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OfflineEggtimer
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How's my interpretation
    #22070833 - 08/10/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

tldr: Consciousness is geometric like many "natural" things in the universe. It repeats it's self over and over to know that it is there.


Consciousness just like everything else in the universe is a self repeating pattern. It gets really complex with human beings but could be even more complex in larger structures of the universe.
Basically people who are blind to the essence of nature will never see it's beauty. Things repeat to know they exist. This is why a pulsing buzz is more noticeable than a single bump. 

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The most important philosophical contributions of the Huayan school were in the area of its metaphysics. It taught the doctrine of the mutual containment and interpenetration of all phenomena, as expressed in Indra's net. One thing contains all other existing things, and all existing things contain that one thing.

Distinctive features of this approach to Buddhist philosophy include:

    Truth (or reality) is understood as encompassing and interpenetrating falsehood (or illusion), and vice versa
    Good is understood as encompassing and interpenetrating evil
    Similarly, all mind-made distinctions are understood as "collapsing" in the enlightened understanding of emptiness (a tradition traced back to the Buddhist philosopher Nagarjuna)




It front of you the whole time but you could not and still cannot see.

Reality is psychedelic in nature and vice versa.













"God" is the all seeing eye, it's Omnipresent Perception but it's also the sense of self(Consciousness) for everything.
It's the I behind the I.
It's what we're all trying so hard to protect from "death"(the ego dies but self lives on) but it does not die at all it lives on in the rest of everything literary.
"The wisdom of space"


The strange thing is I found this out on my own then discovered these are ancient ideas and the real meaning has been lost to people of this age.


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22070845 - 08/10/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:cheers:


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22070955 - 08/10/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Here's some more fuel.

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If Hume is right, then the concept of an object includes the concept of existence, and the concept of a nonexistent object would be as self-contradictory as the concept of a round square. If existence is not a predicate of individuals, then one might suppose that neither is nonexistence. Therefore, if Frege is right, to say of an object that it is nonexistent is a kind of nonsense that arises from a violation of logical grammar. (For Frege and those who follow him, a claim like “God exists/does not exist” is to be understood as a claim about the concept God, or about the property of being God. On this view, the logical form of “God exists” is not Exists (God)—where Exists is a predicate of individuals, but rather: The concept God applies to something, or Something possesses the property of being God.)





http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nonexistent-objects/
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One of the reasons why there are doubts about the concept of a nonexistent object is this: to be able to say truly of an object that it doesn't exist, it seems that one has to presuppose that it exists, for doesn't a thing have to exist if we are to make a true claim about it? In the face of this puzzling situation, one has to be very careful when accepting or formulating the idea that there are nonexistent objects. It turns out that Kant's view that “exists” is not a “real” predicate and Frege's view, that “exists” is not a predicate of individuals (i.e., a predicate that yields a well-formed sentence if one puts a singular term in front of it), has to be abandoned if one is to accept the claim that there are nonexistent objects.

This entry is an examination of the many questions which arise in connection with the view that there are nonexistent objects. The following are particularly salient: What reasons are there (if any) for thinking that there are nonexistent objects? If there are nonexistent objects, then what kind of objects are they? How can they be characterized? Is it possible to provide a consistent theory of nonexistent objects? What is the explanatory force of a consistent theory of nonexistent objects (if such a thing is possible)?




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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Eggtimer] * 1
    #22071084 - 08/10/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Life is a natural order of chaos.  Things are likely to repeat and not repeat.  You are a slightly advanced species of monkey on a rock circling a ball of gas, wait till you are on the other side to drive yourself crazy about these thoughts.


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #22071145 - 08/10/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The Doobie Dude said:
Life is a natural order of chaos.  Things are likely to repeat and not repeat.  You are a slightly advanced species of monkey on a rock circling a ball of gas, wait till you are on the other side to drive yourself crazy about these thoughts.




I've been tripping on L since 1 am :zoom: been up well over 24 hours smoked DMT while peaking on L. I don't know how I could get any closer to the other side. Also you assume what is on the "otherside" is different from this side. I say they are the same thing.
I guess I'm down now but I've smoked a shit ton of weed too so pretty high still.

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So let's say the tree which grows apples is a tree which apples, using 'apple' as a verb. And a world in which human beings arrive is a world that peoples. And so the existence of people is symptomatic of the kind of universe we live in. Just as spots on somebody's skin is symptomatic of chicken pox. Just as hair on a head is symptomatic of what's going on in the organism. But we have been brought up by reason of our two great myths--the ceramic and the automatic--not to feel that we belong in the world. So our popular speech reflects it. You say 'I came into this world.' You didn't. You came out of it. You say 'Face facts.' We talk about 'encounters' with reality, as if it was a head-on meeting of completely alien agencies. And the average person has the sensation that he is a someone that exists inside a bag of skin. The center of consciousness that looks out at this thing, and what the hell's it going to do to me? You see? 'I recognize you, you kind of look like me, and I've seen myself in a mirror, and you look like you might be people.' So maybe you're intelligent and maybe you can love, too. Perhaps you're all right, some of you are, anyway. You've got the right color of skin, or you have the right religion, or whatever it is, you're OK. But there are all those people over in Asia, and Africa, and they may not really be people. When you want to destroy someone, you always define them as 'unpeople.' Not really human. Monkeys, maybe. Idiots, maybe. Machines, maybe, but not people.

So we have this hostility to the external world because of the superstition, the myth, the absolutely unfounded theory that you, yourself, exist only inside your skin. Now I want to propose another idea altogether. There are two great theories in astronomy going on right now about the origination of the universe. One is called the explosion theory, and the other is called the steady state theory. The steady state people say there never was a time when the world began, it's always expanding, yes, but as a result of free hydrogen in space, the free hydrogen coagulates and makes new galaxies. But the other people say there was a primoridial explosion, an enormous bang billions of years ago which flung all the galazies into space. Well let's take that just for the sake of argument and say that was the way it happened.

(isn't this what "visuals" are? and how reality normally "behaves")
It's like you took a bottle of ink and you threw it at a wall. Smash! And all that ink spread. And in the middle, it's dense, isn't it? And as it gets out on the edge, the little droplets get finer and finer and make more complicated patterns, see? So in the same way, there was a big bang at the beginning of things and it spread. And you and I, sitting here in this room, as complicated human beings, are way, way out on the fringe of that bang. We are the complicated little patterns on the end of it. Very interesting. But so we define ourselves as being only that. If you think that you are only inside your skin, you define yourself as one very complicated little curlique, way out on the edge of that explosion. Way out in space, and way out in time. Billions of years ago, you were a big bang, but now you're a complicated human being. And then we cut ourselves off, and don't feel that we're still the big bang. But you are. Depends how you define yourself. You are actually--if this is the way things started, if there was a big bang in the beginning-- you're not something that's a result of the big bang. You're not something that is a sort of puppet on the end of the process. You are still the process. You are the big bang, the original force of the universe, coming on as whoever you are. When I meet you, I see not just what you define yourself as--Mr so-and- so, Ms so-and-so, Mrs so-and-so--I see every one of you as the primordial energy of the universe coming on at me in this particular way. I know I'm that, too. But we've learned to define ourselves as separate from it.




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The standard-brand religions, whether Jewish, Christian, Mohammedan, Hindu, or Buddhist, are — as now practiced — like exhausted mines: very hard to dig. With some exceptions not too easily found, their ideas about man and the world, their imagery, their rites, and their notions of the good life don’t seem to fit in with the universe as we now know it, or with a human world that is changing so rapidly that much of what one learns in school is already obsolete on graduation day.




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    We suffer from a hallucination, from a false and distorted sensation of our own existence as living organisms. Most of us have the sensation that “I myself” is a separate center of feeling and action, living inside and bounded by the physical body — a center which “confronts” an “external” world of people and things, making contact through the senses with a universe both alien and strange. Everyday figures of speech reflect this illusion. “I came into this world.” “You must face reality.” “The conquest of nature.”

    This feeling of being lonely and very temporary visitors in the universe is in flat contradiction to everything known about man (and all other living organisms) in the sciences. We do not “come into” this world; we come out of it, as leaves from a tree. As the ocean “waves,” the universe “peoples.” Every individual is an expression of the whole realm of nature, a unique action of the total universe. This fact is rarely, if ever, experienced by most individuals. Even those who know it to be true in theory do not sense or feel it, but continue to be aware of themselves as isolated “egos” inside bags of skin.







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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Eggtimer] * 3
    #22071165 - 08/10/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Drugs do not show you the truth.  You are delusional.


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #22071277 - 08/10/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It seems to me that they are saying that reality is elucidated by contrast within concepts - there is no objective reality and we are only aware something's existence because it is contrasted by the lack of existence elsewhere.


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #22071293 - 08/10/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The Doobie Dude said:
Drugs do not show you the truth.  You are delusional.




You must get over yourself to become yourself.
I see people abusing each other on a daily basis because very few people consider others to be anything like themselves.
"I'm the complex star in life where others are just the extras in my orbit"
Meaning most people are bound to take things the wrong way and think you're acting aggressively toward them just because they are them but actually you're a complex being too and you have reason for acting the way you did other than that person is who they are.


Basically if humans didn't doubt/guilt/shame themselves so much they would be happier and understand themselves and others better.
You should not be at war with yourself(your nature) when you are this causes constant anxiety and depression. It's only when validating your nature as something to be embraced rather than shunned as dirty or unpure or evil so on and so on.... Do you see what it's about
No this isn't justification to do anything you want either.


("And they take the word of God as an easy auto response to the questions and designs of the natural order. At which point the man lost his connection with natural... At which point he rises as a cruel assassin against the Earth... Humanity is in a new age, the age of fight between mother and son.")
It's saying there is no need to be at war with nature because you are nature!


Edited by Eggtimer (08/10/15 11:14 AM)


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22071297 - 08/10/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Come back down to Earth space cadet, I realize the illusion is strong.  Sobriety might help you think this one through coherently.


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #22071319 - 08/10/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The Doobie Dude said:
Come back down to Earth space cadet, I realize the illusion is strong.  Sobriety might help you think this one through coherently.




I don't know if you're trolling or not but thanks either way. You've made me smile. :lol: These ideas are ancient. That certainly doesn't mean they're "true" but come on at least acknowledge that.
This is what a lot of religions are "actually" about.

Although I don't agree entirety with this song it demonstrates some of the ideas of ancient times. You surrender your ego self to embrace your true self the only self that was possible and you didn't even know it was yourself!
This is why you can still find beauty in something that has become a rotten reflection of it's self.

I fully agree the idea of a personal wish granting god is silly as fuck but at the same time the idea exists so instead of just calling people who have this idea delusional idiots I would try to understand them. Fuck did I get more than I expected.
Think of gods as being metaphors for our human emotions 
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Sons of Sumer open your eyes
Awake, discover maze of the sublime
Born within the cradle
Voices of the essence
Curious Enlil's legions forever watchful
As we transcend plural psyche banishing
The essence speaks to us
In every cell in every stone and space

Meen fee hali ou bali
Meen bis'aal il wali il fee
Blessed be the cosmic dust
We are all of Enlil's plan

Meen fee hali ou bali
Meen bis'aal il wali il fee
Blessed be the cosmic dust
We are all of Enlil's plan

Submit to the grace of chaotic order

With his hands, he molded us
Find the hidden meanings
Facets inseparable from his plan
Frequencies, pulsation, voices of the world

Magickal stains vaporize from
(The) proverbial, cosmic energy spheres
Doorway to the other will unlock
Neo-spiritualism
Arcane arts' interpretations
Sons of Sumer open your eyes

Intrinsic unity of creation




Can you feel that stench?
Is the human life, their bodies rot slow in time

Deification of mediocrity, exaltation of the rotting flesh
Glorification of pettiness, idealization of feelings

Oh! Shamash lord show me the path
The real sense of the human's life
Slaves of hope, blinded and weak
Embraced the torment and agony

Proud and frail, insolent men's race, owners of all things

As disease infecting a body, like a parasite feeds it's host
Arrogant and feeble, pathetic error of the gods
Ungrateful universal disgrace, unworthy animal
Your eyes reveal your misery you are the stigma of the earth



The empires fall down, transformed in useless ruins

Nobility of thought? In a material world inspired by desires
The dead hands of religion sterilize the wisdom

Mass of confused beings vanish in an atrocious fanaticism
Avid for love, needy of forgiveness mired in ignorance
Abstainers of the eternal pleasures, victims of massive fraud
Blinded by the faith for a puny god

Glorious ability to enslave a depraved animal
Through immaculate awareness

Redemptor of puritans, proclaimers of self-deceit
Orators of fraud with hypocritical complacency

Under the yoke of a fruitless falsehood
Commanded by the enthroned liar
Embraced by his eunuch host
The ice age of religious thought comes to an end

Sing praises to the wasteland
behold a forsaken and inglorious earth

("Faith means not wanting to know what is true."
—Friedrich Nietzsche)






Edited by Eggtimer (08/10/15 11:49 AM)


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #22071324 - 08/10/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome, 5 star post, but even more awesome band...Beyond Creation!! definitely my favorite band..


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22071327 - 08/10/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've been paying with these ideas on and off for some time now.
I'm still not any closer to cracking it :lol:

But there is a certain beauty about it, you know?


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22071385 - 08/10/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Turtletotem said:
I've been paying with these ideas on and off for some time now.
I'm still not any closer to cracking it :lol:

But there is a certain beauty about it, you know?




yes, a feeling of universal beauty.. it appears these concepts are what more or less all the 'masters' come to understand. just impossible to convey through words, only experience.


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Akeldama]
    #22071421 - 08/10/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Akeldama said:
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Turtletotem said:
I've been paying with these ideas on and off for some time now.
I'm still not any closer to cracking it :lol:

But there is a certain beauty about it, you know?




yes, a feeling of universal beauty.. it appears these concepts are what more or less all the 'masters' come to understand. just impossible to convey through words, only experience.




Funny enough I believe this comes out of the Islamic world which is one of the worst offenders of religion.
It can't be put into words but it can be seen if you watch your mind or just the natural world in general. Really listen to your thoughts and try to figure out where they're coming from.


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22071452 - 08/10/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Man, it's hard to beat the spellbinding beauty of mosques... check this link out

http://timewheel.net/Image-15-Mesmerizing-Mosque-Ceilings-That-Appear-To-Be-Influenced-By


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #22071457 - 08/10/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The Doobie Dude said:
Drugs do not show you the truth.  You are delusional.




Doobie dude gets upset if someone thinks they had a meaninful experience. Why is that? And were only slightly advanced monkeys? You're a clown.


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Akeldama]
    #22071477 - 08/10/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Akeldama said:
Man, it's hard to beat the spellbinding beauty of mosques... check this link out

http://timewheel.net/Image-15-Mesmerizing-Mosque-Ceilings-That-Appear-To-Be-Influenced-By




Before Genghis Khan the Islamic world was one of the most advanced. Much knowledge was lost after this.
http://lostislamichistory.com/mongols/
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Despite ultimately being unsuccessful in their attempt to destroy Islam, the Mongols left a deep political, economic, and military scar in the heart of the Muslim world. Entire regions were depopulated. Irrigation canals, fields of crops, and economic infrastructure were destroyed beyond repair. The political institutions, such as the caliphate, that held the Muslim world together for centuries were simply abolished.

The empire established by Hulagu stretched over most of Muslim Southwest Asia

The Mongol Il-Khanate established by Hulagu’s descendants would rule over Persia, Iraq, and Anatolia for over 100 years. Over decades and centuries, the Mongols in Southwest Asia slowly converted to Islam and became absorbed in a Persian/Turkish culture. But there is no denying the immense negative effect the Mongols had on the Muslim world in the 1200s.

The Mongol invasion is one of the most demoralizing times of Islamic history. The death and destruction of the 1200s has not yet been seen again in the Muslim world. While most articles on this website illustrate the great achievements of Islamic history, it is similarly important to be aware of the negatives, particularly what causes them to occur. The Muslim world was largely unable to repel the Mongol invasion due to disunity and weak political and military institutions. Throughout Islamic history, disunity has always led to invasion and defeat, while unity has led to great Islamic empires that benefited the entire world.




I don't think any of it was "made" but it just happened all at once. The maker was made by the people which were made by the maker so on and so on. It's a vibration, an oscillation.
Sacred mirrors reflecting theirselves self endlessly. 


Like I said I don't believe it to be this way but it's an interesting idea and kind of relates to the whole issue. I don't believe things were "shaped" by anything other than themselves.


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Eggtimer] * 1
    #22071522 - 08/10/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I love how the crusty glass stem is thrown in there :lolsy: classic


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22071531 - 08/10/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you are on a drug, which temporarily alters your neurobiology. You seem to be pretty out there indeed (hard for me to keep up. Your thoughts flit by like popcorn), so I imagine you're going to have an interesting next couple of days integrating your experiences with reality.

There are, obviously, allegories and information that can be drawn: your perception of being is expanding to everyone/everything in the universe (drug). Obviously that's not 100% reality, but there's something there, right? Causality does unite us in a lot of strange ways...

Make use of all the strange neural pathways you just laid with practical meta-cognitive ideas, not hallucinogenic delusions. Next time, take psychs with something somewhat grounded in mind that you'd like to meditate on. Or be cool that this is recreational and not doing too much for you (or us) :shrug: my opinion/sphincter


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22071566 - 08/10/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Giftofdeprivation said:
you are on a drug, which temporarily alters your neurobiology. You seem to be pretty out there indeed (hard for me to keep up. Your thoughts flit by like popcorn), so I imagine you're going to have an interesting next couple of days integrating your experiences with reality.

There are, obviously, allegories and information that can be drawn: your perception of being is expanding to everyone/everything in the universe (drug). Obviously that's not 100% reality, but there's something there, right? Causality does unite us in a lot of strange ways...

Make use of all the strange neural pathways you just laid with practical meta-cognitive ideas, not hallucinogenic delusions. Next time, take psychs with something somewhat grounded in mind that you'd like to meditate on. Or be cool that this is recreational and not doing too much for you (or us) :shrug: my opinion/sphincter




Reality is magic dammit. You are Alice in wonderland but you were born there so it feels normal and mundane but it is endless beauty. You will never see because you enjoy your suffering.
These aren't my ideas I swear. I think like this normally not just on drugs.
This 4 min video explains it well.

You're right who ever said that looks like a crusty piece so here's a better one :awesomenod:



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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22071819 - 08/10/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The Doobie Dude said:
Drugs do not show you the truth.  You are delusional.




Doobie dude gets upset if someone thinks they had a meaninful experience. Why is that? And were only slightly advanced monkeys? You're a clown.



I have had plenty of menigful experiences and I do not intend to dimisnish the impact but passing off drug experiences as fact with NO scientific evidence supporting you is lunacy at its finest.  As for slightly advanced monkeys yes we share a similar common ancestor.  I can tell intelligence is not your strongest suit.


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: HalluciNate]
    #22071928 - 08/10/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

who am I to dare say anything about reality:lol: Well I'm a part of it so I'm gonna have my say

Even ugliness is beauty because without one you would not know the other. This is the duality of everything. up down/ right left/ male female/ song dace/ art reality/ "right wrong"/electron proton/god man These seemingly different things complete each other and thus exist. Without one the others would cease to be "speaking about the sets as dualities".
You ever meet someone you think is physically attractive only to find someone who is much more "physically attractive" but also into you shortly after? I don't like to objectify people like that but it kinda gets the idea across.
I've goon quite in depth on the subject on this thread with "proofs"
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22001844#22001844
You're basically denying that any thing like these views could ever be valid because you think I have no right to talk about these things because I'm just a "stupid human."
What you miss is that all that is humans is nature including the the desire to see a bigger picture.



The emerging mainstream view is reality is a big accident humans being the biggest of them all.   
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Beck suggested that depressed people draw illogical conclusions about situations, and these lead to a distortion of reality, which manifest in the magnification of negative experiences and the trivialization of neutral or positive ones.

The cognitive triad is the source of the extremely low self-esteem of depressed subjects. Indeed it can lead to micromanic(the opposite of grandiose) delusions, manifesting in the extreme form as psychosis.

Science is not illogical, but may suffer from overexclusiveness. It must be biased in that direction in order to build a consistent knowledge system by keep "soft" poorly validated concepts outside of its domain. Nevertheless, what lies outside of the semantic universe of "official science" today may be part of it tomorrow.




You are just as much a part of nature as a blade of grass or dog. Every part of you is from nature including emotions.



Thought it was a piece of pollen but turned out to be life oops


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    #22072552 - 08/10/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok I bring more shit to the table.

Call it a mystical experience or an awakening to Ecological Awareness

This book brings up some interesting ideas not necessarily what I'm talking about though.
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After forty years, Otto's analyses have not lost their value; readers of this book will profit by reading and reflecting on them. But in the following pages we adopt a different perspective. We propose to present the phe- nomenon of the sacred in all its complexity, and not only in so far as it is irrational. What will concern us is not the relation between the rational and nonrational ele- ments of religion but the sacred in its entirety. The first possible definition of the sacred is that it is the opposite of the profane. The aim of the following pages is to illus- trate and define this opposition between sacred and profane.
Introduction

Man becomes aware of the sacred because it itself, shows itself, as something wholly differ- ent from the profane. To designate the act of manifes- &on of the sacred, we have proposed the term hiero- phony. It is a fitting term, because it does not imply further; it expresses no more than is implicit in its etymological content, i.e., that something sacred shows itself to us.' It could be said that the history of religions-from the most primitive to the most highly developed-is constituted by a great number of hiero- phanies, by manifestations of sacred realities.

From the most elementary hierophany-e.g., manifestation of the sacred in some ordinary object, a stone or a tree-to the supreme hierophany (which, for a Christian, is the incarnation of God in Jesus Christ) there is no solution of continuity. In each case we are confronted by the same mysterious act-the manifestation of something of a wholly different order, a reality that does not belong to our world, in objects that are an integral part of our natural "profane" world.

The modem Occidental experiences a certain uneasiness before many manifestations of the sacred. He finds it difficultt o accept the fact that, for many human beings, the sacred can be manifested in stones or trees, for example. But as we shall soon see, what is involved is not a veneration of the stone in itself, a cult of the tree in itself. The sacred tree, the sacred stone are not adored as stone or tree; they are worshipped precisely because they are hierophies, because they show some thing that is no longer stone or tree but the sacred, the ganz andere.


It is impossible to overemphasize the paradox repre- sented by every hierophany, even the most elementary. By manifesting the sacred, any object becomes something else, yet it continues to remain itself, for it continues to participate in its surrounding cosmic milieu. A sacred stone remains a stone; apparently (or, more precisely, from the profane point of view), nothing distinguishes it from all other stones. But for those to whom a stone reveals itself as sacred, its immediate reality is trans- muted into a supernatural reality. In other words, for those who have a religious experience all nature is capable of revealing itself as cosmic sacrality. The, cosmos in its entirety can become a hierophany.





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The man of the archaic societies tends to live as much as possible in the sacred or in close proximity to con- secrated objects. The tendency is perfectly understand- able, because, for primitives as for the man of all pre modem societies, the sacred is equivalent to a power, and, in the last analysis, to reality. The sacred is saturated with being. Sacred power means reality and at the same time enduringness and efficacity. The polarity sacred-profane
is often expressed as an opposition between real and unreal or pseudoreal. (Naturally, we must not expect to find the archaic languages in possession of this philo- sophical terminology, real-unreal, etc.; but we find the thing.) Thus it is easy to understand that religious man deeply desires to be, to participate in reality, to be satu- rated with power.




Aboriginal influenced art can show you both worlds at once without knowing what you're seeing.







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    #22072691 - 08/10/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Next time, take psychs with something somewhat grounded in mind that you'd like to meditate on. Or be cool that this is recreational and not doing too much for you (or us) :shrug: my opinion/sphincter



Or spiral out further into madness. It's your consciousness and I can stop clicking anytime.


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    #22072745 - 08/10/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder if dead people think about life the same way we do death?


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    #22072818 - 08/10/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I wonder if dead people think about life the same way we do death?




If dying is going to sleep and never waking up. Being alive is like waking up having never gone to sleep. Suddenly you find yourself in the middle of this thing called life/universe and everything will appear to be happening directly to you.
There is no difference between self and the external world. They complete each other and could not be without the other.

Do you eat to live or live to eat? How about both?
"Human" experiences/emotions are a part of reality not a indirect function of reality.
Some proof http://www.wired.com/2011/06/honeybee-pessimism/
http://scienceblog.com/78369/rats-will-try-to-save-members-of-their-own-species-from-drowning/#XfU4RL5UsUjK6yk0.97

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While many scientists state something to the effect that “the mind is what the brain does”, I myself, trained as a scientist, as well as a clinician and educator, find this an incomplete stance.  In The Developing Mind (link is external) I make the scientifically presented case that the mind is not simply brain activity.  The mind, beyond subjective experience and beyond conscious and non-conscious information processing, can be seen as a self-organizing, emergent process of a complex system. And that system is both within us and between us and others.   

A complex system is characterized by these three features: It is non-linear (small inputs lead to large and unpredictable results), it is open (influenced by things from outside of “itself”), and it is chaos-capable (meaning it can function in erratic, unpredictable ways at times). Sound familiar in your life? If our own lives meet these three criteria, then we ourselves are complex systems.

Now, the math of complexity theory reveals that all complex systems have emergent properties, processes that arise from the flow of the system’s elements across time. So math—a form of science revealing aspects of reality—suggests that one of those emergent properties is self-organization. This is where a process arises from the elements of the system and then turns back and regulates that from which it arose. That’s called recursvity, how there is a positive feedback loop reinforcing itself over time.




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    #22074849 - 08/11/15 04:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Haha no way, I own that didgeridoo! It's made by Meinl and unlike the other pictures, not a good example of traditional art from Australia, because this particulair instrument gets mass produced in Indonesia and the art seems to be made by someone who tried to copy aboriginal artwork without doing any research on it.

It was my first didge, I still play it sometimes because it plays very easy.


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    #22075972 - 08/11/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Haha no way, I own that didgeridoo! It's made by Meinl and unlike the other pictures, not a good example of traditional art from Australia, because this particulair instrument gets mass produced in Indonesia and the art seems to be made by someone who tried to copy aboriginal artwork without doing any research on it.

It was my first didge, I still play it sometimes because it plays very easy.




I own this one too:rockon:. I figured it was so cheap for a reason. The real wood ones I saw were around 100 and the art was actually burnt into it. I think one was of mushroom art


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    #22080073 - 08/12/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:highfive:

I've got two Australian eucalyptus didges, one was 180 euros and the other 300.
But I have played a didge that went for 1100 euros, that thing was basicly a tree trunk and really, really, really cool!

My 300 didge has a medicine plant painted on it.


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    #22084443 - 08/13/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Most people look at life as a bank to be robbed because they do not see that they are not living a life but they are life.

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SPIRITUAL life is the emancipation of consciousness. Through it we find immediate response of soul everywhere. Before we attain this life, we see men through the medium of self-interest, prejudice or classification, because of the perpetual remoteness around us which we cannot cross over. When the veil is removed, we not only see the fleeting forms of the world, but come close to its eternal being, which is ineffable beauty.

Some seek for the evidence of spiritual truth in the outside world. In this quest one may stumble upon ghosts or some super-sensual phenomenon of nature, but these do not lead us to spiritual truth, as new words in a dictionary do not give us literature.





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EGOISM is the price paid for the fact of existence. So long as I realise this price within me, so long do I steadfastly bear all the pains and penalties of keeping myself in existence. That is why the Buddhists have it, that to destroy egoism is to cut at the root of existence: for, without the pride of self it ceases to be worth while to exist.

However that may be, this price has been furnished from some fund or other,--in other words, it matters somewhere that I should be, and the price paid is the measure of how much it matters. The whole universe--every molecule and atom of it--is assisting this desire that I should be. And it is the glory of this desire which is manifest in my pride of self. By virtue of this glory this infinitesimal "I" is not lower than any other thing in this Universe, in measure or value.




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I HAVE a relationship with the world which is deeply personal. It is not of mere knowledge and use. All our relationships with facts have an infinite medium which is Law, Satyam; all our relationship with truth has an infinite medium which is Reason, gnānam; all our personal relationship has an infinite medium, which is Love, ānandam.

We are not mere facts in this world, like pieces of stones; we are persons. And therefore we cannot be content with drifting along the stream of circumstances. We have a central ideal of love with which to harmonise our existence, we have to manifest a truth in our life, which is the perfect relationship with the Eternal Person.




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WE criticise Nature from outside when we separate it in our mind from human nature, and blame it for being devoid of pity and justice. Let the wick burn with indignation at the want of light in the rest of the candle, but the truth is that the wick represents the whole candle in its illumination. Obstacles are necessary companions to expression, and we know that the positive element in language is not in its obstructiveness. Exclusively viewed from the side of the obstacle, Nature appears as inimical to the idea of morality. But if that were absolutely true, moral life could never come to exist. Life, moral or physical, is not a completed fact, but is a continual process, depending for its movement upon two contrary forces, the force of resistance and that of expression. Dividing these forces into two mutually opposing principles does not help us, for the truth dwells not in the opposition but in its continual reconciliation.




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    #22097170 - 08/16/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

More proof human emotions aren't human.

They mate face to face with suckers embraced and go at it for quite a bit longer than is considered normal for most octopi.




http://news.berkeley.edu/2015/08/12/octopus-shows-unique-hunting-social-and-sexual-behavior/
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Unlike most octopuses, which tackle their prey with all eight arms, a rediscovered tropical octopus subtly taps its prey on the shoulder and startles it into its arms.

“I’ve never seen anything like it,” said marine biologist Roy Caldwell, a University of California, Berkeley, professor of integrative biology. “Octopuses typically pounce on their prey or poke around in holes until they find something. When this octopus sees a shrimp at a distance, it compresses itself and creeps up, extends an arm up and over the shrimp, touches it on the far side and either catches it or scares it into its other arms.”

The creature, known as the larger Pacific striped octopus, also turns out to be among the most gregarious of known octopuses. While most species are solitary, these have been seen in groups of up to 40 off the Pacific coasts of Nicaragua and Panama.
larger Pacific striped octopus stalking a shrimp

The larger Pacific striped octopus stalks a shrimp. Roy Caldwell photo.

And while male octopuses typically share sperm with females at arm’s length, ready to flee should the female get aggressive or hungry, mating pairs of this octopus when observed in captivity sometimes cohabit in the same cavity for at least a few days while mating, with little indication of escalated aggression. Mating pairs have even been observed to share meals in an unusual beak-to-beak position.

They do engage in rough sex, however. The pair grasp each other’s arms sucker-to-sucker and mate beak-to-beak, as if kissing. The females mate frequently and lay eggs over several months, whereas the females of most known octopuses die after a single brood.






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