|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
Acid Freak
Stranger


Registered: 08/10/15
Posts: 4
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
|
Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation?
#22071678 - 08/10/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Hi, I'm an absolute beginner, so please be patient with me lol. I'm looking to cultivate mushrooms in my spare room but I'm undecided as to which species to go with. I know Cubensis are probably to easiest to grow indoors, however I'm hoping to to grow something abit more potent. I've read that Azurescens and Cyanescens are very potent but infamously difficult to grow indoors. I was wondering if anyone could suggest a happy medium perhaps? Something more potent than Cubensis but with a good success rate for indoor growing. Ideally a species that won't require refrigeration. Don't mind putting in the hard work to achieve this. Thanks in advance! x
|
Matt87

Registered: 01/03/15
Posts: 3,339
Loc: Tennessee
Last seen: 3 days, 20 hours
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Acid Freak]
#22071727 - 08/10/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
What's wrong with cubes? You can get super strong ones through cloning and such. You can make extracts too if you still need a step up.
--------------------
  Once you understand the way broadly, you see it in all things. -Musashi
|
KauaiOrca
Waterman


Registered: 08/12/08
Posts: 3,131
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Matt87]
#22071749 - 08/10/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Sclerotia / Truffles is an option. Easiest to grow by far, much easier than Cubes. Ultimate set and forget until ready for harvest.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13431948/page/1
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
|
BLINKfan420
Jedi



Registered: 07/06/12
Posts: 1,078
Last seen: 5 months, 1 day
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22071780 - 08/10/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Why not grow Penis Envy? It is still a cube but it's much more potent and from what I've read, a little more difficult to grow.
I think PE's would be a good option if you're just looking for something more potent. I feel like you're going to end up disliking the hobby if you jump right into the hardest species to grow. It's not just following directions. There will be trial and error and unavoidable mistakes. I'd hate for you to try and fail and give up altogether. 
You have a lot of headaches coming your way but good luck man! 
BLiNK
--------------------
  All my pictures are drawn from imagination. I don't even know what a mushroom is.
|
Inocuole
Scalpel of Evil's Bane



Registered: 11/21/11
Posts: 24,863
Loc: ★
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: BLINKfan420] 1
#22071866 - 08/10/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
You're not going to find a species that give out the same amount of actives for the amount of effort you put in. If you're a beginner and you already think you need stronger mushrooms, then I laugh at you.
|
Darkhome
•Shaman•N•Training•



Registered: 07/10/15
Posts: 517
Loc: United States
Last seen: 7 years, 1 month
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: BLINKfan420]
#22071903 - 08/10/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
I want to start growing Sclerotia myself, as soon as I get the time...but Acid Freak...grow Cubes, trust me...they are rewarding...Amazing...and once you get your skills down you can isolate, clone, and grow VERY potent friuts... Everyone has their favorite type, but so far I'm a big fan of B+ or PESA (Amazonians)... If you want potency... Everyone seems to agree...the Penis Envy varieties are the best...I've also heard great things about Puerto Ricans...check out the "Strain Thread"... It's on the first page of the forums. I'm not knocking other species, I just think it you are new... Trying them might be setting yourself up for failure, but I could be wrong....post your Adventures.
-------------------- “The shaman is not merely a sick man, or a madman; he is a sick man who has healed himself.” ~Terence McKenna~ "NOTHING"...I post or say is "TRUE"...Any pictures are taken from the Web and any conversation is just research for a fictional character. That being said; He is constantly seeking knowledge and evolving.
Edited by Darkhome (08/10/15 02:00 PM)
|
Toadstool5
A Registered Mycophile



Registered: 01/22/15
Posts: 1,359
Loc: The Golden State
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22071913 - 08/10/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|

Just make a lemon tea out of 7g if you need stronger. If you are a beginner it will probably be hard enough for you to grow cubes, wood-loving you are almost guaranteed to fail without experience first.
-------------------- If you do not know where the mushroom products you are consuming are grown, think twice before eating them. - Paul Stamets AMU Teks Stro's Write Ups
|
Acid Freak
Stranger


Registered: 08/10/15
Posts: 4
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Acid Freak]
#22072015 - 08/10/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Hi, thankyou all for your feedback. Perhaps I'm being over ambitious lol. Thankyou KauaiOrca, I'll definitely look into truffles as an option. Thankyou BLINKfan420 and Darkhome, I think you're probably right and I should try cubes first Would you say PE's are the best strain or are there others you would suggest for a good yield and strong trips? I'm thinking of pan cyans too after reading some posts on them but I might just attempt a small batch of those, but focus mainly on growing cubes. Thanks x
|
Inocuole
Scalpel of Evil's Bane



Registered: 11/21/11
Posts: 24,863
Loc: ★
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Acid Freak]
#22072040 - 08/10/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Cubes and pan cambos or pan cyans are probably good bets but, the yield on the latter two is significantly reduced. Nothing like a full canopy of cubes...
|
Darkhome
•Shaman•N•Training•



Registered: 07/10/15
Posts: 517
Loc: United States
Last seen: 7 years, 1 month
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22072063 - 08/10/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
PE's are hard for a newbie...I would start with whatever cube sounds cool to you...PE takes a little more patience and skill...do a few cakes of say...B+...and some PE too...that way if you loose some you are OK...or better yet start with grain....here is a good link to get your journey underway...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837
-------------------- “The shaman is not merely a sick man, or a madman; he is a sick man who has healed himself.” ~Terence McKenna~ "NOTHING"...I post or say is "TRUE"...Any pictures are taken from the Web and any conversation is just research for a fictional character. That being said; He is constantly seeking knowledge and evolving.
Edited by Darkhome (08/10/15 02:41 PM)
|
Dr.Satan
Mad Professor



Registered: 06/26/15
Posts: 2,182
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Darkhome]
#22072192 - 08/10/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Cubes are good enough for most of us seasoned trippers, so being as you don't sound like you're all that experienced I would say it's likely you are under estimating the power the cube holds for you
--------------------

|
KauaiOrca
Waterman


Registered: 08/12/08
Posts: 3,131
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Darkhome]
#22072607 - 08/10/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Darkhome said: PE's are hard for a newbie...I would start with whatever cube sounds cool to you...PE takes a little more patience and skill...do a few cakes of say...B+...and some PE too...that way if you loose some you are OK...or better yet start with grain....here is a good link to get your journey underway...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837
I just grew my first batch of PE's and didn't find them really any harder than other cubes. They definitely take longer (2-3 weeks in my experience) to fruit and I used the Muda Bottles method and they loved it. They apparently do better if cased, at least that was my experience. If I was you, I'd do some PE and another strain that's pretty aggressive and fast growing like Texas or South Americans maybe as I've found those two easy, at least for me. Wish someone had shared these threads with me for my first few grows. As close to idiot proof as you can get and you can quickly find a culture/clone that really produces while really reducing contamination problems.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19035268#19035268
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19035262#19035262
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
|
cronicr



Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22072622 - 08/10/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Inocuole said: Cubes and pan cambos or pan cyans are probably good bets but, the yield on the latter two is significantly reduced. Nothing like a full canopy of cubes...
i find it odd that i get about the same amount of "trips" out of them though
--------------------
  It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn I'm tired do me a favor
|
Inocuole
Scalpel of Evil's Bane



Registered: 11/21/11
Posts: 24,863
Loc: ★
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: cronicr]
#22072681 - 08/10/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
That is a cool thing. Still, the prolific nature of cubes just makes them a great starter to learn on.
|
Love_spirit
Circle Of Power


Registered: 07/18/15
Posts: 1,208
Last seen: 7 months, 27 days
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Acid Freak]
#22072749 - 08/10/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
No need to complicate, plain old cubes will give you more intensity then you could ever need.
|
Dr.Satan
Mad Professor



Registered: 06/26/15
Posts: 2,182
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Love_spirit]
#22072782 - 08/10/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Love_spirit said:
No need to complicate, plain old cubes will give you more intensity then you could ever need.
Not to mention they are just dying to grow. You really don't even have to do much to make them grow like bosses.
--------------------

|
bluegill
intergalactic toejam



Registered: 11/05/13
Posts: 489
Last seen: 2 years, 11 months
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22073360 - 08/10/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
If you don't wanna grow cubes try growing sclerotia with mexicana. I think you do them invitro so it would be good for a stealth grow.
Potency with cubes should not be an issue; just eat them fresh.
-------------------- "Psychedelics are like carnival tickets, you buy the ticket and take the ride, then you get off and go home. What your talking about is physical death. That's when you're pulled into the carnival against your will and your stuck there for eternity."
|
wildernessjunkie
Reshitivest


Registered: 06/13/10
Posts: 8,118
Loc: HTTP 404 Not Found
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: bluegill]
#22073453 - 08/10/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Why is every new kid that comes around completely obsessed with potency.
Cubensis are not hard to grow. Further, if you are growing your own, the amount of effort to dose 3g instead of 6g is damn near non existant. And the difference in that doseage is significant and potentially unpleasant.
The persuit of potency eventually leads to an unexpected and probably bad trip. Psilocybin is already some potent life altering shit. Be careful in what you wish for...
Edit: I wasnt trying to be a dick there. Read it as someone trying to teach a little somethin somethin. To answer the question: Sclerotia are less potent than cubes. Wood lovers don't cultivate well indoors. Youre looking for Panaeolus.
Edited by wildernessjunkie (08/10/15 08:09 PM)
|
Pastywhyte
Say hello to my little friend



Registered: 09/15/12
Posts: 37,810
Loc: Canada
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#22073481 - 08/10/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Agreed. I have had people regret eating 2 grams of potent cubes.
|
cronicr



Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22073482 - 08/10/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
i've had pasty regret me eating 3 grams of cubes
--------------------
  It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn I'm tired do me a favor
|
Inocuole
Scalpel of Evil's Bane



Registered: 11/21/11
Posts: 24,863
Loc: ★
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22073497 - 08/10/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Pastywhyte said: Agreed. I have had people regret eating 2 grams of potent cubes.

People always want to think you're full of shit when you warn them..
|
Pastywhyte
Say hello to my little friend



Registered: 09/15/12
Posts: 37,810
Loc: Canada
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: cronicr]
#22073512 - 08/10/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
cronicr said: i've had pasty regret me eating 3 grams of cubes

That was hilarious
|
Pastywhyte
Say hello to my little friend



Registered: 09/15/12
Posts: 37,810
Loc: Canada
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22073525 - 08/10/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Inocuole said:
Quote:
Pastywhyte said: Agreed. I have had people regret eating 2 grams of potent cubes.

People always want to think you're full of shit when you warn them..
There is a big difference between some carefully cultured and well cared for cubes and some ms stuff that was air dryed on a window screen and slammed in a bag not even fully dry.
|
wildernessjunkie
Reshitivest


Registered: 06/13/10
Posts: 8,118
Loc: HTTP 404 Not Found
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22073537 - 08/10/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Recently had a buddy get surprised in a dose. He ALWAYS takes 2 grams if shrooms. I warned him about Pan Cyans...but he took the 2g he always takes when he got home.
His wife said he got lost in the pasture and kept asking, "But why is this all being revealed to ME?".
|
Inocuole
Scalpel of Evil's Bane



Registered: 11/21/11
Posts: 24,863
Loc: ★
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22073541 - 08/10/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Yeah I'm always like "You miiight wanna lock your doors." and I get looked at funny.
|
wildernessjunkie
Reshitivest


Registered: 06/13/10
Posts: 8,118
Loc: HTTP 404 Not Found
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22073555 - 08/10/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
*Thread Derailed*
Probably my fault.
Sorry.
|
Inocuole
Scalpel of Evil's Bane



Registered: 11/21/11
Posts: 24,863
Loc: ★
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#22073575 - 08/10/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
If he's a new grower he probably still gets giggly and excited when people talk about making their friends pee on themselves and whatnot.
|
cronicr



Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
|
Re: Looking for an alternative to Cubensis for indoor cultivation? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#22073608 - 08/10/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
wildernessjunkie said: *Thread Derailed*
Probably my fault.
Sorry.
he has his answers i'm not worried about it
--------------------
  It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn I'm tired do me a favor
|
|