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Mr.GuessWork
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Re: Is anyone actually planning on not voting for Bernie? [Re: Love_spirit]
#22071884 - 08/10/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aw fuck, Trump's going to win. I can see it now. Sprinkles was right about the world.
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pirate-blues


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Re: Is anyone actually planning on not voting for Bernie? [Re: Le_Canard]
#22071895 - 08/10/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like him and I'm voting for him, but I'm a little concerned with how he'll deal with a congress that has been quite hostile to Obama(who is not nearly as left-leaning a bernie, who is a socialist). I mean..can you imagine how they'll respond to a socialist in the white house? With as many roadblocks as they can think of, and once again, we'll go through a lot of gridlock and potential government shutdowns.
I think that Hillary - who also is about as far left a Obama(so, really not very left at all compared to what's considered as such in much of Europe), but I have more confidence in her navigating through a congress of defiant asshats than I do bernie, given her power and her experience being a high-powered politician in D.C. itself.
But Bernie has a terrific record that shouts integrity, doesn't dodge questions, and his votes are nearly an exact match to everything he publicly believes in, I think if he ran independent he would have no chance of getting the ticket, literally none, that's the way the system's been designed. But I think he has integrity and can make some real change(though we've gotten caught up in the 'Change' part of things in the pretty recent past). Also he has been talking with Elizabeth Warren about potentially becoming his running rate, and I'm a big fan of her's too. Even as an advisor, she knows her shit about consumer protection and finance.
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Re: Is anyone actually planning on not voting for Bernie? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#22071906 - 08/10/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: I plan on not voting at all I think it's all a sham ever since the bush/gore "recount" and the fact that popular vote means jack shit compared to electoral votes.
Reminds me of this. Once you've seen how things operate it's really hard to believe. And no, I won't be voting for Bernie.
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Re: Is anyone actually planning on not voting for Bernie? [Re: Astral Pain]
#22071924 - 08/10/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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A large part of controlling the masses is manipulation. We have to try, at least, or then we'll most certainly never change anything. Not voting is apart of this process of manipulation. The most reliable voters are senior citizens, the vote rate for 18-34ish is abysmally low, and that's a shame.
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Re: Is anyone actually planning on not voting for Bernie? [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#22071955 - 08/10/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like many of the things that Bernie says, but he needs to get a backbone to deal with assholes, this was just pathetic and it demonstrates he lacks clarity. A Sander's rally this weekend turns into a shit-fest.
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Re: Is anyone actually planning on not voting for Bernie? [Re: Astral Pain]
#22071960 - 08/10/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Question for those who said they arnt going to vote.
Wouldn't you agree that the current system of control we find ourselves stuck in thrives off of small sample rates and low voter turn out; If that weren't the case we would have switched to popular vote years ago.
So by refusing to vote you are just purpetuating the problem. If you want a say in the nations future you better damn well step up and say it or else some one will speak for you. And some old ass Regan-Youth kook who doesn't believe in race mixing or woman's rights will most likly be that someone that ended up speaking for you.
IDGAF if you vote for Trump, just vote.
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Re: Is anyone actually planning on not voting for Bernie? [Re: pirate-blues]
#22071967 - 08/10/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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can someone bring up what bernie wants to do? all i know is that he wants to make 4 year collages free to the public. which is something we should be doing and following suit from the EU considering investment in the mind is something that truly benefits us as a nation.
my ideals stand with the Libertarian party, so bernie is going to have to sell me well enough that i wont be voting for Gary Johnson.
i think a lot here on the site are possibly more in line with these ideals as well since a large part of what we are about centers around personal liberties.
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1.0 Personal Liberty
Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. Our support of an individual's right to make choices in life does not mean that we necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices. No individual, group, or government may initiate force against any other individual, group, or government.
1.1 Self-Ownership
Individuals own their bodies and have rights over them that other individuals, groups, and governments may not violate. Individuals have the freedom and responsibility to decide what they knowingly and voluntarily consume, and what risks they accept to their own health, finances, safety, or life.
1.2 Expression and Communication
We support full freedom of expression and oppose government censorship, regulation or control of communications media and technology. We favor the freedom to engage in or abstain from any religious activities that do not violate the rights of others. We oppose government actions which either aid or attack any religion.
1.3 Privacy
Libertarians advocate individual privacy and government transparency. We are committed to ending government’s practice of spying on everyone. We support the rights recognized by the Fourth Amendment to be secure in our persons, homes, property, and communications. Protection from unreasonable search and seizure should include records held by third parties, such as email, medical, and library records.
1.4 Personal Relationships
Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.
and that's really just the start of that... there's a lot more that i think people would agree with.
inb4 "but voting libertarian is a wasted vote!!"
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Re: Is anyone actually planning on not voting for Bernie? [Re: qman]
#22071971 - 08/10/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Normally I'm against hitting women, but there should've been an exception in this case, Bernie should've busted out his uppercut
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Re: Is anyone actually planning on not voting for Bernie? [Re: SARAtonin] 2
#22071972 - 08/10/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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SARAtonin said: Question for those who said they arnt going to vote.
Wouldn't you agree that the current system of control we find ourselves stuck in thrives off of small sample rates and low voter turn out; If that weren't the case we would have switched to popular vote years ago.
So by refusing to vote you are just purpetuating the problem. If you want a say in the nations future you better damn well step up and say it or else some one will speak for you. And some old ass Regan-Youth kook who doesn't believe in race mixing or woman's rights will most likly be that someone that ended up speaking for you.
IDGAF if you vote for Trump, just vote.
What is it like being a liar on the internet?
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Re: Is anyone actually planning on not voting for Bernie? [Re: SARAtonin] 1
#22071986 - 08/10/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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SARAtonin said: Question for those who said they arnt going to vote.
Wouldn't you agree that the current system of control we find ourselves stuck in thrives off of small sample rates and low voter turn out; If that weren't the case we would have switched to popular vote years ago.
So by refusing to vote you are just purpetuating the problem. If you want a say in the nations future you better damn well step up and say it or else some one will speak for you. And some old ass Regan-Youth kook who doesn't believe in race mixing or woman's rights will most likly be that someone that ended up speaking for you.
IDGAF if you vote for Trump, just vote.
What if someone finds all of the candidates who have a legitimately viable chance at winning -- to be all trash? Do you subscribe to the theory of voting for the least worst candidate? The lesser of two evils? Sometimes people refrain from voting because they simply believe that all of the powerhouse candidates are worthless and don't deserve that person's vote.
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Re: Is anyone actually planning on not voting for Bernie? [Re: pirate-blues]
#22071987 - 08/10/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: A large part of controlling the masses is manipulation. We have to try, at least, or then we'll most certainly never change anything. Not voting is apart of this process of manipulation. The most reliable voters are senior citizens, the vote rate for 18-34ish is abysmally low, and that's a shame.
The manipulation is unavoidable, and those who don't inform themselves are easy targets. Google has the big guns to do some major manipulation, and they know it.
http://www.wired.com/2015/08/googles-search-algorithm-steal-presidency/
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Re: Is anyone actually planning on not voting for Bernie? [Re: Astral Pain]
#22072087 - 08/10/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Niffla said:
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Normally I'm against hitting women, but there should've been an exception in this case, Bernie should've busted out his uppercut

Yeah, that's totally a great idea for anyone trying to win over the public.  What he did was wise, he let them speak, and left them to their own devices to make fools out of themselves, and it worked, people are mostly sympathetic towards him and angry at the people who interrupted. Also he was was majorly into the civil rights and anti-segregation protest, there's pictures of him to prove it.
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pirate-blues said: A large part of controlling the masses is manipulation. We have to try, at least, or then we'll most certainly never change anything. Not voting is apart of this process of manipulation. The most reliable voters are senior citizens, the vote rate for 18-34ish is abysmally low, and that's a shame.
The manipulation is unavoidable, and those who don't inform themselves are easy targets. Google has the big guns to do some major manipulation, and they know it.
http://www.wired.com/2015/08/googles-search-algorithm-steal-presidency/
Well I mean, with that attitude it is.
I don't disagree with your sig, by any means, I forget the movie where one of the actors said something like 'A person is smart, people are dumb unpredictable and stupid' (something along those lines). But people are still groups of individuals, now more than ever, the populace is becoming educated, information about anything at all is at the tips of our fingers, people are slowly becoming more educated - fuck, look how we've changed our attitudes from the '60's and 70's, even the '80's. Sure there are some voter demographics that are die-hards and will never change their attitude, but those tend to be again, the older population.
I think there is promise and big changes to be made when the millennials mature and start to be the ones who run things, but we've still got to push for change now even if it's unsuccessful right now, it's important to try to start getting the gears in motion.
You're pessimistic, I can see why, but the people who don't even try are doing nothing to help, and the system feeds off of ignorance and lack of action - so it's actually incredibly counter productive and short-sighted in the long run. Just because there won't be any sort of 'revolution' or massive cultural shift right now, doesn't mean it won't happen with enough time and effort.
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