is essentially controlling evaporation.
Ditch the humidifier and the humidity gauge.
Learning to read cakes, misting with a spray bottle and fanning will improve your yields over some half ass wanna be auto set up.
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: 2shoes]
#22075358 - 08/11/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Invader Zim said: @ Cronicr, why do you keep saying to elevate his FC? Op never indicated his FC isn't elevated.
OP never said it was either
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: Peter Pan]
#22075425 - 08/11/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Learning to read cakes, misting with a spray bottle and fanning will improve your yields over some half ass wanna be auto set up.
Op is not using cakes but sound advice non the less.
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Invader Zim said: @ Cronicr, why do you keep saying to elevate his FC? Op never indicated his FC isn't elevated.
OP never said it was either
Oh yeah that's real good logic there bud
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: Invader Zim]
#22075444 - 08/11/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Invader Zim said:
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Peter Pan said:
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Invader Zim said: @ Cronicr, why do you keep saying to elevate his FC? Op never indicated his FC isn't elevated.
OP never said it was either
Oh yeah that's real good logic there bud
Yeah where does he say it? Show me.
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: Peter Pan]
#22075490 - 08/11/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are you serious? It doesn't say either way, that's the point... why would you assume it's not elevated, because Cronicr implied so? Read the whole thing and ask yourself, why am I assuming something based on nothing?
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: Invader Zim]
#22075495 - 08/11/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Invader Zim said: @ Cronicr, why do you keep saying to elevate his FC? Op never indicated his FC isn't elevated.
its just a very common newbie mistake. like thinking the bottom holes arent important. not gonna put words in crons mouth but when he's seen it thousands of times he just assumes here's another one. its good info none the less for any possible lurkers too!
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: spacechildo]
#22075542 - 08/11/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very true. Is it just me or does it read as if OP just mixed verm in with (colonized) rye as substrate ? What did you case with OP?
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: spacechildo]
#22075548 - 08/11/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Invader Zim said: Are you serious? It doesn't say either way, that's the point... why would you assume it's not elevated, because Cronicr implied so? Read the whole thing and ask yourself, why am I assuming something based on nothing?
Hmmm.....Since he explained the other specs of his SGFC but didn't say that it was elevated, that would lead me as well to assume it's not elevated. Especially considering he is using a humidifier and elevating the SGFC is specifically to maintain proper humidity without a humidifier. Obviously he has a lot to learn. Get a grip.
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
#22075579 - 08/11/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think you guys doing all this assuming are forgetting that to assume makes an ass outta you and me
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: Invader Zim]
#22076179 - 08/11/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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and exactly what have you brought to the table here?
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: cronicr]
#22077000 - 08/11/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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A simple question for you that you have not answered. I'm the only one asking the important questions like what his spawn and casing is... All you did was belt out some orders like some know it all.
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: Invader Zim]
#22077082 - 08/11/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think asking if his SGFC is elevated is pretty important.
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: Invader Zim]
#22077155 - 08/11/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: and exactly what have you brought to the table here?
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Invader Zim said: A simple question for you that you have not answered. I'm the only one asking the important questions like what his spawn and casing is... All you did was belt out some orders like some know it all.
the question was answered as well as all the other ones..
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cronicr said: shut the fan off get more perlite elevate your fc and stop calling it a tube
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cronicr said: because it isn't' at 100%, 1/2 and inch does not cut it ya want at least 4 inches in there
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cronicr said: when yopur at a constant 99%+ and you get no evaporation you just waterlog your cake/sub, take the humidifier out and just mist as needed and elevate your fc
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Invader Zim said: @ Cronicr, why do you keep saying to elevate his FC? Op never indicated his FC isn't elevated.
because it's important that it is elevated as someone else already said
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Invader Zim said: Are you serious? It doesn't say either way, that's the point... why would you assume it's not elevated, because Cronicr implied so? Read the whole thing and ask yourself, why am I assuming something based on nothing?
gimme a break kid
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: cronicr]
#22077608 - 08/11/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nope, you still have failed to answer the question. So Illl repeat it one last time; why did you tell OP to raise his FC? Despite what you may think, you are not psychic and do not know for a fact that his FC isn't already elevated. I dont expect an answer because you just want to act like a known it all on your high horse. Come off it already, you grow fungi.
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: Invader Zim]
#22077743 - 08/11/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Invader Zim said: Nope, you still have failed to answer the question. So Illl repeat it one last time; why did you tell OP to raise his FC? Despite what you may think, you are not psychic and do not know for a fact that his FC isn't already elevated. I dont expect an answer because you just want to act like a known it all on your high horse. Come off it already, you grow fungi.

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newbie2shoes said: Elevating the chamber will help with the needed airflow.
jesus christ lol! i dont' care weather or not his fc is elevated sometimes you just gotta point out the not so obvious...beat it already
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: cronicr]
#22077783 - 08/11/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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let's assume he doesn't' know lots of shit then shall we....
well i'm awake and bored so i'm gonna post some stuff from my journal i use as a refrence..enjoy and feel free to add your own 2 cents or articles you like as this is all just gathered from the wonderfull world of the internet(and might not all be about cubes)and is just here for discussion purposes so i will start with what spores are and how there distributed and go from there
Spore discharge and dispersal in mushrooms Mushrooms are basidiomycetes (SEE TWO MAJOR GROUPS) with numerous basidia on each gill. A typical basidium is a club-shaped structure, usually with four prongs at one end. Each such prong is called a sterigma (with sterigmata the plural form) and the spores develop at the tips of the sterigmata. Here is a stylized drawing of a basidium, shown in green, with four brown spores

The colours in this diagram (and in the ones to follow) have no significance and are simply used to help differentiate the different structures. Moreover, the diagrams are stylized (rather than being faithful depictions of actual specimens) but illustrate the important structural features and principles involved. The structure of a gill is illustrated and explained in detail in the (SEE TWO MAJOR GROUPS). Remember that most mushrooms have gills that are V-shaped in cross section (with the point of the V at the bottom of the gill) and are oriented vertically. The basidia are held out from the gill surface and protrude into the air space between two gills. Thus, throughout their development, the spores are exposed to the atmosphere between the gills. In order to explain the way in which the spores are ejected from the basidia it is necessary to look more closely at the spore and its attachment to the sterigma.
In the diagram to the right the black, elliptical outline represents a mature spore on the end of a sterigma (coloured green, on the left).

Many spores are smooth and ellipsoid, so this illustrates a fairly common situation - but the following explanation holds for other spores as well. The red dot indicates the spore's centre of mass. Note that the spore has a short, blunt, off-centre spike (called an apiculus or hilar appendage) at one end and the spore is attached to the sterigma at the apiculus. Every mushroom spore has an apiculus - though there is some variation in size, shape and orientation of the apiculus between species. The apiculus-sterigma boundary is a line of weakness and by the time the spore is mature the link between apiculus and sterigma is very weak.
The discharge mechanism Now it is a simple matter to explain the way in which the spore gets off the gill and away from the mushroom cap. The following diagrams illustrate the first part of the process (ejection from the sterigma) and the explanations follow.
 1. Between the gills the air is still and very humid. At the point of the apiculus the spore secretes a small amount of sugar molecules. If you've ever left an open sugar bowl on a kitchen bench for a lengthy time, you would have come back to find that the sugar had picked up some moisture from the air. Sugar is an excellent absorber of water vapour. Given the surrounding high humidity between the gills, water condenses onto the sugar at the tip of the apiculus and forms a drop (the small, solid, greyish-blue circle). This drop is known as Buller's drop. At the same time a thin film of water forms on a large area of the spore surface and this is represented by the brighter blue layer over much of the spore outline. The growing drop leads to a significant increase in mass at the apiculus, thereby causing the centre of mass to move towards the apiculus, as shown by the red arrow.
2 and 3. The water drop continues to grow in size as more water vapour condenses onto the drop's surface. This draws the centre of mass well away from its original point. Eventually the drop grows large enough to come into contact with the film of water on the spore surface. The contact point is arrowed. The drop may grow quite large in relation to spore size.
4. As soon as the drop comes into contact with the film, the drop collapses, with the water in the drop flowing into the watery film. This happens very quickly and the centre of mass moves very rapidly in more-or-less the reverse direction (as, again, shown by a red arrow). Simultaneously the spore is given considerable momentum, there is a break at the weak apiculus-sterigma boundary and the spore accelerates along the axis of the changing centre of mass (so moving off in the direction shown by the black arrow).
To give you some idea of the difference in speed, steps 1 to 3 are analogous to someone slowly stretching an elastic band and then, in step 4, the elastic is released so that it returns to its original size almost instantaneously. The momentum generated by the collapsing water drop is enough to give the spore an acceleration of 25,000 times the force of gravity. By comparison the NASA Space Shuttle has a maximum acceleration of just a few times the force of gravity. The spore loses about 1% of its mass in the secretion of the sugars on the apiculus. To continue the rocket comparison, the Space Shuttle uses about 50% of its own weight in fuel during the first two minutes after launch.
After discharge - getting the spores further away While the spore leaves the basidium with a tremendous acceleration, it is small and quickly feels the effects of air resistance. The spore briefly follows an almost straight-line path away from the basidium, then slows, loses the forward momentum given by the initial acceleration and finally drifts down (under the influence of gravity) in the air gap between the gills until clear of the cap - where even the slightest of air currents will carry the spores further afield. In the following diagram the blue lines show the paths of a number of spores, some just released from the basidium and others nearly beyond the bottom of the gills and into the open air.
Once the spores have cleared the bottom of the cap, air currents carry them away. But even at the bottom of the cap there is a danger to overcome. Should a gently falling spore be exposed to the prevailing wind immediately after clearing the bottom of the cap, there is a risk of it's being blown back onto the bottom edge of a gill and so getting no further afield. Wind tunnel experiments have shown that immediately beneath the cap there's a narrow band (about 2-3 mm deep) where the wind speed is significantly lower than the incident wind speed. Below that band is a zone of greater wind speed and near the ground there is a boundary layer of calm air. On the leeward side of the cap there is always turbulent airflow.Thus the spore doesn't feel the full effect of the surrounding wind speed immediately after leaving the protection of the cap, so allowing more vertical movement to the spore before being subject to a dramatic wind-induced, horizontal acceleration. While the evidence suggests that this will prevent (or at least reduce) the incidence of spore blow-back onto the gills, that conclusion is still to be confirmed. Once the spores are a few millimetres away from the cap they can be picked up by the faster winds and carried considerable distances.

The wind-tunnel studies also showed that taller conical or bell-shaped caps showed the greatest reduction in wind speed below the cap. Interestingly, some common species of exposed windy, grasslands produce such caps

Of course, changes in wind speed and direction (during the descent of the spores) as well as interactions between the wind and nearby obstructions such as plants, rocks and fallen twigs will obviously affect the spore paths. For example, you will often see noticeable spore deposits on the ground beneath mushrooms - showing spores which did not get far away. However, while the wind-tunnel experiments will often reflect ideal (rather than natural) settings, such experiments do show that there is more to mushroom architecture than you might first suppose.
More about mushroom growth - and other ballistosporic basidiomycetes In the bulk of mushroom species the spores in different parts of a gill may mature at the same time. The spores near the bottom edge of a gill may mature at the same time as those at the top of the gill. So, at any given time, many different areas of a gill will be releasing spores into the surrounding air. This was shown above, in the diagram of spore trajectories between two gills. The vertical orientation of the gills is therefore critical, to maximise the number of spores that get beyond the confines of the cap. For example, the diagram (below) shows two, dramatically non-vertical grey gills. Any spore that begins the vertical part of its trajectory in the area shaded brown will not get beyond the cap, but will be trapped on the right hand gill. Spores are sticky, so once a spore lands on the opposite gill, it won't get any further

The possession of V-shaped gills also means that the air gap between neighbouring gills increases towards the bottom of the cap. While mushrooms do not sway greatly in the wind, they are not rigid structures. The increasing air gap gives the spores a better chance of escape, should the mushroom be tilted slightly (with the gills therefore no longer vertical).
During growth of the mushroom, the stem grows upwards, against gravity. It is necessary for the cap to be raised high enough above the still, surface boundary layer and any obstructions so that the falling spores can be dispersed by air currents. The gills also respond to gravity, but in the opposite way to the stem. Should something be not quite right with the cap orientation, the developing gills can make some corrections to ensure their proper orientation. In the bulk of mushroom species there are strong developmental controls aimed at ensuring that vertical gill orientation.
A spore that is shot off the basidium in the way described above is called a ballistospore. When a spore is shot off the basidium on the gill of a mushroom, it is important that the force isn't strong enough to send it to the neighbouring gill, for the spore would remain stuck there. On the other hand, the force must be sufficient to get the spore a reasonable distance away from the basidium, so that it doesn't get trapped on the gill it started from. While there is some variation in the distances that the spores of a specific mushroom species are ejected, the distances are all in a fairly narrow range. However, there is considerable variation in the ranges between species, with some species ejecting the spores no more than a tenth of a millimetre while others may shoot them out to half a millimetre.
Mushrooms are not the only basidiomycetes with ballistospores, for the same mechanism is found in various other types of basidiomycete fruiting bodies - boletes, the polypores, corticioid fungi, jelly fungi, coral fungi and stereoid fungi. Basidiomycetes such as puffballs, stinkhorns and the truffle-like species are "passive" spore releasers, without ballistospores. now lets talk...HOW MUSHROOMS REPRODUCE A Quick Analogy: A spore is much like a seed. It contains all of the genetic information that will grow and produce the fruit of the mushroom. The mushroom is the sex organ of the mushroom that will produce spores or "seeds".
The Definition: A spore is a nearly microscopic, sometimes single-celled reproductive body that is extremely resistant to desiccation and heat and is capable of growing into a new organism, produced especially by certain bacteria, fungi, algae, and nonflowering plants.
Mycelial Reproduction: When spores germinate (reproduce) a thread emerges from the spore casing. When two threads from different spore bodies intersect, they attempt to mate through a hook and clamp connection. A tiny pipe is opened between threads and genetic material is exchanged. The genetically complete threads become hyphae and begin to grow.
Spores have four combinations of sexes. Not all intersecting threads are able to mate. Not all matings will produce fertile mycelia.
Spores form as swellings on one or more subtending hypha in the soil or in roots. These structures contain lipids, cytoplasm and many nuclei. Spores usually develop thick walls with more than one layer and can function as propagules. Spores may be aggregated into groups called sporocarps. Sporocarps may contain specialized hyphae and can be encased in an outer layer (peridium). Spores apparently form when nutrients are remobilised from roots where associations are senescing. They function as storage structures, resting stages and propagules. Spores may form specialized germination structures, or hyphae may emerge through the subtending hyphae or grow directly through the wall.
A single spore contains a half set of chromosomes (known as haploid), much like any reproductive cell (ova or sperm). The spore has a protein sheath (the colored part that we can see) which encases the cell. When optimal conditions surround the spore, it will germinate. This is when it pushes its cellular mass through the protein sheath (at the germ pore) by expansion from re-absorbed water. This mass is a fine filament called the monokaryote (aka: the primary mycelium). It still has a half set of chromosomes. This monokaryote grows (still a single cell with a single nucleus) until it finds a compatible monokaryote to mate with. It does this by touching and dissolving its cell wall while the mate does the same. They effectively just merge to become one cell with 2 nuclei.
A Related Quote: "Asymmetric genome shuffling involves a fusion between a dikaryotic protoplast and a monokaryotic protoplast. Because only the cytoplasm of the monokaryon is inherited by the progeny, and one of either of the haplotypes of the dikaryon migrates into the progeny, the monokaryon is called a"recipient" and the dikaryon is called a "donor." Accordingly, the resulting fused dikaryotic progenies are heterokaryotic, but their cytoplasm is of the recipient monokaryon." (Tan)
Though the clamp connection serves a different function.
This is where things get strange. After the mating, the resultant cell can now reproduce by mitosis, but the cell still has 2 nuclei, as mentioned. So, when it mitoses, the 2 nuclei split for a total of 4 nuclei, but still only 2 cells. Speed of growth is much greater in these dikaryotic mycelial threads, because they don't have to stretch a single cell over a long gap. They simply split into more cells to spread.
Clamp connections form between 2 dikaryotic mycelial masses. This is how one of those little fuzzy white patches (aka mycelium) mates with the other white patches. The dikaryotic mycelia "clamps" together. Thus, reproduction is complete.
NOW TIME FOR... Function Spores either drop, or are ejected from the bottom of the mushroom cap. The miniscule size of spores allows them to get caught in, and carried along, gentle air currents. When most spores hit the ground, they fall on infertile ground: rocks, leaves of grass, streams, etc. The few spores that do fall on fertile ground send out shoots into the ground, finding other shoots, from other spores and starting a reproductive process, connecting and expanding the underground fungus system otherwise known as mycelium hyphae is just one filament of a fungi.. mycelium is a network of hyphae..
Hyphae compose the mycelium so they have the same function, digestion and absorption of nutrients from the environment, and producing spores and sporangia. The sporangium is the structure upon which the spores are produced. The spores produce new hyphae and mycelium.
It is through the mycelium that a fungus absorbs nutrients from its environment. It does this in a two-stage process. First, the hyphae secrete enzymes onto or into the food source, which break down biological polymers into smaller units such as monomers. These monomers are then absorbed into the mycelium by facilitated diffusion and active transport. Mycelia are vital in terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems for their role in the decomposition of plant material. They contribute to the organic fraction of soil, and their growth releases carbon dioxide back into the atmosphere. The mycelium of mycorrhizal fungi increases the efficiency of water and nutrient absorption of most plants and confers resistance to some plant pathogens. Mycelia are an important food source for many soil invertebrates. Sclerotia are compact or hard masses of mycelia. which leads us 2.... mushrooms
The main body of the fungus - - the part that's digesting the substrate - - is called a mycelium, and the threads that make it up are called hyphae (HIGH-fee). The fruiting body of the fungus is also made up of hyphae: the "fibers" in the stem of a mushroom are made up of hyphae running in parallel to make the stem strong; the cap of the mushroom is made of of hyphae so tightly interwoven that they seem to be one solid mass; Mushrooms are fungi, and are usually placed in a Kingdom of there own apart from plants and animals. Mushrooms contain no chlorophyll and most are considered saprophytes. That is, they obtain their nutrition from metabolizing non living organic matter. This means they break down and "eat" dead plants, like your compost pile does. The body of the mushroom stores nutrients and other essential compounds, and when enough material is stored and the conditions are right they start to fruit - produce mushrooms. It is a hidden kingdom. The part of the fungus that we see is only the “fruit” of the organism. The living body of the fungus is a mycelium made out of a web of tiny filaments called hyphae. The mycelium is usually hidden in the soil, in wood, or another food source. A mycelium may fill a single ant, or cover many acres. The branching hyphae can add over a half mile (1 km) of total length to the mycelium each day. These webs live unseen until they develop mushrooms, puffballs, truffles, brackets, cups, “birds nests,” “corals” or other fruiting bodies. If the mycelium produces microscopic fruiting bodies, people may never notice the fungus.
Most fungi build their cell walls out of chitin. This is the same material as the hard outer shells of insects and other arthropods. Plants do not make chitin.
Fungi feed by absorbing nutrients from the organic material in which they live. Fungi do not have stomachs. They must digest their food before it can pass through the cell wall into the hyphae. Hyphae secrete acids and enzymes that break the surrounding organic material down into simple molecules they can easily absorb - this is composting.
Mushrooms are nutritious: They are a good source of B vitamins, especially niacin and riboflavin, and rank the highest among vegetables for protein content. But because they are low in fat and calories, Western nutritionists mistakenly considered them of no food value (a fresh pound has only about 125 calories). Yet in dried form, mushrooms have almost as much protein as veal and a significant amount of complex carbohydrates called polysaccharides. Shiitake mushrooms are among the most delicious & very nutritious.
Mushrooming up over night? If the body is spread out and microscopic, how do mushrooms grow so quickly? There are two basic reasons: 1) Since they store up compounds between fruiting and most fruit once a year, they have a lot of reserve available to support the mushroom. 2) Mushrooms develop differently than plants or animals do. Plants and animals grow through cell division - to get bigger they have to produce more cells. Cell division is relatively slow and requires a lot of energy. The mushroom body also grows by cell division. However, the mushroom fruit does not grow by cell division. Just about as soon as it starts to develop, a mushroom has almost the same number of cells that the mature mushroom will have. The mushroom increases in size through cell ENLARGEMENT! This means that the cells can balloon up very rapidly. Very little energy is required, basically the cells just enlarge with water. So a mushroom can increase in size as fast as water can be pumped into its cells. Almost overnight a mushroom can go from a pin head to a large mushroom.
Some mushroom terms: hyphae (hí - fee) plural: the threads that form the body of a fungus (mycelium) mycelium (my - sée - lee - um): see hyphae mycorrhiza (my - koh - rý - zuh) singular; mycorrhizae (my - koh - rý - zee) plural: a beneficial combination between a fungus and a living plant root Nomenclature (nō - mən - klā'chər) a system of names or terms as used by an individual or community, especially those used in a particular science (scientific nomenclature). symbiosis (sim - by - óh - sis) singular; symbioses (sim - by - óh - sees) plural: a partnership formed between two living organisms.
Water
Mushrooms need water for their fruit to "grow".
Mushrooms have no skin so they can lose water to the atmosphere very easily. That is why they grow in high humidity (lots of water vapor in the air) conditions. If the humidity is too low the cells lose water faster than it can be "pumped" in and the immature mushroom dries up and dies.
Mushrooms love all the water they can get? NO! Mushrooms need to breath just like humans do, except they do not have lungs. Mushroom cells exchange gases directly with the atmosphere. If the body of the mushroom is submerged in water it is comparable to drowning. No oxygen can be exchanged, anaerobic bacteria (bacteria which do not need oxygen to thrive) build up, and the mushroom is choked to death.
It is almost the same with the mushroom fruit. If it is too dry they lose too much water and desiccate. However, if it is too wet - the humidity is too high - the excess water prevents any gas exchange and the developing mushroom chokes off. now that we know all this junk lets grow some mushrooms!
i like to start with agar then go to grain and you should follow the write ups below to get there but here's some friendly tips and stay tuned as i will be updating with more whats really going on shit here soon The optimum moisture content for spawn grain is between 49-54% (not counting the water in the uncooked grain). For example, with rye grain use1 cup of grain plus 3/4 cup of water (236 ml/cup) are placed into a one-quart jar. The lids are loosely placed on the jars and the filled jars are sterilized at 15 psi in a pressure cooker for 90 minutes. Calcium carbonate (chalk) can be added as buffer in the amount of one to three grams per jar, but its use is optional. Stamets recommends the addition of 1% (w/w) of a 1:4 chalk/gypsum combination. That is one gram of the chalk/gypsum to one hundred grams dry grain. When using these calcium buffers the volume of water should be increased by 10%. Stamets also advises soaking the grain for 12-24 hours prior to heat sterilization. This initial wetting will germinate heat resistant endospores. 4-10 hours soaking should be adequate. With healthy grain, the seeds will begin to sprout in 12-24 hours.
After the jars of grain have been sterilized, they are allowed to cool. They can then be inoculated with pieces of mycelium overgrown agar or with portions of sterile grain or sterile sawdust grown spawn. The jars are then stored in the appropriate environment with the filtered lids, to permit the exchange of gases. After 5-6 days, if growth seems slow or restricted to certain areas of the jars, the jars are again shaken to disperse the cells. Sometimes a third shake after 5 more days is required to ensure a saturated growth. Once the grain is saturated with pure mycelium it is ready to be used as inoculum for more grain, compost or sawdust medium, or it can be cased to induce fruiting.
Casing: The term casing refers to a non-nutritive soil-like layer which is put on top of a mycelium saturated grain or compost media. The casing layer helps to induce fruit formation, support the developing mushrooms and increase the fruiting yields. The casing also provides the moisture essential to the developing mushroom, and helps to maintain the appropriate humidity. A typical casing recipe is: 1 part peat 1 part vermiculite 1 part lime (calcium carbonate) This mixture is moistened tofield capacity and is then applied to the beds or jars to a depth of about an inch. The casing is kept moist by light misting, as needed; taking care that water does not soak into the mycelium below.
heres some links i like http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18431006 stro's agar prep http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18430998 stro's cleaning and isolating http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163 franks how i get shit done http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Download rr's vids http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17218726#17218726 tl's g2g in a sab
(some of this info is dated and needs correcting which is y i'm posting so we can get our heads together and fix this lol,and pics will be added once i sleep for a bit) if you have read this far thats probly half an hour of your life you will never get back and i apologize lol
This is part of my series "The Basics"
Principles and construction of Shotgun Fruiting Chambers (SGFC):
This guide is not focused on PF/BRF cakes per se. It's really just the basics of how the SGFC works. Having the basic concept of how it works is a good foundation to build on.
How it's madeA properly made SGFC Is made of a clear/transparent tote with 1/4" holes on all 6 sides about 2" apart in a grid pattern. All 6 sides means the 4 vertical sides AND top AND bottom. They need 4"-5" of damp perlite. You may need to rinse the perlite a few times to get rid of the dust. The dust can accumulate at the bottom, clogging the holes. A few pieces of perlite may fall through the hole, but only a few. Principle of operationA properly made SGFC uses natural air currents to create high relative humidity (RH) and constant fresh air exchange (FAE). The fresh air flows in through the bottom holes and rises up through the damp perlite assisting in evaporation. This evaporation is where you get your humidity. Because humid air rises, it flows up and out the other holes, thus allowing more fresh air in through the bottom. This is how you get constant FAE without sacrificing humidity. Some Things to ConsiderThe SGFC must not sit directly on a flat surface. It needs to be elevated. If not elevated, air can't flow in through the bottom and the whole system breaks down. You can set your SGFC on some half-pint wide-mouth jars to elevate it. I would say at least an 2 inches is minimum. I made a little stand for mine out of some PVC I had laying around. It's about 4" tall  Running a fan in the room with your SGFC will also disrupt the natural currents. Because of the constant FAE, your cakes will dry out if not misted regularly. Mist your cakes till they glisten with moisture and then fan the SGFC out. There is a magic time when your cakes are no longer glistening, but they still appear moist, this is when you want to mist and fan again. Mist as often as required. Schedules may vary slightly from region to region, but 3-6 times a day is pretty common. Misting and then evaporation off the cake surface promotes pin formation. Mist cakes directly with a fine mist. The over-spray helps keep your perlite damp. Misting the walls serves absolutely no purpose. The Misted Cake Project is a thread for pics of cakes to show what they look like at various stages of growth before and after misting. This thread will hopefully help you understand when to mist. CondensationCondensation forms on the inside walls when the temperature inside the SGFC is higher than outside the SGFC. A properly made SGFC shouldn't have enough of a temperature difference to cause condensation. If it does, then you are not likely getting good FAE. In other words, condensation is not a good sign of proper humidity, instead it's more of a sign of low FAE. Tub SizeYour SGFC needs to have enough room for 4-5 inches of perlite plus 5-10 inches of head space for cakes and growth. I use a 64 quart Sterilite 1928. Really big totes can cause cakes on the outer edge to dry/evaporate faster do to uneven circulation. Really small totes are not big enough to create it's own circulation system. Word to the wise: Don't get too bogged down wanting to know why stuff is done the way it's done or coming up with your own clever modifications or methods. Instead, do what is known to work and figure out why later. RoggerRabbit's SGFC VIdeo(part 3 shows the SGFC construction process)
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: cronicr]
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An emoji as a reply is pathetic at best.
jesus christ lol! i dont' care weather or not his fc is elevated sometimes you just gotta point out the not so obvious...beat it already
If you truly dont care, why are you telling him to elevate it? You just can't admit that it was a silly thing to say, considering you do not know his FC isn't elevated already. It makes you look like a know it all. Nice save though with the random wall of text lol.
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: Invader Zim]
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Invader Zim said: I think you guys doing all this assuming are forgetting that to assume makes an ass outta you and me
We were trying to help you ass hat!!! With no pictures to go off of how we supposed to know exactly what is going on.
Feel free to take your post elsewhere because you obviously bring nothing of value to the table.
Why do we care if OP has a shitty yield I sure don't..
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Invader Zim said: Nope, you still have failed to answer the question. So Illl repeat it one last time; why did you tell OP to raise his FC? Despite what you may think, you are not psychic and do not know for a fact that his FC isn't already elevated. I dont expect an answer because you just want to act like a known it all on your high horse. Come off it already, you grow fungi.
If its so easy show us how its done... or settle the fuck down noob...
I suggest option 2.
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: 2shoes]
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enjoy your break
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well you're still here
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Fair enough. Your reply was to me was the only reason I asked. Ive never been banned before though my lady would love it...
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well then just kidding but that was just a reply fail..i'd had enough of his trolling
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: 2shoes]
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I had read about some people just using a combo of wet and dry verm with colonized rye to case with. I've tried at with a tray, it's day 3 of fruiting conditions, is that because of that dumb verm casing? Or because of my set up ? The tray looks happy, but there is no pinning. If it's because of the casing can anyone help me out on how to fix my fuck up?
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: cronicr]
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Agreed... you put up with a fair amount before canning his ads.

OP: can we see a pic of your grow?
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: 2shoes]
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Pinning will take more than 3 days for sure..
Ive had luck with straight Verm casing. I just started using jiffy mix.
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710mushie said: I had read about some people just using a combo of wet and dry verm with colonized rye to case with.
it should always just be wet or rather at field capacity and 3 days is no reason to sweat
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Trying to combine everyone's advice I took out the humidifier and added the 4inches of perlite to the bottom and elevated the tub (yes the tub had holes in the bottom) then I misted because they looked a little dry. Light timer is now set to 12 hours off and 12 hours on.
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that's not nearly enough perlite tek says 3-5", and you need to elevate it off the surface so air can come up from underneath and its not a good idea to have a sgfc so close to the walls. get it out in the open.
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If I keep it Near those walls what will happen? My place has lots of air purifiers and weed is smoked (medically of course) constantly. That's why it's in the closet. Will add more perlite, thanks. It is off the ground. Does it need to be higher?
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it needs to be off whatever is keeping it off the ground. the point is that air comes through the bottom holes and into the chamber.
closets and sgfcs dont go well together, dont you have a room with no fans going?
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Re: Am I doing this correctly? Rye seed substrate, cases with vermiculate in fruiting tube [Re: spacechildo]
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Elevate that.
Take it out of the closet.
4" of perlite.
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So with my set up and if it stays in that closet. When do you think pinning will start? Or my first harvest?
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A while. Probably won't get the results you're looking for.
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If I take them out, will the weed and constant air flow around the house mess them up?
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Not as much as stale air. As long as there isn't a fan blowing air on it you'll be fine. Post pics of where it is and I'll let you know.
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after all that shit not talking to you 710 just found it sort of comical
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