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Re: Meditation better than Psychedelics?! - spirituality [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#22215824 - 09/10/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheGreenArrow said: I already do that. It does get into that "psychedelic" state even while I'm at work. I usually do some form of Crowlean/Sufi meditation about "why I'm doing that exersice and just work further and further back untill I'm out in the cosmos...
It's a neat exercise actually.

Good for clarifying. A lot of people have the perception that you have to give up a lot to be interested in spirituality
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Re: Meditation better than Psychedelics?! - spirituality [Re: topdog82]
#22215940 - 09/10/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its seems to me you just have to be pragmatic about the whole situation.
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Re: Meditation better than Psychedelics?! - spirituality [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#22215945 - 09/10/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheGreenArrow said: Its seems to me you just have to be pragmatic about the whole situation.
exactly. You dont want to go to the other end of the spectrum believing that eating a diet of raw fruits will lead to enlightenment or something. I have heard things of this nature in the spiritual community
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Re: Meditation better than Psychedelics?! - spirituality [Re: topdog82]
#22215979 - 09/10/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You have to tempre your spirituality with whatever cards you're dealt. Lets face it! It's a tragedy that more people don't actually take a look at what Leary's research was about. I sincerely believe it could further the psycho-analytical field 10-fold if people would just pull their head out of their ass.
You ever heard of the recivity rates on the Prisoners he'd treated with Meditation, LSD, and the "Tibetan Book of the Law"? It was some thing like 90% of the Prisoners just flat DIDNT go back to prison. Makes you wonder if We've thrown the baby out with the bath water...
-------------------- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs
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Re: Meditation better than Psychedelics?! - spirituality [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#22216003 - 09/10/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheGreenArrow said: You have to tempre your spirituality with whatever cards you're dealt. Lets face it! It's a tragedy that more people don't actually take a look at what Leary's research was about. I sincerely believe it could further the psycho-analytical field 10-fold if people would just pull their head out of their ass.
You ever heard of the recivity rates on the Prisoners he'd treated with Meditation, LSD, and the "Tibetan Book of the Law"? It was some thing like 90% of the Prisoners just flat DIDNT go back to prison. Makes you wonder if We've thrown the baby out with the bath water...
haha i have heard of that exact statistic. Its truly sad. But thats the world we live in
I also think that the US is a christian nation founded upon christian principles. It makes it fairly complex to import eastern faiths/ideas easily. Anything that seems a little "out there" or is influenced by faiths of the east is seen as basically satanic. So ya
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Re: Meditation better than Psychedelics?! - spirituality [Re: topdog82]
#22216057 - 09/10/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not exacty pagan practices though. Straussman released a very interesting book recently about the subject. I've gotta head to work though.
-------------------- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs
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